Fair enough. They're all quick, good dribblers, decent crossers, who will get up and down a lot and stretch the play. But Perisic's physicality is fairly unique for a winger.
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Fair enough. They're all quick, good dribblers, decent crossers, who will get up and down a lot and stretch the play. But Perisic's physicality is fairly unique for a winger.
NOTHING like Demebele, which is my only point.
Both are 2 footed, playmaking true wingers. Perisic is a bit more defensively solid and physical but our left side is already about as defensive as it gets. The fact is Dembele is already a much much better player and has the potential to make Perisic look like James Milner in comparison.
£50 million, just pay it and be done with it. Absolutely perfect for a mourinho team and a far better player than being made out.
See, an irrelevant response to my post and pretty much what I assumed you got upset about. At no point did I suggest Perisic is the player we should get. At no point did I suggest there aren't better players out there. My one and ONLY point was that I imagine Jose wants a player in his mould (for better or worse you decide) and if there was anyone else who was realistically available that offers those same sorts of qualities. A big part of Perisic's play which you can tell even from a highlight reel is his work rate. Given that a lot of people see him as pretty unimpressive other than his work rate, it stands to reason that maybe that's the specific quality which makes him desirable to Jose or is at least one of the bigger factors.
Not sure Jose has an absolute mould for his wingers. Hazard and Willian aren't exactly brutes and Ronaldo and Di Maria don't spend 90 minutes marking their fullback.
What the hell is your problem? Did I say his wingers in general? I'm saying the player he wants in this team, right now, in this instance. You really are pretty unintelligent are you? That's twice now you've offered rebuttals to points that you've IMAGINED I made. Jose didn't want Mata at Chelsea, yet he's given him plenty of minutes here. Just because he wanted a certain player for a certain team at a certain time previously doesn't mean he wants that exact same type player for his new team.
He's really not rated more than perisic in Italy. And he's the clearly worse player on the left wing. Also doesn't score as much
Cristiano never was a winger under Mou, he played wherever and however he wanted. Di Maria was very much a workhorse. As was Willian
As has been said numerous times in this thread and others, Mourinho has, for most of his career, favoured a lopsided 4-2-3-1 system with a wide forward on one side (Eto'o, Ronaldo, Hazard) combined with an overlapping fullback, and then a workhorse winger on the other side (Pandev, Di Maria, Willian - Perisic?) combined with a more conservative fullback.
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Not sure about that.
Even if he is rated highly so what? His end product is not good. He scored 11 goals in last 2 seasons, Perisic scored as many in 1 season alone.
I am choosing to listen to this man, because I know absolutely bugger all about Perisic and am sick of all the fecking moaning.
Yes, there's a precedent there. Perisic makes sense in that regard.
I guess the most obvious point to make, however, is that we don't have anything close to the levels of Eto'o, Ronaldo and Hazard to fill that role on the right.
So, either Mickey steps up drastically (or something less likely, e.g. that Rashford becomes a world beater in said role) – or we get someone in (but who?). Or – we take baby steps and don't sort out the whole thing until next summer.
The argument some would make is that we'd be better off targeting a more match winning type who can play on the right (again, who?) – and then settle for one of our current options in the work horse role on the opposite flank.
true. I never actually wanted him to be fair. I just feel that Anderson has a higher level. Plus its not all about goals in terms of ability. Hazard does not score that much but is one of the best wide players around. In the past Anderson has scored 10 league goals aswell, just for information.
Agreed. That player would almost certainly have been Griezmann. With him no longer an option, things, as you correctly point out, have become more complicated.
Do we now wait for a year (or at least till January) for Griezmann and hope that Mata/Mickey can up their goal return from the right flank in the meantime? Or do we switch to an alternative target (Bale, Sanchez and Insigne are probably the most-proven wide goalscorers, but the latter two play on the left, which further complicates things re Perisic). Yet another option might be a younger, less-proven option on the right, like Bernardeschi, who looks excellent.
It's a headache...
Some might make that argument, but that would assume that Mourinho doesn't have a plan for the opposite flank too. Or a different overall plan to what we expect.
For me the biggest requirement (and the biggest challenge) for this summer is to sign a 'difference maker' - that world class creative spark that can stretch the defending side through pace, power, trickery or all three. I don't know who that might be, but I do trust that Mourinho has someone (or a few players) in mind for that kind of role. And in the context of that them maybe Perisic makes perfect sense.
