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I can see why Jose wants him. Valencia will provide width on the right, with the right winger moving inwards, while the LB will stay back (back 3 when we attack) and Perisic will provide the width on the left. That would give Pogba but also the other attackers more space and we attack with more variety.

No idea if he's good enough but so far, Jose's signing been top tbf
 
Just curious, has there been any reliabke links wiyh him to us? Seems to all stem from some dodgy italian publication in May.
 
It seems to me like a case of adding 2+2 and coming up with 47, probably more out of hope than reason for those who want us to play 352.

For LB we have Shaw and Blind, if we're not being linked to left backs it's probably because Jose is happy with our options there. He might be hoping Shaw kicks on.

I would say our wide options last season were a bigger problem than LB, we have no actual wingers who can give us genuine width and the ability to stretch teams. So if we are singing a left winger it's most likely to solve that problem as opposed to switching formations and moving everyone around into different positions and converting a career winger into a wing back.

I don't really mind what formation we play provided we play well and get good results.

LB though is a clear issue. People keep talking about Shaw but be realistic, his United career has been a disaster. We thought we were buying a quality player for the next decade. We have ended up with an injury prone player who, when fit, is fourth choice behind three players, none of which are actually proper LBs. That would be funny if it wasn't so sad for him.

Blind is a decent player but none of his best football has been at LB. We bought him because of his performances in CM, he ended up being a good CB. He's not the answer and nor are Rojo and Darmian. One of them was signed to be a LCB, openly gets called a 'bad left back' by our manager and the other was bought for RB, failed there, and ended up starting at LB because, even though he is deadweight when we have the ball, our manager thinks he at least knows where to stand, which is more than he thinks of Shaw.

We're in a complete mess with the position and it needs sorting.

I agree with you that our wingers were also problematic last season. However signing Perisic won't fix that. One traditional winger doesn't stretch teams, the defence just moves across. You need two (and more to cover injures/suspension/fatigue/form loss), one on each side if that is how you want to play. Are we being linked to multiple wingers? No. It's just Perisic. So the other wingers you thought were a big problem for us last season will still be starting games. Mkhitaryan don't want to stretch teams, he wants to come instead and be a playmaker. Martial and Rashford don't want to hug the touchline out wide, they want to play around the box, upfront. 'Moving everyone around into different positions' is hardly a negative when it allows players to play in positions they actually want to play in and atm a formation switch is the best way we could accomplish that.
 
I don't really mind what formation we play provided we play well and get good results.

LB though is a clear issue. People keep talking about Shaw but be realistic, his United career has been a disaster. We thought we were buying a quality player for the next decade. We have ended up with an injury prone player who, when fit, is fourth choice behind three players, none of which are actually proper LBs. That would be funny if it wasn't so sad for him.

Blind is a decent player but none of his best football has been at LB. We bought him because of his performances in CM, he ended up being a good CB. He's not the answer and nor are Rojo and Darmian. One of them was signed to be a LCB, openly gets called a 'bad left back' by our manager and the other was bought for RB, failed there, and ended up starting at LB because, even though he is deadweight when we have the ball, our manager thinks he at least knows where to stand, which is more than he thinks of Shaw.

We're in a complete mess with the position and it needs sorting.

I agree with you that our wingers were also problematic last season. However signing Perisic won't fix that. One traditional winger doesn't stretch teams, the defence just moves across. You need two (and more to cover injures/suspension/fatigue/form loss), one on each side if that is how you want to play. Are we being linked to multiple wingers? No. It's just Perisic. So the other wingers you thought were a big problem for us last season will still be starting games. Mkhitaryan don't want to stretch teams, he wants to come instead and be a playmaker. Martial and Rashford don't want to hug the touchline out wide, they want to play around the box, upfront. 'Moving everyone around into different positions' is hardly a negative when it allows players to play in positions they actually want to play in and atm a formation switch is the best way we could accomplish that.

Yeah you make some good points mate, ideally we should be buying 2 wingers but we haven't really been linked with anyone else. Perhaps Jose has a plan in mind thats different from what i think we need and how i think we should play. Maybe he doesn't see stretching teams as an issue. Who knows.

