Doesn't matter
Ivan Perisic
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What worries me more is that it seems we have no alternative lined up. Either we know we will get him for sure and for the price we're willing to pay, or it's Perisic or no one
If he knew Inter weren't dropping their price then he shouldn't have played the waiting gameOh, please explain how he wouldn't have dropped the ball since you seem to know better.
That's it now pal. I was trying to have a bit of fun to start with, but you've gone stupid with it and started acting like a right condescending prick. Now leave me alone
He's well overpriced for what he offers. He's bang average in terms of chances created per 90 minutes played. Aged 28, will have no resale value. Mata, Mkhitaryan, Rooney, Zaha, and even the cursed Januzaj all offer slightly better chances created per 90 minutes played. Andreas Pereira is equal with him. Instead, we need to buy younger players like Ousmane Dembélé, Bernardo Silva, or Thomas Lemar. Buy players who are doing well but have the potential to up a gear after a year or two playing here. If we must spend £50m then buy James Rodríguez.
We still don't get this about football and transfers: it's about who the manager believes will best fit into his plans. Ultimately, that is what counts and what matters. The best player is not necessarily the best fit.
This does not mean the manager cannot be wrong. He sure can but he has to be proven wrong and only results can do that.
Jose's transfer deals were brilliant at Chelsea. A few missed but many good hits. Players sold were sold for very good money (Mata, Schurlle, Salah, Lukaku) and it must be remembered that many of them were very good players who left because they wanted more game time. Players he bought who stayed, ended up delivering titles for them (Cesc, Costa, Matic, Pedro, Willian etc). I think Jose is one of the best when it comes to transfer dealings. He missed but he hits more and he hits well.
Costa is way too hyped.
I will take Perisic over Costa and Mahrez every day of the week. He is quick, two footed, creates chances and gets more involved in games in both offensive and defensive terms.
But football is what it is, we all have our preferences. This is why we should see how he turns out under Jose.
Good post.
The price is key for Perisic and if Bernardeschi is available, he'll be a fantastic option.
Unfortunately, most people who call him a crap or average player have never watched him play.
I thought Mikhi, Pogba, Mata, Martial and even Rashford are flair players. I also hear James may be heading to Old Trafford. And by the way, Perisic is NOT a defensive player. He is a very offensive player who has painstakingly developed what used to be one of his major weaknesses: tracking back to support his full back.
Bored with the close season, so watching a lot of European match's on BT sport, Perisic features strongly for Inter in their games last season but their best player by a mile is Icardi. I like Dembele's at Dortmund but he plays high up the pitch and maybe not the hard working wide man Jose likes.
Haha if we only ever commented with cold hard facts then this site would be very quiet.
The way I see it, Perisic hasn't pushed for a move or come out with any quotes that could help pressure Inter into accelerating the transfer.
If you disagree then great! but to answer your question...nah I don't have his number
I disagree. I think that Mou has different valutations for different targets. If Perisic cost way more then his valutation then he'll probably move for someone else either at a higher band (ex better player for a bigger fee) or at a lower band (ie someone whose less of a safe bet but who'll be cheaper to buy)
We've seen that happening with Lindelof were Keane was kept as reserve signing if things go wrong. Belotti is probably Morata's. Perisic himself might be Mou's no 2 choice too (ie for Griezmann)
Haha if we only ever commented with cold hard facts then this site would be very quiet.
The way I see it, Perisic hasn't pushed for a move or come out with any quotes that could help pressure Inter into accelerating the transfer.
If you disagree then great! but to answer your question...nah I don't have his number
Is there any player who makes quotes regarding a transfer while it's happening, saying I want to join this club ?
If he had been unwilling to move to us we wouldn't have been in for him till now. Sure Jose or Ed talked to him before and took his agreement before the club starts to bid for him.
Remember that this is his last chance to move for a big club in his career regarding his age, so can't see him anything except willing to move to us.
I really don't get this creative problem thing. Last season we had Martial, Pogba, Mikhi, Mata, Rashford and Zlatan who on their day, have loads of flair/creativity in them. I keep insisting that the problem was never flair or creativity (sure we could have done with more). Our boys simple missed too many winning chances. I am all for buying creative / flair players because they are my favourite types of players but what we need is some serious effieciency and effectiveness in that team especially when Jose Mourinho is our manager. We had too many players off form. We need them back. I want to see the Martial of two seasons ago, the Mikhi of two seasons ago, the Rashford of two seasons ago, the Pogba of two seasons ago and so on. I want those guys back. They had decent scoring and assist records and they created many chances. If those guys play with the New boys being rumoured, we WILL fight for the title next season.
Well of course there is. Plus any player worth chasing knows a few likes on instagram/twitter can send a message to the muppets!
If Perisic is desperate for this move then all I'm saying is, I don't see him doing everything he can to get it done and dusted quickly.
Mourinho reportedly identified 4 players in each of the positions he wants to strengthen. There will be alternative options, it's just we have absolutely no idea who they might be. Not sure the Perisic deal is dead yet either.
James is the alternative
Mkhi and Perisic in he same front 3These feckers have conversion rates that make Rooney look good. Tbh it's wise to never get excited about wingers Mou signs, he is blind to quality wide players.
Who was it scored important goals including the winner in the EL final?
If are ace card for getting Perisic at a reasonable price was Inter's FFP deadline then I guess this deal will either be done in the next couple of days or not at all.
Well either they shit their pants and let him leave for less than we want to pay, or they somehow get over the FFP fine or take the ban, then make us pay the 50m they originally wanted.
It's a game of chicken which suits us currently, they need the money and we can always go for a different target.