I know he scored 10 goals once, IIRC that was just a purple path where he looked like Ronaldo, before and after that spell he was just average.
I agree, goals are not be all and end all to judge players. But Anderson is nothing like Hazard and I don't know why he is rated so highly by few. Same with Costa, some purple patch when Pep was manager and then average.
We can't just blindly splash the cash and give them exactly what they want. It sets a bad precedent. If we pay £50 million for Perisic then we're gonna be milked all summer.
We'd be nuts to pay 50m euro for Perisic.
It's over valued but probably only by £10-15 million. Considering some of the other prices being thrown around this summer £50 million isn't ridiculous in my opinion. We also need to look at who might be able to fit the team as perfectly as Perisic for everything that mourinho is asking.
Hard working-check
Maintains width like a true winger with the ability to beat a man-check
Tall and strong-he's 6,1 so check
Decent output- 20 goals/assists last season, check
Natural LW (unlike the rest of our players)-check
Excited and willing to join Mourinho and the Utd project- by all reports the answer is yes.
I look at the above (and more tbh) and I think there's a player that is tailor made for one big final step up to play for a manager that clearly rates and needs his skill set. All the alternative names I've seen may be flashier or more exciting, hell even more talented than Perisic, however football has always been a team game and his signing could be fundamental for what Mourinho wants in his team. I don't think any of the alternative names mentioned are as suitable to us. For that reason alone £10 million overpaying doesn't make a huge difference. We either trust the manager or we sack him right now because there's no inbetween.
In a league where Salah and Gomez got 26 goals/assists that's not really all that impressive. Callejon was a nothing player in Spain and he's putting up better numbers than Perisic in that league as well.
Seriously, Dries Mertens is on 37 goals/assists and Dzeko is on 38.. the league is incredibly weak and Perisic isn't an exception.
On the other hand PL is so incredible strong that it is making European competitions look shit. Champions players like:
Kind - 18 goals + assists
Vardy - 30 G+A last season
Mahrez - 28 G+A
fecking Defoe at 34/35 scored 15 league goals
Deeney who can't move faster than snail - 20 G+A
Charlie Austin - 23 G+A
Napoli and Roma play very attacking game. So no wonder their attackers have more goals and assists.
Btw Callejon scored 5 goals and 3 assists in 5 CL games last season.
Mertens - 5 goals + 2 assists in CL this season, in just 6 games.
Dzeko - 8 goals in Europa league in 5 games.
So we shouldn't sign anyone from Serie A?
No, we shouldn't use the fact that Perisic scored eleven league goals as a selling point (especially in comparison to our wingers) when average players match or better those numbers in that league.
We should be judging potential attacking signings on their technical ability and Perisic comes up short on that metric.
No. He doesn't.
I remember when Jose wanted to sign Di Maria at Real Madrid. Some people went bunkers. They said he was too one dimensional, he made bad decisions on the pitch, and he would hardly ever get game time. Guess what, the signing turned out to be inspired. Angel was brilliant under Mourinho. Same was said about Ozil by some. They said he would hardly ever get game time so what was the point. Well, Ozil played and played and played.
I am pretty optimistic that Peresic will prove to be a great buy for United. The signs are obvious. He is hungry and wants to go to the next level; he has pace to burn; he is two footed; he is direct and poses an attacking threat almost all the time; he can play accross the forward line; he shoots well from distance; he tracks back; and he offers decent goals and assists.
Maybe we can point to better wingers out there but I think what matters most is what the manager wants. It seems Jose is desperate for Peresic and being a very detailed tactician, one suspects Peresic fits right into the plan he has in mind for next season. That is what really matters. What's the point in getting Douglas Costa if Jose doesn't think he's the guy for his plans?
And I have heard people say he is not better than what we have. Well I totally disagree. As far as attacking from the wings is concerned, he is better than every player we have not just because of his experience but because of his skills as a winger.
I am pretty optimistic that Peresic will prove to be a great buy for United. The signs are obvious. He is hungry and wants to go to the next level; he has pace to burn; he is two footed; he is direct and poses an attacking threat almost all the time; he can play accross the forward line; he shoots well from distance; he tracks back; and he offers decent goals and assists.
Maybe we can point to better wingers out there but I think what matters most is what the manager wants. It seems Jose is desperate for Peresic and being a very detailed tactician, one suspects Peresic fits right into the plan he has in mind for next season. That is what really matters. What's the point in getting Douglas Costa if Jose doesn't think he's the guy for his plans?