But as we've both said we aren't even being linked with fullbacks not on the left anyway. So i guess Jose thinks he has enough there, yes Shaw has failed to live up to the hype so far but lets remember how young he still is. He's what 21?
 
Another good article by Ryan Baldi -

http://bet.unibet.co.uk/football/wh...-about-signing-ivan-perisic-manchester-united

If the reports are to be believed, Manchester United manager José Mourinho has been given £200million to spend on transfers this summer as the Red Devils seek to prepare their squad for life back in the Champions League.

The club have already confirmed that Benfica’s ball-playing centre-back Victor Lindelöf is set to complete a switch to Old Trafford in a deal worth around £30m, while United are said to be closing in on the £70m capture of Real Madrid striker Álvaro Morata.

Those two additions make perfect sense for Mourinho: a confident and assured central defender to partner the firebrand Eric Bailly; and an athletic, hard-working striker to lead the line and add a clinical touch to a side which was far too wasteful last term.

One of the other names that keeps cropping up in connection with a big-money summer move to Old Trafford makes a little less sense, however.

Ivan Perišić is undoubtedly a player of very high quality. With successful spells in France, Belgium, Germany and Italy, as well as 56 caps at senior international level for Croatia, the 28-year-old’s solid pedigree is undeniable.

A versatile, hard-working and genuinely two-footed winger with an eye for goal, Perišić has an abundance of attributes that would immediately improve many sides – and United may even be one such team.

Furthermore, his physicality – he stands at 6ft 1ins – willingness to put in the hard miles and consistent offensive production means he is very much a “Mourinho player”.






But there are several reasons to believe that the Inter Milan star is not the right man for the Manchester side, at least not right now.

Firstly, there’s the reported fee. It is believed that United have, thus far, offered around €40m for the former Borussia Dortmund attacker, while Inter are holding out for a figure in the region of €50m.

There has become a bit of an obsession with transfer fees among fans recently, many of whom failing to come to terms with the reality of the ridiculously inflated market. When it comes to transfer fees at the elite end of the modern game, there are really only two factors to consider when judging the worthiness of a signing: can the club afford it? And does the player significantly improve the team? If the answer to both questions is “yes”, then you’ve got yourself a good signing, no matter how high the fee.

In respect of Perišić’s potential move to United, as one of the richest clubs in the world, the 20-time champions of England can certainly afford to sanction such a deal. But it’s the second condition under which the mooted transfer falls apart when scrutinised.

Good though Perišić certainly is – as evidenced by his 11 goals and eight assists in Serie A last term – for €50m or less United could target a host of better options.

At 28 and operating predominantly from the left flank, Perišić would find himself in direct competition for a starting berth with Anthony Martial. The 21-year-old Frenchman endured a frustrating 2016/17 campaign and the Inter star would probably represent some degree of an upgrade on the version of the former Monaco youngster we saw last season.

However, an in-form Martial, full of verve, exhilarating dribbling skills and dangerous attacking intent, is a more potent force than Perišić and if nurtured correctly could become a far better player than the Croatian.

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Granted, after a stunning debut season in England, Martial cut a frustrated and frustrating figure for the majority of the previous campaign. But he is a talent with world-class potential; Perišić would not represent enough of a qualitative upgrade to justify taking the Frenchman’s starting place and therefore jeopardising his future growth.

With the money being discussed, United could find a more suitable option and probably still have some change left over. Besides, Mourinho, if he is set on adding a more conventional wide man than anyone he currently has at his disposal, might be better served seeking an option for the opposite flank.

The left side of the attack has acted as a breeding ground for Martial and Marcus Rashford over the last 18 months, young players who see themselves as strikers but are serving a form of apprenticeship out wide, building experience and clocking valuable minutes out on the pitch.

On the right, Henrikh Mkhitaryan is the primary starter with Juan Mata often deployed there too. Both are No.10s by trade and therefore look to come inside into central zones whenever possible. Having the option of a player with real pace who could stick to the flank, while also perhaps possessing the versatility to play across the frontline, would be ideal.

For the €50m it would take to sign Perišić, any of Felipe Anderson, Douglas Costa or Federico Bernardeschi, to name a few, could be acquired – all of whom offer a touch more of the fantasy that is so prized within Old Trafford, even if Mourinho himself de-emphasises such traits.

