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You're making way too much of her line on The View.

She was put on the spot and in campaign politics, it is normally the death nail to throw your boss under the bus. Maybe she should have created separation (and not just on Gaza, but on other Biden mistakes over his term) but she was never going to do that. After all, he backed her.

Regardless of what her thoughts are / were, there was no way she was ever going to do that. Im sure she would have had 30 advisers telling her exactly what to say and what not to say - maybe one of her issues.

And to suggest that just because she didn't throw him under the bus, it must mean her presidency would be exactly like Bidens is also quite daft.

Plus, during the time of the campaign, the Biden administration were trying to broker a ceasefire. She would be dumb to say or do anything that could have jeopardized that.

She echoed her thoughts on the conflict at every opportunity...
https://www.reuters.com/world/harris-says-wont-give-up-pushing-end-israel-gaza-war-2024-10-19/

So, if as you say, you believe in what people say", why would you not believe Harris when she said she wanted the "Palestinian people to realize their right to dignity, security, freedom and self-determination"
As per her DNC speech..
https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/23/politics/gaza-israel-harris-convention-speech/index.html

Or working towards a Two state solution?
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politi...e-solution-end-of-israel-hamas-war-is-crucial

Fact is, Harris didn't get the job. Trump did and he wants the US to "own Gaza". He wants US troops to move Palestinians out of their home, bulldoze it, build luxury homes (which i'm sure he will benefit financially from) and likely hand it to Israel.

Harris, as she said, and according to you, you like to "believe in what people say" said she wanted a two state solution and self-determination for the Palestinians.

You keep rolling with Trump mate.

What part of this was she lying about, and what would be material to the outcome in Palestine?
- Continue weapons supplies during a genocide
- Continue a failed ceasefire negotiation strategy which yielded no results for 14 months
- Continue a decades-long failed process towards a half-state with no rights (the mythical "two-state solution")

Why hasn't she explained - even for purely cynical reasons - after her defeat, what miracle she would have brought about? Can you explain why the same strategy would have yielded a different outcome when she executed it instead of Biden? Can you explain what incentive Bibi had to end the slaughter when there was continuing support from the US government and Israeli people? Can you explain why she sent the most pro-Israeli representative, Ritchie Torres to Michigan? Can you explain why she sent Bill Clinton to assert Israel's Biblical legitimacy to the Holy Land when campaigning in Michigan? Can you explain why she refused to allow a Palestinian supporter of hers at the DNC? Do you think these are the actions of a woman who thinks pro-Palestinian votes matter?

Trump seems about ready to eliminate my job. Almost certainly he will affect my life directly more than yours. I'm able to see past myself though. You should try it. It's a pretty fundamental part of being human.
 
Are you flooding the thread with this to distract from the fact that your boy Trump did exactly what people said he would. And exactly what Bibi wanted.

Trump said...

“I don’t think people should be going back to Gaza. I think Gaza has been very unlucky for them.” "Gaza is not a place for people to be living.”

Yet also said that new homes will be built. For who exactly?

And you spent the last year saying that Trump was just the same as Biden / Harris :lol:

Such a liar.
 
Are you flooding the thread with this to distract from the fact that your boy Trump did exactly what people said he would. And exactly what Bibi wanted.

Trump said...

“I don’t think people should be going back to Gaza. I think Gaza has been very unlucky for them.” "Gaza is not a place for people to be living.”

Yet also said that new homes will be built. For who exactly?

And you spent the last year saying that Trump was just the same as Biden / Harris :lol:
Blaming the (non)voters for what Trump has done would've been funny if this wasn't about genocide.
You can't even fathom that many people don't want to choose between genocide and ethnic cleansing.
This kind of thought is exactly why Dems will lose another election. You keep peddling the idea of "not as bad as the other guy", and you'll lose again.
 
Blaming the (non)voters for what Trump has done would've been funny if this wasn't about genocide.
You can't even fathom that many people don't want to choose between genocide and ethnic cleansing.
This kind of thought is exactly why Dems will lose another election. You keep peddling the idea of "not as bad as the other guy", and you'll lose again.
Thanks to Trump voters and non voters there might not be any more elections.
 
If the blaming of those who opposed Biden and Harris for Trump's re-election, is your path towards supporting and advocating on behalf of the Palestinian people, is your path towards finally saying enough with this holcaust being livestremed in real time, then you'll have no push back from me. You can blame me for Trump getting elected, call me Trump's no.1 fan and mock the anti-Harris people everytime you call for Palestinian emancipation. So long as you recognise and truthfully speak to the horrors that are playing out before the world's eyes, then you can preface your advocacy with whatever you like, with whatever vitriol you can muster for me and people like me.

