Oh well, Lemar or Bernardeschi please.
Ivan Perisic
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Those are the two we should have been after all along with maybe Douglas Costa and Lucas Moura as fall back options.
Depends on what Mourinho wants. Perisic, Lemar, and Bernardeschi are three completely different type of players.
They are different, but Perisic is a level below the rest of them I mentioned imo.
Agreed.
Below, but Perišić's also more experienced and hardworking, which is what maybe Mourinho's targeting.
No use is being hardworking if you cant score goals.
If Lemar signs for Arsenal, he will have a similar impact to Sane. Both young, quick, proper wingers who have creativity and energy in abundance. Would be nice if we could target that kind of player and not get stuck in negotiations for a 28 year old whose career so far would suggest he's a fairly run of the mill, inconsistent winger.
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Give me examples ?
He isn't a level below costa.
We already have martial who had a bigger season than Sane did in his first season.
Perisic is a 'defensive winger'?????
Obviously you have not watched him a lot.
Whatever the criticisms against him are, Perisic is NOT a 'defensive winger'. He is as offensive as wingers come. He is a real attacking threat. In fact, defending was his weakness until he worked on it and has become very decent at tracking back.
I've watched him plenty of times and it's not like I am a lone voice that feels he is a basic workhorse winger who is being bought more for what he provides in protecting his fullback than what he does in attack, you're entitled to your view and I'll just leave it at that.
What are some of you even watching.This is the best description of Perisic I have seen in the CAF. Spot on mate!
Only disagreement I have is your description of his technical ability. I score him a 7 out of 10 but you obviously score him less. That's fine because I have observed that we all have different definitions of what 'technical' means in football. My score is based on his first touch, passing, ability to strike the ball well with both feet and his dribbling when in full flight due to his pace (rather than when in tight spaces. He is not great at dribbling in tight space situations like a Hazard, Neymar or Isco).
Here is why I think Jose wants Perisic...
Jose relies a lot on counter attacks against decent/strong teams. I doubt if he will ever change and United fans need to realize this. This is exactly what we paid for when we hired him. It is a style that has won him many trophies and earned him his revered reputation in world football.
The problem we had last season against decent/strong sides was that we soaked attacks well but we were poor in moving the ball from the back to the midfield and then the attack in deadly counter attacking fashion and then killing off oppositions by being clinical in front of goal. Basically, we lacked ballers who could keep the ball after taking it from the opposition in our half and then sending it to players who could hit hard on the counter.
Buying Lindelof will help in this regard. Lindelof is a ball playing defender. I suspect it's the same reason we are being linked to Semedo, Fabinho, Matic and Alba. I don't know which of the rumours is genuine or not but the common thing among all those players is that they can move the ball well from defence to attack.
But who do they give the ball to who can hit hard and fast? This is where I see Perisic come in. He has very impressive pace and he is good at running fast with the ball at his feet. My thinking is that Jose sees him as one of his ball carriers from the back to the front. He will track back, pick up the ball himself or get it from one of the defenders, or midfielders and run into the opposition camp.
Jose has used this method a lot at Porto, Chelsea, Inter and Madrid. He tried to use it at United last season but it just didn't work mainly because of the type of personnel available in defence and the fact that a few of our attacking players were simply off form. I think this is why he wants Perisic and if he does not get him, he will find a similar player. I get why some people don't fancy Perisic and they have a right not to fancy particular types of players but they need to understand that there is a logic to his choice. Jose seems to have a clear plan in mind. Whether or not he is the right fit for the club is a different debate.
I don´t think he´s the dribbler or athlete Sane is, but his delivery and vision are much better and he did a fair amount of defensive work last year in a 4 man midfield, so I think he´d have a different impact, but definitely be a massive upgrade over Iwobi and the other non-Sanchez wingers.
Come on mate, you don't know that for sure. At best, that's a guess. Only Jose can tell us exactly why he wants Perisic and the probable answers range from what you have speculated to pace, commitment, balance and sheer willingness to give his all on the pitch.
And if you have watched him as much as you claim, you will know that he is as attacking minded as any winger will ever get. You make it sound like he is a winger who spends most of his time defending or is more focused on defending than actually attacking. If that's what you mean, then you have either not actually watched him a lot or we simply have very different definitions of what attacking or defending means.
My guess is that you prefer wingers or players who have a lot of flair, technical abilities and dribbling skills. Those are my favourite type of players too. But let's not make it look like the idea of getting Perisic is totally dumb. I see a clear logic to it. It's not my preferred logic but it's clear and it makes sense considering how Jose likes to play.