If United do sign Perišić, he’d likely perform perfectly well, and many would point to the goals and assists return that he all but guarantees as vindication for his purchase. But beneath the surface there are potential consequences of his arrival that should not be discounted.

Perišić may very well be the archetypal Mourinho player, but that doesn’t necessarily make him right for United.
 
I don't really get that article. Its says he is the archetypal Mourinho player but might not be right for United suggesting we could better spend the money elsewhere but if he is the exact type of player Mou needs then obviously its what we need.

I mean he wouldn't be my first choice, pretty underwhelming signing on the face of it but if the manager wants specific players to do a certain job and do it in a certain way, then who am I to judge? Mourinho usually gets his transfers spot on and he needs to build his own team. We've seen what happens when he does that and it invariably leads to success.
 
Are you serious?

He's weak as piss and has never used his left foot. Cuts in to use his right.

Bit ignorant to say that Young never uses his left foot. He has a preference with his right but has used his left foot multiple times. While Young and Perisic in their day might differ in terms of quality, thats not to say that they don't play similar.
 
That article is full of errors and nonsense.

It is sad what passes for journalism these days.
I didn't think the article was that bad. The main point of it was whether or not Perisic is a cost efficient purchase, but given Martial's prowess, spending such a large fee on a potential backup winger wouldn't be ideal. The only problem I have with the article is that it assumes that they're better options out there that would cost less.
 
I didn't think the article was that bad. The main point of it was whether or not Perisic is a cost efficient purchase, but given Martial's prowess, spending such a large fee on a potential backup winger wouldn't be ideal. The only problem I have with the article is that it assumes that they're better options out there that would cost less.
The guy starts of with
Ivan Perišić is undoubtedly a player of very high quality. With successful spells in France, Belgium, Germany and Italy, as well as 56 caps at senior international level for Croatia, the 28-year-old’s solid pedigree is undeniable.
- Perisic is not a very high quality player
- His 'successful spell' in France was 2 seasons in the Sochaux B (reserve team) with the last half on loan in belgium with Roeselare
- His 'successful spell' in germany included a failed stint at Dortmund and since then he has played for mid table clubs in Wolfsburg and Inter
How does playing for Souchax reserve team, Brugge, Wolfsbur and Inter, and failing at Dortmund, become a pedigree that is undeniable - WTF?
There has become a bit of an obsession with transfer fees among fans recently, many of whom failing to come to terms with the reality of the ridiculously inflated market. When it comes to transfer fees at the elite end of the modern game, there are really only two factors to consider when judging the worthiness of a signing: can the club afford it? And does the player significantly improve the team? If the answer to both questions is “yes”, then you’ve got yourself a good signing, no matter how high the fee.
This is just arrant nonsense. By his logic, United have a budget of 200m and since we can afford it we should use it to sign Ross Barkley. The judgement of any transfer is always in the opportunity cost i.e. what is the foregone alternative.

However, an in-form Martial, full of verve, exhilarating dribbling skills and dangerous attacking intent, is a more potent force than Perišić and if nurtured correctly could become a far better player than the Croatian.
Perišić would not represent enough of a qualitative upgrade to justify taking the Frenchman’s starting place and therefore jeopardising his future growth.
If Martial can be more potent than Perisic then Perisic is obviously not a very high quality player.
For the €50m it would take to sign Perišić, any of Felipe Anderson, Douglas Costa or Federico Bernardeschi, to name a few, could be acquired – all of whom offer a touch more of the fantasy that is so prized within Old Trafford, even if Mourinho himself de-emphasises such traits.
First for someone who said the money should not be a concern since we could afford it, he starts to argue for better value elsewhere. Also, none of those players are high quality players and yet they are potentially better than Perisic and all 3 are also younger
Perišić may very well be the archetypal Mourinho player, but that doesn’t necessarily make him right for United.
There is nothing that makes Perisic an archetypal Mourinho player. He makes the claim without a single evidence in support. The idea is a myth that is on the same level of how mourinho wants to have only one attacking and one defensive fullback.

Approve of the transfer or not, the writer needed to first gather his facts, sort out his thoughts and then construct his write-up, but not post such a shoddy article
 
@bucky don't know if you remember our debate about his Wolfsburg days. Watched some of his few games these days on a fast-forward to remind me. Not a big sample but you were right. He was decent to good. Moments of pure brilliance mixed with many moments of bad decision making.