Support Palestine because you hate Trump and oppose every inch of his being and actions, support Palestine to spite those who spoke against Harris and Biden, support Palestine to demonstrate how wrong those people were, support Palestine because it is the only moral stance but actually support Palestine.
 
You think he cares? Bibi and the likes of Ben Gvir just want what Palestinians are left as far away from them as possible.

It will unsettle region even further.
It's pretty much forced population transfer and ethnic cleansing which is completely illegal in the eyes of almost every state in the world, this sort of plan is so batsh!t (up there with making Canada an American state, seizing Greenland etc..)that even the European and other western states that have been staunchly behind the US and isareli actions will not openly support. Even for shameless states like Saudi Arabia this would be a step too far and have already put out a statement rebuking it. If Trump wants to try and force Jordan and Egypt into accepting it, it will most likely push them into Chinese and Russian hands. Which imo won't be a bad thing, like I said the less influence the US has there the better.
 
At this point I’m pretty sure he just says this obscenely outlandish shit every day to distract from the obscenely outlandish shit he said the previous day. Or at least I hope.
 
Yes, you comfort yourself by telling yourself that.
And you comfort yourself by telling yourself that the "I pander to everyone, therefore I side with no one and stand for nothing" would've been any better for the Palestinians.

Trump is a racist piece of shit sponsored by even bigger racist pieces of shit with certified fascist tendencies. Anyone voting for him and hoping that things would get better is an idiot, but seeing "Democratic" supporters still trying to pile on minority voters who have absolutely zero influence on a US presidential election outcome tells me everything I need to know. On this particular matter, same pieces, clothes and all that.

Harris was the same disease that was about to hit Palestine as Trump, the only difference was that it would kill at a slower rate, in line with the long lasting the US "democratic" policy in the region. The high horse you think you're rightfully riding on has been whacked by US 2,000 pounds bombs, a long time ago.
 
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I’m not clued up on the knowledge on the area as others but can someone explain Hamas’s motives behind their attack and kidnappings? It just seems to have given Israel the excuse to carry out their ethnic cleansing of the area and destroy Gaza.
 
And you comfort yourself by telling yourself that the "I pander to everyone, therefore I side with no one and stand for nothing" would've been any better for the Palestinians.

Trump is a racist piece of shit sponsored by even bigger racist pieces of shit with pronounced fascist tendencies. Anyone voting for him and hoping that things would get better is a certified idiot, but seeing "Democratic" partisans still trying to pile on a minority voters who have absolutely zero influence on a US presidential election outcome tells me everything I need to know.
It's mindboggling because if all the arab population in the US voted for Harris, she still would've lost. And according to people in the elections and Trump threads who mostly stopped posting here a month after October 2023, Gaza was irrelevant anyway.

If they did care and needed someone to vent their frustrations at or blame, people who had very little to do with Trump ascending to power either now or in 2016 wouldn't be in their top 100 concerns. And yes, people in power like Biden and Harris and countless politicians in both parties going back decades are among those who deserve blame before them.
 
I’m not clued up on the knowledge on the area as others but can someone explain Hamas’s motives behind their attack and kidnappings? It just seems to have given Israel the excuse to carry out their ethnic cleansing of the area and destroy Gaza.
A general hatred for Israel and Jews, for a variety of reasons modern and historical, but strategically they very much wanted to stop the normalisation of relations between Israel and the Arab world, especially Saudi.

I would say they have succeeded but I have no idea if they consider the price worth it.
 
I’m not clued up on the knowledge on the area as others but can someone explain Hamas’s motives behind their attack and kidnappings? It just seems to have given Israel the excuse to carry out their ethnic cleansing of the area and destroy Gaza.

:lol:

Sorry, that last part was funny. As if they needed an excuse
 
Blaming the (non)voters for what Trump has done would've been funny if this wasn't about genocide.
You can't even fathom that many people don't want to choose between genocide and ethnic cleansing.
This kind of thought is exactly why Dems will lose another election. You keep peddling the idea of "not as bad as the other guy", and you'll lose again.
Absolutely, they offered nothing except the other guy is a lot worse. American liberals need to understand that they need to win votes through actions otherwise they will continue to lose elections.

On this matter particularly, what did Harris actually do to win over pro Palestine voters? She did nothing to suggest there would have been any change from Bidens policy on the matter, banned any pro Palestine voices at her conventions and she (and the party in general) showed disdain towards pro Palestine protestors (remember those Dems walking out of their event laughing in the faces of protestors?).

