I think if this was a 20m deal then people would be all over it. Obviously the 40m circa price is pretty extreme, but even average players are going for 20-30 right now.
Ivan Perisic
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I do rate perisic but still don't understand why we are buying lw when we need rw. Does mourinho see him at rw?
Well he's worth more than £20 million.
We have lingard mata and miki for the rw?
I don't disagree with what you've said far but beyond a future potential, the kid actually performs in the now, which is where I am coming from.
That's a poor selection of "wingers"
Yes he is performing well now, no doubt, but special kids like him always have their 'now' performances judged from the perspective of their potential (read 'ages'). When a kid performes well beyond his age, we tend to start saying he is better than everyone else. In reality, what we are seeing is the kid's immense potential. Dembele, is judged as special now more because he is doing stuff his age mates can only dream about. I have watched him.There are clear flaws in his game and some if his decisions can be suspect at times but who cares because he is just a kid. If he continues to develop at the rate he is, he has the potential to become one of the very best players we've seen.
Fair enough but 2 years of constantly performing well in 2 different leagues is surely more than convincing as to why some will rate him higher.
We have enough players at their best playing at RW, it's LW where we only have one, world class potential but very inconsistent young winger Martial. The rest (Mata, Mkhitaryan & Lingard) are so bad playing LW. Rashford did his best playing on the two wings but so not natural. Our attacking from the left is horrible last season, barely have any, only when Martial and Shaw are on form our attacks from the left are lethal, but that is very rare since they're inconsistent and fitness prob respectively.
RW (Mata, Mkhitaryan)
CAM (Lingard, Mata, Mkhitaryan)
LW (Martial)
Perisic joining would solve that left side problems, with Martial the second choice.
Forget this guy. We're getting Ronaldo. 
Wow Martial second choice behind Perisic? SMH.
Martial has hardly covered himself with glory this season, I expect him to be on the bench if we sign another winger. He'll have to earn that LW spot.
He had a brilliant first season, a sub par second season so we should bench him and not show any faith in him, glad your not the manager.
The only bit i agree with is he will have to earn his position as will everyone else but I'm not expecting him to be cast off straight from the get go.
Martial had a sub par year and didnt start half the games. Yet he managed 8 goals and 8 assists. Perisic is one of Inter's "best" players, starts most games and he just had his most productive year of his career at the age of 28 with 11 goals and 11 assists. Yep he should definitely start ahead of one of the best if not the best talent at the club.
This.
He actually had barely half a season in senior team in France before moving to Germany. So, I wouldn't particularly say he has had two years of professional first team senior football.
But hey, it takes nothing away from the kid. He deserves every accolade because he is pure talent and he performed really well last season. Just saying that most of the judgement on his play are within the context of his age and potential. In a way, it's like how we assess Rashford. The many flaws of his games mean little to us because we see how young he is, how much he can still improve and his tremendous potential.
Di Maria and Ozil came to Madrid as young talents, the biggest criticism for both were their initial lack of workrate. I struggle to see any resemblance between their transfers and Perisic' one.
For one, Dembele got in Bundesliga team of the season, something that Perisic failed to do having played in Germany for 4 seasons.
Secondly, the difference between their ability based on their actual careers is already significant enough to say that Perisic is an inferior player, he never showed such dribbling ability or creativity in the final third.
Not saying that Perisic is a bad player - he clearly isn't. And he looks quite decent playing for Croatia. But Dembele is already better, and it's not even close
Not even close.
Ermm, not sure goals and assists tell all the story.
In a career spanning about 18 years, Iniesta has barely scored 75 goals for Barcelona. To put it into perspective, Sergio Ramos has scored more than Iniesta (over 80 goals).
How many did Iniesta score last season? less than 5.
But how will we assess Iniesta's contributions to Barcelona despite that goalscoring record? Immense if you ask me. Even last season, despite his waning powers, his contributions to the team were significant.
Just saying that, we need a broader view. Goals and assist stats don't always tell the whole story.
Can you please give a list of Croatia's best three players?
Manduzkic, Modric and Rakitic.
My point in the Di Maria / Ozil example was that there were folks who had doubts about the sense in bringing them in back then. The resemblance is that there are those who are having doubts about Jose bringing in Perisic today.
About team of the season, it still does not change my point. All Dembele has riding for him now is his potential and one and half good seasons which, I repeat, is assessed within the context of his age.
He is not just 'decent' for Croatia, he has consistently been one of their best players.