He needs to be on national (world cup/euro) performances where he is a second best player and the biggest threat to other defences. Also, Inter last season. I still believe it could work well if he signs as he thrives in the counter-attacking football and plays much better when he is surrounded with better players as it's the case with the national team. He is also usually good in big games and brings some qualities that we don't have on the wing.

But, yeah, I think your view of him about his time in Wolfsburg is more right.
 
Most of the players suggested as alternatives to Perisic are Juan Mata's size or smaller. Perisic is not Mata's size. Maybe Mourinho wants a pacey, two footed winger that is Perisic's size instead of Mata's size. Both in attack and defense, there are things a winger of Perisic's size can do that a winger of Mata's size cant.
 
Most of the players suggested as alternatives to Perisic are Juan Mata's size or smaller. Perisic is not Mata's size. Maybe Mourinho wants a pacey, two footed winger that is Perisic's size instead of Mata's size. Both in attack and defense, there are things a winger of Perisic's size can do that a winger of Mata's size cant.
Pedro is 5' 7", same as Mata, and it didnt stop Mourinho from signing him
 
Good criticism in above posts of that piece. It's not insightful nor have a consistent theme. It honestly sounds like someone trying to summarize this thread:

"50 mil is a lot but fans must remember inflation"

"He is big, strong hardworking Eastern European just like Jose likes"

"But what about Martial!? Weeps"

"Here are his stats - they say he is a great player on odd numbered days"

"There are so many other wingers on FM that United should acquire because they have more tricks and dribbling rating"

"He is not a Manchester United-type player"

Garbage.

I defer my judgement until the puzzle pieces all come together this summer. My biggest concern is how integral Griezmann was to that and how it changes the big picture.

Edit: typo
 
Might want to check your converter app mate as besides just looking obviously taller than that when he plays, stars say he's 6ft 1...

You're being sarcastic aren't you? Or are you an about Perisic? Because Pedro is 5'4 and looks it.
 
I can see why Jose wants him. Valencia will provide width on the right, with the right winger moving inwards, while the LB will stay back (back 3 when we attack) and Perisic will provide the width on the left. That would give Pogba but also the other attackers more space and we attack with more variety.

No idea if he's good enough but so far, Jose's signing been top tbf

This is such a dumb way to set up an attack, if you want to switch to a back 3 when on the attack it should come from a holding midfielder not by sacrificing the attacking potency of an entire wing.
 
Might want to check your converter app mate as besides just looking obviously taller than that when he plays, stars say he's 6ft 1...
  • Name: Pedro Rodríguez
  • Position: Forward
  • Date of birth (Age): 28/07/1987 (29)
  • Country: Spain
  • Squad number: 11
  • Club: Chelsea ( ENG)
  • Height: 167cm
  • Weight: 62kg
http://www.uefa.com/teamsandplayers/players/player=250002701/profile/index.html

PEDRO 11 Forward

  • NATIONALITY:Spain
  • DATE OF BIRTH:28.07.1987
  • HEIGHT:169cm
  • WEIGHT:65kg
http://www.chelseafc.com/teams/first-team/pedro.html
 
I agree that this article is a contradiction. It mentions Martials a superior player, but can we afford to take a gamble on which Martial turns up next season. he also states his goals and assists would be an asset and he is a typical Mourinho player, then ends with he might not be right for Utd! Its like whatever scenario happens he has stated it somewhere in the article lol
 
Might want to check your converter app mate as besides just looking obviously taller than that when he plays, stars say he's 6ft 1...


Haha did you just say Pedro is 6ft 1. :wenger:

The guy is practically a midget, surely you meant perisic.
 
This is such a dumb way to set up an attack, if you want to switch to a back 3 when on the attack it should come from a holding midfielder not by sacrificing the attacking potency of an entire wing.
Obviously not if you dont have the full back to do so, and we dont. And it would give Pogba room to roam on the left side as he did for Juve
 
Bit ignorant to say that Young never uses his left foot. He has a preference with his right but has used his left foot multiple times. While Young and Perisic in their day might differ in terms of quality, thats not to say that they don't play similar.
They are not similar.