But it's OK, they can just sit back and make themselves feel better about their failures by pointing fingers at others and saying 'I told you so'.
 
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I’m not clued up on the knowledge on the area as others but can someone explain Hamas’s motives behind their attack and kidnappings? It just seems to have given Israel the excuse to carry out their ethnic cleansing of the area and destroy Gaza.
It's a by product of decades of occupation and siege, eventually those being occupied will lash out, it's also to put a spanner in the normalisation process but imo this is secondary .

And it's not like Israel need an excuse, they tend to go in and 'mow the lawn' every now and then.

As for the hostages, this is a strategic move (as you can see a powerful bargaining chip and enables them to get some of their own hostages back form Israel).

Whether they regret it, only they can answer. Imo attacking civilians did nothing to help their cause and it never has.
 
I’m not clued up on the knowledge on the area as others but can someone explain Hamas’s motives behind their attack and kidnappings? It just seems to have given Israel the excuse to carry out their ethnic cleansing of the area and destroy Gaza.

Personally I think they just reached breaking point and tried to make the world at large notice their plight and force an outcome that would improve the lives of Palestinians. I honestly think they seriously misjudged everything from the timing of the attack to the response from it from a truly sick and twisted Israeli leader that was not only banking on an attack to carry out long term goals and plans but also to help divert attention from his own problems but ultimately keeping him in power.

The brutality of the HAMAS attacks and the timing given the upcoming court case against Netenyahu but also the timing of it coinciding with the music festival and the initial reports of events at the festival all played a part in how it's all played out. Even now with the evidence provided many still refuse to believe so much of what happened on that day or since then. It's beyond insanity how much has been manipulated and falsely reported or despite masses of evidence how many still refuse to accept the mountain of war crimes committed against the Palestinian people.

Hamas have achieved in bringing the plight of the Palestinian people to be understood by millions around the world, but they also scored a few own goals by misjudging the response they and the Palestinian people would face from Israel but also how other countries would react and how toothless their objections would be and how little they would or could change anything.
 
whether it's Trump or Biden at the helm, the goal has always been to rid Palestinians from that region

you can point score all you like about who is worse, but they're both trying to do the same shit
 
whether it's Trump or Biden at the helm, the goal has always been to rid Palestinians from that region

you can point score all you like about who is worse, but they're both trying to do the same shit

Yup it's pathetic that people are trying to disassociate their side from this. This has always been the Israeli plan vocalised or not and the US has always been onboard.

The constant moving of goalposts is something. The amount of different denials since this began just for us to end up in the position of ethnic cleansing we all knew would happen.
 
whether it's Trump or Biden at the helm, the goal has always been to rid Palestinians from that region

you can point score all you like about who is worse, but they're both trying to do the same shit
It doesn’t make people who voted for Trump hoping the situation of Palestine improves any less stupid and any less co belligerent of the upcoming atrocities
 
It's mindboggling because if all the arab population in the US voted for Harris, she still would've lost. And according to people in the elections and Trump threads who mostly stopped posting here a month after October 2023, Gaza was irrelevant anyway.

If they did care and needed someone to vent their frustrations at or blame, people who had very little to do with Trump ascending to power either now or in 2016 wouldn't be in their top 100 concerns. And yes, people in power like Biden and Harris and countless politicians in both parties going back decades are among those who deserve blame before them.
It doesn't matter. They are as relevant as these people want them to be. Not remotely significant in a victory but prime targets in case of a loss. We all know the drill.

Arabs have never been high in the pecking order in the US, and the West by extension. Racist jokes and misrepresentations in every media form were hardly commented on, let alone pushed back against. You'd be hard pressed to find any kind of positive representation of Arabs in any shape or form. 9/11 and the subsequent Iraq invasion, as well as the following terrorist attacks on European soil dramatically worsened the overall perception, and the witch hunt is currently going stronger than ever. That's why 50 displaced Palestinian refugees burning in their tents warrants... well nothing, whilst three Ukrainians dying in a Russian bombardment (rightly) sees the West up in arms.

They do not. Some people just can't deal with the fact that their own country overwhelmingly chose an orange, disgraced fascist who blames minorities for all the evil happening in the US. They in turn blame minorities for... Trump and all the evil happening in the US.
 
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It doesn’t make people who voted for Trump hoping the situation of Palestine improves any less stupid and any less co belligerent of the upcoming atrocities

sure, if that matters to anyone

for me it’s basically meaningless in the context of this decades long genocide
 
It doesn’t make people who voted for Trump hoping the situation of Palestine improves any less stupid and any less co belligerent of the upcoming atrocities
They're desperate.
If your families and friends got carpet bombed on a daily basis for 14 months, I'd give them leeway for being irrational.
 