Completely different positions. Also you are bringing Perisic to contribute more goals wise cause we lacked that last year. Iniesta is in central midfield or rather the midfield 3 and not the furthest forward. Wingers tend to score goals than CMs. Also Barca dont have a goal scoring issue. Their front 3 alone score more than a 100 goals a year. And please dont compare the effect that Iniesta has on Barca with the impact that Perisic could have on us.
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My point was: goals and assists do not always tell the story. Another clear example is Paul Pogba last season.
And to be clear, Iniesta does play in an attacking midfield role for Barcelona. You'll likely find him closer to the opponent's box than the Barcelona box.
My comparism with Iniesta had nothing to do with his effect on Barca. Just pointing out the fact that goals/assists stats do not always tell the whole story.
But again the point of bringing in a winger is for him to score more right? If its just stretching the play, any winger can do that. Bring Tosic back and save that money. But we need quality and creativity. And this bollocks about he is great at tracking back is bullshit. Every winger we have tracks back. Even Mata does and he didnt do that as often at Chelsea. Perisic just doesnt cut for me for a side like United.
1. So, for example Pep bringing Pique back means that Stones is a good buy? I fail to follow your logic
2. "Consistently one of the best players of Croatia" isn't really a great achievement - considering that they are not a football superpower with only Modric being world class from their team in the recent years (and Mandzukic/Rakitic shining sporadically).
Dismissing Dembele just because of his age (seeing as you don't doubt his performance levels, but simply crossing it out), and bigging up Perisic career in which he failed to become a key player (and even a starter in his second season) in Dortmund and spent the rest in mediocre clubs like Brugge, Wolfsburg and Inter (not historically, but performance-wise in the last few years)?
Did Perisic even had a same "one and a half good season" form like Dembele did? Nope.
Some odd arguments in here.
If Mourinho really wants Perisic, he obviously has a specific role in mind for him. He's not the sort of player we'd go for because he's too good to miss out on. So, comparing him to super talents ten years his junior and whatnot makes zero sense.
If we buy him, I imagine Mourinho intends to use him in a similar capacity to that of other “reliable but non-shiny” wide men he has used elsewhere – probably with a fairly conservative left back behind him.
If Mourinho really wants Perisic, he obviously has a specific role in mind for him. He's not the sort of player we'd go for because he's too good to miss out on. So, comparing him to super talents ten years his junior and whatnot makes zero sense.
If we buy him, I imagine Mourinho intends to use him in a similar capacity to that of other “reliable but non-shiny” wide men he has used elsewhere – probably with a fairly conservative left back behind him.
This is reminding me a lot of the Sneijder saga. Inter using us trying to desperately offload one of their highest earners. Gabrielle Marcotti does not seem to think this is on at all.
He could be to Mourinho what Fellaini was to Moyes.
Not looking forward to his signing, but think we are not very good side with our without him and my expectations for the season are lower.
Our route back to the top will take longer than most think.
Not looking forward to his signing, but think we are not very good side with our without him and my expectations for the season are lower.
Our route back to the top will take longer than most think.
Well, if he is bought, we shall see whether or not he cuts it then. Just a few more months to the start of another season. For all of our sakes, you better hope you got this one wrong.
I guess we just have to see how it all pans out. If we do buy Perisic, and he turns out as poor or average as insinuated by many, I'll be the first to admit, I got things wrong and I hope Jose will have the humility to bench him. On the other hand, if by some miracle, we end up with Dembele, I will certainly not be complaining.
You don't watch Croatia much, right?
Thank God he isn't! We have enough of those.
That's the thing, there is a difference between belittling Perisic and arguing against the ridiculous point that he is better than Dembele. He can (and hopefully will) be a useful player to us.
I'm afraid so
I disagree. On the left we have martial and rashford who have huge potential. With perisic as first choice and rash second, martial will be fecked. Rashford will play on the left all those games when our new striker is in striker position.
On the other hand we basically don't have classic right winger. We have miki and mata who are playmakers. And we have lingard who can't even beat a player.
He'd presumably get plenty of minutes as backup for said new striker as well.
You could regard Rashford as the backup all over the front (mainly left and centre, or centre and left, but also right), whereas Martial would be the 2nd choice on the left - with the premise (from my point of view as a fan) being that if he's good enough, he'll convince Mourinho and effectively turn Perisic into a sub.
There's a question here, though, if we're being brutally honest of how highly Mourinho rates Martial. Rashford, on the other hand, has no big worries from where I'm sitting. He'll get plenty of minutes, whether up front or elsewhere.
I fear that jose does not rate him much. It will be hard season for martial. Shame...
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