Young rarely/never uses his left foot. You can't tell whether Perisic is left or right footed.
 
Lots of people are crying for big familiar names. But it seems our scouting under Mou is now pretty good. We did unearthed gems like Bailly, and are now buying Lindelof, whom not long ago most people never heard of, never played in big leagues, nor won big sliverwares. Yet everyone seems happy. It does look as if we are doing a longer and more detail scouting compare to what we used to under Moyes and LVG. Lots of players, like those of Leicester City a few years back, were not houshold names, didn't have great stats, yet some had turned into great players. Players' ability, performance and form are dynamic, not static like in games. If Mou ends up buying him, I'm pretty confident he will come good. Enough of using Martial or Rashford out wide and cutting inside. We need a proper winger and width. So far, our scouting and recruiting under Mou had been spot on, and Perisic, if not spectacular, seems a very good traditional winger. No worry for me.
 
Lots of people are crying for big familiar names. But it seems our scouting under Mou is now pretty good. We did unearthed gems like Bailly, and are now buying Lindelof, whom not long ago most people never heard of, never played in big leagues, nor won big sliverwares. Yet everyone seems happy. It does look as if we are doing a longer and more detail scouting compare to what we used to under Moyes and LVG. Lots of players, like those of Leicester City a few years back, were not houshold names, didn't have great stats, yet some had turned into great players. Players' ability, performance and form are dynamic, not static like in games. If Mou ends up buying him, I'm pretty confident he will come good. Enough of using Martial or Rashford out wide and cutting inside. We need a proper winger and width. So far, our scouting and recruiting under Mou had been spot on, and Perisic, if not spectacular, seems a very good traditional winger. No worry for me.
Unfortunately, this does not apply to Perisic.

Bailly and Lindelof are young players who hadless than 2 seasons of first team football in a top european league. Mkhi is the closest in age to Perisic and he wasnt some unknown player.

Perisic on the other hand is already 28 and has spent the past 7 seasons at Dortmund, Wolfsburg and Inter. He has played in both CL and EL. There has been enough opportunity for top teams to see him in action so there is nothing to unearth. For context, De Bruyne was in the same Wolfsburg team and sold in the same summer.

Also, apart from Kante, none of the Leicester player can be said to be a great player imo.
 
I like Ivan Perisic to a certain degree, he has always stood out in the championships and seems to give his all every single game. However, you cannot deny the fact that he has seldom been brilliant at club level - he has a lot of runs and efforts, but what I generally remember from him is that he often challenges the full back and gets a lot of corners. He can dribble and go past players, but he lacks that touch and technique compared to the more exciting players.

Would I have him in the squad? Certainly, but never at 40-50M. He is 28 and pretty much a poor man's Arjen Robben. Furthermore, he is a guy that thrives on space, corridors and runs.... he is not getting that at Man Utd. Would he have helped out a lot at home to Burnley, Stoke, WBA and all those other games United drew at home last season? Not if Martial couldn't do it. He could be decent against the top teams due to his work ethics in defense and space on counters, but Martial is again a better attacking player for sure.

Last but not least; is he a player any of the other top clubs would buy? Mourinho's task is to get United back to the level next to or just behind Bayern München, PSG, Juventus et al the next two seasons. None of these clubs would buy Perisic - so why should United?? One month ago, without any rumors, I could have seen Everton or Newcastle making a bid for him, and I would have thought "that's a great signing for them". But this is United.
 
I like Ivan Perisic to a certain degree, he has always stood out in the championships and seems to give his all every single game. However, you cannot deny the fact that he has seldom been brilliant at club level - he has a lot of runs and efforts, but what I generally remember from him is that he often challenges the full back and gets a lot of corners. He can dribble and go past players, but he lacks that touch and technique compared to the more exciting players.

Would I have him in the squad? Certainly, but never at 40-50M. He is 28 and pretty much a poor man's Arjen Robben. Furthermore, he is a guy that thrives on space, corridors and runs.... he is not getting that at Man Utd. Would he have helped out a lot at home to Burnley, Stoke, WBA and all those other games United drew at home last season? Not if Martial couldn't do it. He could be decent against the top teams due to his work ethics in defense and space on counters, but Martial is again a better attacking player for sure.