So in the last few hours France, Australia, Saudi Arabia and the UK have all come out in support of the Palestinians right to their own land. That's gotta piss Trump off.
 
Until Trump actually does something about it, the idea that the U.S. will take over Gaza is about as meaningful as when Biden et al claim they support a two-state solution.
 
They're desperate.
If your families and friends got carpet bombed on a daily basis for 14 months, I'd give them leeway for being irrational.
I have no doubt they're desperate and my opinion or leeway means nothing, it's just that I'd personally feel quite terrible if I was naive enough to have voted for increased bombing of my friends and family and to see the land I care about razed by the guy I supported. There've been many desperate people in the history of humankind, some of them counterintuitively backed their oppressors, some of them didn't.
 
I have no doubt they're desperate and my opinion or leeway means nothing, it's just that I'd personally feel quite terrible if I was naive enough to have voted for increased bombing of my friends and family and to see the land I care about razed by the guy I supported. There've been many desperate people in the history of humankind, some of them counterintuitively backed their oppressors, some of them didn't.

That question is completely irrelevant in grand scheme of things, unless you are about "I told you so" points.
 
From what I recall the BBC coverage last night didn't mention once that the US is hosting someone who has an ICC arrest warrant out for them. It's gone beyond negligent reporting.

You would sure see top story headlines if Putin visited another country.
 
What part of this was she lying about, and what would be material to the outcome in Palestine?
- Continue weapons supplies during a genocide
- Continue a failed ceasefire negotiation strategy which yielded no results for 14 months
- Continue a decades-long failed process towards a half-state with no rights (the mythical "two-state solution")

We know what Harris thought about Bibi.

Her refusal to attend his address to congress says it all...
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...la-harris-biden-trump-support-gaza-rcna162992

I would much rather Harris have worked towards a ceasefire, hostage return and a two stare solution than what Trump is proposing now.

I would much rather have had Harris continue to support USAID's work in helping the people of Gaza than Trump/Musk shutting the organization down.

Why hasn't she explained - even for purely cynical reasons - after her defeat, what miracle she would have brought about? Can you explain why the same strategy would have yielded a different outcome when she executed it instead of Biden? Can you explain what incentive Bibi had to end the slaughter when there was continuing support from the US government and Israeli people? Can you explain why she sent the most pro-Israeli representative, Ritchie Torres to Michigan? Can you explain why she sent Bill Clinton to assert Israel's Biblical legitimacy to the Holy Land when campaigning in Michigan? Can you explain why she refused to allow a Palestinian supporter of hers at the DNC? Do you think these are the actions of a woman who thinks pro-Palestinian votes matter?

What weird word are you living in? What losing candidate, within 2 weeks of her opponent taking office, comes out to talk about what she would have done in office?

She sent Ritchie Torres to speak with Jewish voters in MI. What is your problem with that? Was she not allowed to reach out to Jewish people in MI because of the fact MI also has a large Arab population?

The people of Deerboor felt "vindicated". They got who they wanted in office....
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/10/dearborn-vote-kamala-harris-trump-00188618

Trump seems about ready to eliminate my job. Almost certainly he will affect my life directly more than yours. I'm able to see past myself though. You should try it. It's a pretty fundamental part of being human.

Im sorry that you may lose your job.

Not to say you did, but a lot of people who voted for him will also be affected by his action in the next few years. As will those who didnt.
 

Israel Is "Doing Evil Just As Great As What the Nazis Did"​




“I can imagine that some Israelis who are today in support of what their country is doing in Gaza or in the West Bank, even some of them might in 10 years wake up and say, ‘Why did I justify that?’”

Wallace Shawn on the Katie Halper.
 

Israel Is "Doing Evil Just As Great As What the Nazis Did"​




Wallace Shawn on the Katie Halper.


Agree.

I have always struggled with this. A race that was persecuted and in their millions exterminated by a fascist dictator, subjecting that same pain onto another group of people.

Don't Jews / Israelis see the parallels?
 
We know what Harris thought about Bibi.

Her refusal to attend his address to congress says it all...
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...la-harris-biden-trump-support-gaza-rcna162992

I would much rather Harris have worked towards a ceasefire, hostage return and a two stare solution than what Trump is proposing now.

I would much rather have had Harris continue to support USAID's work in helping the people of Gaza than Trump/Musk shutting the organization down.



What weird word are you living in? What losing candidate, within 2 weeks of her opponent taking office, comes out to talk about what she would have done in office?

