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Are you kidding me? Nobody in world football would ever get a free pass for two seasons. Why should Moyes get it?Two seasons. That's what he should get.
Are you kidding me? Nobody in world football would ever get a free pass for two seasons. Why should Moyes get it?Two seasons. That's what he should get.
One of the most painful things about all this is that Glaston was right.I think that's a perspective a lot of people shared who weren't biased or trying to only see the positives from his appointment.
The opposite fans predicted it, to be fair.
My heart said that we would win the title, but my head thought that we'll finish below City and possibly below Chelsea. I never would have thought that things will go this bad, although I don't rate Moyes much more than Hodgson or Redknapp.
I'm still with this: "I'd also like to remind you that when we had bad times here, the club stood by me, all my staff stood by me, the players stood by me. Your job now is to stand by our new manager."
Most of my posts were just genuine disbelief. I couldn't believe we'd done it to be honest. From the appointment thread:I think that's a perspective a lot of people shared who weren't biased or trying to only see the positives from his appointment.
David Moyes is manager of Manchester United. David. Moyes. Ok.
Needs the chance to build his own team, which for me gives him at least another season after this. So many spoilt cnuts wanting instant success (I'm sure half the posters in this thread are scousers) ..... welcome to what supporting your team is really about.
Well we don't have the players to play like he wants, for one.Are you kidding me? Nobody in world football would ever get a free pass for two seasons. Why should Moyes get it?
They know he is a rookie at a club like this, they should have been pulling out all the stops to make the changeover easier for him. Instead some of them have gone to pieces, sorry but they should have more guts and heart than this. Why are players never taken to task about their performances. The manager picked them, it is up to them to deliver on the pitch.I think it is more likely that the players have seen a man out of his depth from day one. A manager is a leader and when your leader looks like he doesn't know what he is doing then confidence erodes down the chain, as a result performance suffer. To instill confidence and get maximum performance from his players is the fundamental remit for a manager in any sport.
The buck stops with the manager.
That interview was just another example of Moyes not knowing when to keep his mouth shut.Moyes wanted Fellaini and Baines, just look at his interview. He admitted (and said that he doesn't regret) that we deliberately let the clause of Fellaini to expire because he wanted a double signing (both him and Baines). After Everton refused to sell Baines, on the last few hours we tried to sign Coentrao.
He also said that we made a 23m offer for Herrera but we weren't going to use his clause (which was 30.5m pounds) because it was too expensive. That's only 3m more than what we paid for Fellaini, and Herrera is infinitely better than him. I don't know if he is so bad with Maths or he genuinely believed that Fellaini is really a great player. Or just wanted someone familiar there.
He fecked up badly on the transfer window, but the biggest responsibility is IMO to the club for letting him (and the rookie CEO) to do whatever they want. We should have done what every big club does, pick for him his assistant and give him the list of targets. Definitely not let him dismantle the coaching staff for mediocre coaches. SAF did the work of the manager, the scouts, the CEO and many other works but not everyone is capable of doing so. Especially Moyes who is zero proven.
The Glazers would surely take action if it means a significant loss of revenue.
Then he needs to figure out the best way to get the most out of the players he has. It's called managing.Well we don't have the players to play like he wants, for one.
I'm fine with that but are the players stood by Moyes? Doesn't seem it to me. And Glazers I assume would take action if it hurt their pockets.
Don't want Moyes out yet but somethings gone really wrong somewhere
Most of those we're promising youngsters, and only idiots made half of those statements. Moyes is a 50 year old who's been in the premier league for a long time and has never won a trophy in his career. If Ole got the job you could say this, after all he was successful with our reserves and won 3 trophies in 3 years at Molde. Moyes shouldn't need to have 3 seasons to take a team that won 5 of the last 7 titles, and were a point away from winning the other 2 as well, and have them play well. What has happened this season has been nothing short of a disaster on his part. Of course it was always going to be hard, but when people said that, we meant a few years like arsenals transition years, not that he would turn us into Everton.Fletcher was never going to succeed
Evans was never going to succeed
Giggs should've retired in 2003.
Hernandez should've been sold after his second season.
Evra was never going to succeed.
Ronaldo was a one-trick pony who dived too much and would never achieve anything.
De Gea was never going to succeed.
Phil Jones can't play in midfield.
Carrick will never be good enough for our midfield.
People don't understand progression given patience.
He went for Fellaini... as a fit for Manchester United. That is a terrible omen by itself.We'll judging by the targets he went for and didn't get this summer he definitely deserves funds.
I don't agree with this really. Players are just like anyone else - you can't help it if you believe in someone's ability, it's not a choice. You don't think "yes, I am going to believe in this guy", you either do or you don't. It's subconscious.The players are professionals, they have to stand by the manager. If they're not buying into what Moyes is trying to do, the problem lies with them.
I'll judge him at the end of the season. We've had FA cups horrors with SAF before, its a pity because Moyes has done well in cup competitions this season.
Sorry but it doesn't work that way. You don't hire a shepherd who needs to be taught to herd by the sheep. Hiring what you perceive as a 'rookie' is an even more bizarre notion when you consider the scale of the job facing Moyes.They know he is a rookie at a club like this, they should have been pulling out all the stops to make the changeover easier for him. Instead some of them have gone to pieces, sorry but they should have more guts and heart than this. Why are players never taken to task about their performances. The manager picked them, it is up to them to deliver on the pitch.
I was completely shocked that we brought him, I remember arguing with my brother before we appointed him that he would be a disaster, then I managed to convince myself of the completele opposite.Most of my posts were just genuine disbelief. I couldn't believe we'd done it to be honest. From the appointment thread:
Now is the time to sack him. The January window has just opened and we could do without letting him spend any more money before the inevitable happens and someone else takes over.
Get a caretaker in until the summer if it comes to it and take it from there.
Most of my posts were just genuine disbelief. I couldn't believe we'd done it to be honest. From the appointment thread:
Moyes and O'Neill....I feel ill whenever I hear them mentioned as the next manager. I've talked to a lot of people who would love either of them, although especially Moyes to take over.
I can't fathom it.
I don't agree with this really. Players are just like anyone else - you can't help it if you believe in someone's ability, it's not a choice. You don't think "yes, I am going to believe in this guy", you either do or you don't. It's subconscious.
You have to hope the club has more objectivity than that. When something isn't going to work out, it's almost always better to make the change as soon as possible.After all the sentimental fuss the club have made about how we have "stability" here and the way we "give managers time" and all that, he's going absolutely nowhere for a few years. The club would look incredibly stupid after this stance for the so called "good of the game" they've taken to sack him after 6 months of a 6 year deal. Fergie would look stupid. It's not happening.
That's what worries me, how does he want to play?Well we don't have the players to play like he wants, for one.
You have to hope the club has more objectivity than that. When something isn't going to work out, it's almost always better to make the change as soon as possible.
What are you harping on about? I simply pointed out we have had fa cup cock ups before. I'm fully aware why Moyes is under pressure. I however think he deserves at least to be judged on a full season. Some of the comments about him have been pathetic.Are you for real?
The FA Cup is so irrelevant to everything right now. You must be the only person on the planet who thinks the discontentment is all because we didn't make it through to to face Birmingham, Bristol or Crawley.
Nothing wrong with doing that, he's just proving pretty much everyone here right unfortunately.I was completely shocked that we brought him, I remember arguing with my brother before we appointed him that he would be a disaster, then I managed to convince myself of the completely opposite.
A good manager couldn't win the Champions League with this lot.What if he wins the Champions League.
Apocalypse.What if he wins the Champions League.