Last but not least; is he a player any of the other top clubs would buy? Mourinho's task is to get United back to the level next to or just behind Bayern München, PSG, Juventus et al the next two seasons. None of these clubs would buy Perisic - so why should United?? One month ago, without any rumors, I could have seen Everton or Newcastle making a bid for him, and I would have thought "that's a great signing for them". But this is United.

Aren't PSG sniffing around Perisic at the moment too? I've certainly read their name being linked to them, though I do not know how concrete that is.
 
I don't really mind what formation we play provided we play well and get good results.

LB though is a clear issue. People keep talking about Shaw but be realistic, his United career has been a disaster. We thought we were buying a quality player for the next decade. We have ended up with an injury prone player who, when fit, is fourth choice behind three players, none of which are actually proper LBs. That would be funny if it wasn't so sad for him.

Blind is a decent player but none of his best football has been at LB. We bought him because of his performances in CM, he ended up being a good CB. He's not the answer and nor are Rojo and Darmian. One of them was signed to be a LCB, openly gets called a 'bad left back' by our manager and the other was bought for RB, failed there, and ended up starting at LB because, even though he is deadweight when we have the ball, our manager thinks he at least knows where to stand, which is more than he thinks of Shaw.

We're in a complete mess with the position and it needs sorting.

I agree with you that our wingers were also problematic last season. However signing Perisic won't fix that. One traditional winger doesn't stretch teams, the defence just moves across. You need two (and more to cover injures/suspension/fatigue/form loss), one on each side if that is how you want to play. Are we being linked to multiple wingers? No. It's just Perisic. So the other wingers you thought were a big problem for us last season will still be starting games. Mkhitaryan don't want to stretch teams, he wants to come instead and be a playmaker. Martial and Rashford don't want to hug the touchline out wide, they want to play around the box, upfront. 'Moving everyone around into different positions' is hardly a negative when it allows players to play in positions they actually want to play in and atm a formation switch is the best way we could accomplish that.
Valencia stretches the defence at the other end. It's the left side that, as you aptly put, is a mess. That's what Perisic is meant to fix which 99% of the transfer junky preferred options don't.
 
I didn't think the article was that bad. The main point of it was whether or not Perisic is a cost efficient purchase, but given Martial's prowess, spending such a large fee on a potential backup winger wouldn't be ideal. The only problem I have with the article is that it assumes that they're better options out there that would cost less.
It's worse than that. He can't come up with any options so starts listing options for the other wing.

It's like saying we have a problem at LB but maybe we should give Shaw the benefit of the doubt and sign Kyle Walker instead :wenger:
 
Valencia stretches the defence at the other end. It's the left side that, as you aptly put, is a mess. That's what Perisic is meant to fix which 99% of the transfer junky preferred options don't.

Valencia is a full back. Most of the time he goes forward he is being tracked and defended against by the opposition winger.

If you want to stretch the opposition defence then you need multiple wingers who stay wide and get crosses in. This is how we played in the 90s with Sharpe, Giggs, Blomqvist, Kanchelskis, Beckham, Poborsky etc. Perisic on his own will not allow us to play this way. It's like signing one very quick player to play in a squad of slow players and then saying 'now we are a counter attacking team'.
 
Thats good. Hopefully we get our heads straight and look elsewhere rather than spend 50m on him.
 
I am not negative towards buying Perisic, but if our valuation is so far of Inter then we should say no and go for other targets. Our reported offer is very fair imo.
 
I am not negative towards buying Perisic, but if our valuation is so far of Inter then we should say no and go for other targets. Our reported offer is very fair imo.
Our reported offer is already double of what we should be paying for a bang average player.
 
Could be a blessing in disguise. If we end up paying 50 million for him, the pressure on him will be Fellaini-esque.
 
50m is too much, but I'd be happy with Perišić. Experienced, could teach Martial a thing or two, wouldn't stop his development/future at United for several years as a younger one would, one of Croatia's best in the Euros, shedloads of goals in qualifiers, 21 goals and 18 assists for his clubs in the last two seasons...
 
Good. Now maybe we may start seeing him as the player he really is. Seriously, not getting him won't affect us that much. Is never worth the hassle. If we could have got this done quickly and smoothly, on terms we were happy with, then fine. Playing ridiculous amounts just does not make sense here.
 
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