And I have heard people say he is not better than what we have. Well I totally disagree. As far as attacking from the wings is concerned, he is better than every player we have not just because of his experience but because of his skills as a winger.
Oh, come on mate. Dembele better than Perisic? On what basis?
The kid has only played two senior team seasons in his life and he is better than Perisic, a veteran of many top level football battles and arguably Croatia's best player?
I get it if we say that in terms of potential, Dembele will trump Peresic. But as at now, 2017, comparing their careers and performances, I see no basis for saying he is a far better player than Perisic. Let's see Dembele show some consistency. Let's see him bounce back from a career set back. Let's see him perform at the Euros or the World Cup. Let's see him get France out of bad spots at international contests. Let's see how he fares at Dortmund next season. Let's see how he fares if he is the pivot of his team.
Don't get me wrong, I will pay anything to buy the kid because he has incredible potential and if he continues to develop well, he looks like he will become the type of player someone like Perisic will only dream of. But let's not stretch it beyond that and let's give the Croatian some credit. He is certainly no flop. I am fully in support of buying him because it is certain he will improve our attacking play and squad depth.
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Maybe because in those two years, Dembele has done something worthy to believe he is the better player regardless of age and his experience. Were it not for a transfer link a month ago, I doubt the name of Ivan Perisic would have been on anyone's lips. The kid will give our team a massive lift on the attacking front as opposed to just doing a job. We're talking about a future balon dor(sp) winner.
I don't get the whole veteran at top football thing imho, I watched him at Wolfsburg and Dortmund and he was meh, being one of the better players in a poor Inter side that finished 7th isn't exactly the business. Ramsey was cracking at the Euros and even got to the final.
I get the whole potential thing. I get it. The kid has lots of it.
I am just saying you cannot claim the kid is better than Perisic right now just because he has had one good full season. Perisic has proven himself for his club and national team. No matter how much people try to down play that, it is a reality. And Jose is not dumb, this is what he sees and it's likely one of the main reasons he wants it despite our constant analysis that Perisic is crap.
About future Balloon d'or, the same has been said about many more gifted kids and they never won it.
Don't get me wrong, if I had the two players available, I would personally pay for Dembele purely because he looks like he has a big future and bundles of talent at such a young age. But as at this moment, right now, I do not believe he is a better player than Perisic. Different, not better. Bigger future, but not better right now. I have watched both of them. The kid has flair over Perisic. Perisic has graft and experience over him. If I compare his season at Dortmund with Martial's first season at United, I'll take Martial over him. Even Rashford wouldn't be far behind him if I take Rashford's first season.
But I guess we assess football differently, and that's fine. It's what makes the game fun.
Dembele is a RW, Perisic is a LW. Perisic fits Mou's needs (ie a hardworking/traditional type of winger), Dembele might not have those characteristics. If we buy wingers solely on talent then we would have never signed Park.
Perisic will give Utd genuine width and it will help us to stretch teams at home.
Why can't we have a poll for whether people want him or not?
It will be very interesting. I also would like a poll on how many people want Fellaini to stay after his end to the season.
It will be very interesting. I also would like a poll on how many people want Fellaini to stay after his end to the season.
my thoughts exactly. Although the resident Italians will probably have a few things to say about this. You never know though, Perisic could become a budget Bale
Nor would we have signed Ronaldo
Our attacking players last season EPL:
Ivan Perisic last season Serie A:
Total number of games played may also have significant influences to those stats mind.
http://www.goal.com/en/news/8/main/...-utd-would-add-another-dual-threat-to-the-old
Came in here to say that...I thought 55 or 50 was Inter's initial highball and expected an agreement at a more reasonable 35-40 million.
Then again, looking at the post above with the stats you can see why Jose wants him. Add that to the fact his output and contribution is achieved with a fair share of defensive duty as well its impressive. In this crazy market..maybe just pay the 50?
Di María was also a left-winger. Mourinho likes them wingers wrongfooted.
Serie A and the EPL are too different. players typically struggle so you would need to be an absolute superstar there to have a fair craic
That's not correct. The post you quoted, I have already replied to that. Some very average/poor players have scored decent number of goals in PL.
Indeed, yet they are accustomed to English football. You also cannot guess how effective they too would be in Serie A as some players who were nothing special in EPL Salah, Dzeko, Kalinic, But most importantly they know how to play in England. The game is quite different over here. Fact is, it is rare that a player that is inconsistent, average to good in Italy, then comes here and tears it up
Perisic is not a playmaking winger.
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