You answer your own question here IMO, if we were going to play attacking football with the focus on creativity and invention we'd buy a winger with the attributes bolded in the line above. You buy a guy like Perisic if you want a winger who operates as a second fullback, just running up and down all match with crossing being the bulk of this so called attacking output, if Jose wants that then yes, count me as very concerned about his vision for Manchester United.
Hopefully Inter's ridiculous valuation of the guy has permanently scared us away. Considering all factors, our rumoured presented offer was more than fair. Hopefully we'll move on to slightly younger and better targets in the 'winger' department, providing there are some 
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.Let me say put it another way
I don't think we play with balance and tempo, looking to make the pitch bigger which what made OT a terrifying place to travel, and play much faster and showing why we are title challengers. All the players come inside instead of moving teams about. This is a problem when we go a goal behind, because we play with almost no tempo or using the pace and movement of our flair players, everything is pragmatic. The best sides play quicker but tactically a style of play we used to do under carlos and fergie between 2006-08. I think mourinho from the pattern of his transfer activity is going to go with more of the same we have seen from last season, instead of evolving in how we play and looking why we went wrong in the PL, lack of goals, the predictability draws, instead of killing sides off we looking to keep it 1-0. If mourinho does continue this approach I don't know how he will be a success here in terms of looking like he can win championships and molding a CL challenging team if he does not evolve the play, and that is the biggest tactical mistake he will ever achieve at this club.
So you are convinced players NEVER comment about a club during transfer negotiation?
Just spend 5 mins in the transfer thread and you will get tonnes of examples.
Griezmann went on national television and flirted with United with his 6/10 comment.
So you are convinced players NEVER comment about a club during transfer negotiation?
Just spend 5 mins in the transfer thread and you will get tonnes of examples.
Griezmann went on national television and flirted with United with his 6/10 comment.
The same Griezmann who said thousands of times this season that he'll stay at Atletico ? and that he doesn't love rainy weather and loves living in Madrid ? The guy was denying the deal all the season.
The only thing a player will say is something like : " Playing for such a club is a great opportunity but now I'm playing for my club and don't know the future ". Nothing more really.
If you think Perisic will come now and say : " I love United and Jose so much and I want to move badly there and leaving Inter fecking Milan " then you'll get disappointed.
classic response...let's make up an extreme example to prove your point! yeah mate that's exactly what I'm waiting for hahaNot knocking your preference mate, however we've had less flairy wingers at the club who fit into Sir Alex's attacking vision. Valencia is a more recent one.
It's up to you really, but the player willing to move or not is between him and the manager. He doesn't need to say it in public. Public quotes are all about being as diplomatic as possible.
And as long as you have no real proof that he's not keen on the transfer, then that will remain assumption from you tbh.
Exactly I made an assumption and expressed my opinion...I'd like Perisic to make a few noises to speed up the transfer.
You seem to want to change my opinion but I'll pass...moving on!
I don't want to change it but having a sensible discussion about your assumption.
Anyway, have a nice day.
That is true and I was never of a fan of that, I felt post Ronaldo/Tevez our play style was very lacking and I preferred Nani on the wing to Valencia, I actually became a bigger fan of Valencia when he moved to RB, those seasons with him and Young as our main wingers were not good to watch IMO.
How many pages will need to be called a saga?
He isn't going to make or break our season.
I doubt we are going to pay anything obscene for this guy. Morata is where I see us overpaying.
I doubt we are going to pay anything obscene for this guy. Morata is where I see us overpaying.
Has to be one of the worst 'sagas'. Not that it matters.
I do think that Nani and Valencia were the perfect combo. Wouldn't want too much of one type. Something like Beckham and Giggs.
I like your analysis on how we played last season but I am surprised you seem to think Jose is planning to make United a team that scores one goal and then focus on sitting on it.
Can you remember that he pointed out this weakness a few times last season? He kept complaining about how the team failed to kill off games. How then can he possibly be planning to keep things the same?
No way will he aim for sitting on one goal leads once he has the type of personnel he wants unless in tight big game situations against teams he considers to be much stronger.
It's pretty clear how things will go at United under Jose. He will build a team big on efficiency, effectiveness, pragmatism and winning. If some flair come with that, fine. If it doesn't, he won't be bothered. United fans really need to be realistic about this.
So I take that as a you would rather have Perisic than Payet?
I think Mourinho sees Perišić as a complement signing, trying to give the team an option to play differently, not so much as a definite starter.
Awful lot to be spending on a bench player then. A player who wont necessarily be improving us.
Bit weird to be spending a lot of money to complement our current attack when it rather desperately needs an upgrade, no?
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