Let's get Perisic in that case
I personally wouldn't call Mata or Rashford flair players, just attackers, but they don't all play in the same side very often if ever, just a couple at a time, Rashford or Martial and Mata or Mkhi a lot of the time. Perisic is a kick and run winger that works hard on the wing like Willian and offers more protection than he does attacking threat, he's a defensive winger rather than someone like a Carrasco or Dembele whose biggest assets are going forward.
More lies about prospective transfer targets you don't like.
Perisic scores more goals than Carrasco. How does that make him less of an attacking threat?
You may not like Perisic but quit the bullshit, he's very clearly a positive attacking outlet in a team.
Perisic scored 11 last season and Carrasco scored 14, I'd think if you were going to lie about someone claiming they are lying, you'd at least get your fecking facts straight, Perisic is a workhorse winger, not a creative flair winger, that's just a fact, nothing more or less.
Oh and I guess the other player you are lying about me lying about is Matic, he's a lumbering CM who is on the decline, that's not a lie either.
I would rather go for Payet if we want to sign someone like around 28-30 years old. He might not be a natural winger but he played on the left in Euro anyway. His set pieces could be deadly on Fellaini, Pogba and Morata/Fabinho header.
I'm not too sure about Perisic. Not convinced yet. Looking at his stats of creating chance, take on and even his interception compared to Mkhy 2015/2016. Mkhy was better.
I'm not too sure about Perisic. Not convinced yet. Looking at his stats of creating chance, take on and even his interception compared to Mkhy 2015/2016. Mkhy was better.
We're living in Trump's world now. Words and facts don't mean anything and opinions are to be considered either facts or blatant lies, depending on your viewpoint.
Payet - Jesus Christ we are scraping the very bottom of the barrel!
So when you give an opion, do it bigly!
I've watched Perisic alot through the years a bit in Croatia, Germany and pretty much every game in the national team. He is a workhorse like some say, a Valencia type player that runs and runs and gives everything he has for the team. He is fast and strong but lacking in the technical part of his game. If he has a good midfield around him he can be very lethal with his runs and also open up space for other attacking players. In the national team he shines because of Modric and Rakitic and his runs create alot of dangerous situations against the opposition. If he would do well here I have no idea, only thing I know he wouldn't hang his head and sulk if the game goes against him but give everything he has every minute he's on the pitch.
Very much a Jose type of player. I think Jose can pardon someone's performance but only if their attitude/commitment isn't lacking.
In all competitions over the past two seasons, Perisic has scored 20 goals, Carrasco has scored 19. See how easy that was? Why don't you get your fecking facts straight...
Or, just be rational instead of exaggerating your opinions to silly extremes. Perisic is a "workhorse winger" (whatever the hell that is?) that is equally, if not more, productive than Carrasco. These are the facts. What you're presenting are opinions. Opinions that are lacking any sort of reason because you care more about transfer signings than the actual football that is played on the pitch.
I'll ask you again, how is Carrasco more of an attacking threat?
In my opinion Perisic makes very little sense for us and I don't believe he's even a target for us. How's that?
2nd term in the bag!
Carrasco would be a great signing. A bit underrated imo. Maybe not many have gone for him as Athleti will not be selling this year. Would much prefer him to Perisic but unfortunately it's now we need players and not next season.
Ay, this is an opinion. It's also a fair one, given without talking shite.
fecking hell, talk about desperate, adding in another season to try and make your bullshit seem less like bullshit because you ran off at the fingers attacking me for no reason other than to cause a situation.
If you don't know what a workhorse is I'd suggest you go back to wikipedia and reasearch it, clearly your entire logic is based off stats presented to you rather than an opinion gained from actually watching the player in question. The fact you ask the question in the 3rd line shows you've never watched either play more than Youtube clips, and the bolded part is quite ironic, it's because I care about the football played on the pitch that I don't want this kind of boring, kick and rush workhorse as our winger, you buy a player like Perisic because your primary concern with your wide man is how much defensive protection he provides the fullback.
If you're going to call a player a defensive winger, and imply that said player's biggest strengths are not in an attacking sense, then at least compare said player (Perisic) to another player that is irrefutably more productive going forward. You mentioned Carrasco, and the evidence suggests that isn't true.
I "attacked" you because many of your opinions in the transfer forum are dramatic, irrational and you throw your toys out of the pram if we get linked to a player you don't like all that much. Matic and Perisic being good examples.
If we buy Perisic I would envisage it's because Mourinho would like a fairly experienced winger that can stretch the play, cross a ball, score some goals and is handy with both feet. If he tracks back well, then Mourinho will also like that. Why wouldn't he?
I am not dramatic or any of the other petty names you are trying to call me, I simply give an opinion based on watching players, not on simply going along with the stream, on the other side of the coin I am very positive about Morata and Lindelof and players like Fabinho and Nainggolan that we are linked with, but of course that doesn't count, I make no apologies for giving my view strongly on a board designed for that.
As for picking a player for comparison, the fact you deem stats as the be all and end all of such a choice is why this is pointless IMO, I've actually watched the players and seen what they bring to an attack apart from stats, the method you rest everything on is the equivelant of saying Ross Barkley offers more in an attack than Iniesta because he has a few more goals and assists or that Wayne Rooney is still a valuable player as he had 10 assists last season despite anyone with eyes knowing he's finished, it's not an opinion informed on actually watching the players.
Look, you seem to have made it your personal mission to go at me simply because I am passionate in my views on what I want to see at Man United, I am not interested in a personal feud littered with jabs, that just leads to a ban.
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