She sent Ritchie Torres to speak with Jewish voters in MI. What is your problem with that? Was she not allowed to reach out to Jewish people in MI because of the fact MI also has a large Arab population?

The people of Deerboor felt "vindicated". They got who they wanted in office....
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/10/dearborn-vote-kamala-harris-trump-00188618



Im sorry that you may lose your job.

Not to say you did, but a lot of people who voted for him will also be affected by his action in the next few years. As will those who didnt.

Once again - the Biden/Harris strategy FAILED. Of course, the pertinent question is if the ceasefire strategy failed or it was a sham, given that every lay person, even my relative who watches only Morning Joe, could see that Bibi was stringing them along for his personal benefit. We had dozens of resignations from within State and other departments saying how the administration was lying about its own role, about its own compliance with US law, and about the Israeli role in the conflict and in negotiations.
60000+ people died with American weapons supplied by the Biden administration. (The numbers Trump cites for his ethnic cleansing seem to suggest that upto 400000 people might be dead btw).

And I'm sorry - among the many actions and inactions related to Palestine during her brief campaign, refusing to meet with Bibi once pales in comparison to explicitly backing the failed negotiation strategy, and arms shipments, and very explicitly and clearly opposing ANY leverage she might have used during negotiations as president. I notice you didn't mention any of these in your reply. I'm applying Occam's Razor here - something that has failed before will fail again. And there's no logic or evidence that there was going to be a change in strategy or that it was going to produce different results.

In the same way, negotiations for a "two-state solution" have been going on since before I was born. Israel benefits from the status quo, Israel benefits from a complete cleansing, but Israel loses if there is any increase in Palestinian autonomy. Why would Israel negotiate away the gains they have made over seven decades, if no US administration since George HW Bush has been willing to use its leverage over them? Quite simply, they won't! And haven't!
Now, I'm going to suggest a possible second reason why Biden and Harris would talk about the two state solution. The highest foreign policy priority of the Biden administration was Israel-Saudi normalisation. This has been confirmed in dozens of reports about Brett McGurk and Jake Sullivan, who ran Israel policy from the White House. The Saudis have made it clear that it is publicly humiliating for them to make a deal with Israel if Palestine continues to not exist. I am going to be bold and suggest that the two-state solution rhetoric is lip service from an administration that aided Palestinian genocide and prioritised Saudi normalisation.

I see that you haven't defended her use of "it's Judea and Samaria" Bill, or the lack of a Palestinian speaker at the DNC. About Ritchie - if you send a murderous bigot like him, you might alienate the community he's bigoted against. A very basic and important part of politics is managing and prioritising bits of your coalition that might be in conflict with each other. She made a clear choice with her actions including sending Ritchie to the one state where everyone knew Arab voters had a decisive proportion.

Please look at how Trump built his odious, winning, coalition. He went to the Libertarian Party conference, got booed, asked for their vote. He went to RFK Jr, looked weak and desparate, made him promises, asked for his backing, and it likely proved decisive, given the margins involved and his polling support. He went to Dearborn, found the highest-level sucker who would fall for his schtick, and had a mayor and an imam at his rally. He went to his old friend Adelson, made some dark promise, and got a hundred million dollars from her. He humiliated and debased himself, he lied and he spoke vague half-truths, and he won. That is politics. Kamala spoke her lies and half-truths in an even less convincing way, she and her party prefer to humiliate rather than court third-party voters. Going out to your voters - all potential voters - and telling them what they want to hear.


Finally, sure, I magically obtained US citizenship and voted for the guy who was promising to fire and/or deport me because I thought his genocide would be better than the existing genocide.

I'll leave you with these - DNC delegates hearing the names of dead Palestinians, and the most prominent national Democrat this week:
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Feb 2 2025: House Dem leader Hakeem Jeffries: “Sinwar is gone. Sinwar is gone. And Hamas is on the run... and Iran is at one of its weakest points in decades. “We can't take our foot off the gas pedal until Iran is brought to its knees — for the good of the world.“


ps - that candidate lost 3 months ago, during which thousands of Palestinians died. Any moment since was a good moment to speak about the genocide she is complicit in. She has chosen not to.
 
Agree.

I have always struggled with this. A race that was persecuted and in their millions exterminated by a fascist dictator, subjecting that same pain onto another group of people.

Don't Jews / Israelis see the parallels?
Some do and have asked the "are we the baddies?" question or hinted at Nazi comparisons.

For example:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeshayahu_Leibowitz
 
Once again - the Biden/Harris strategy FAILED. Of course, the pertinent question is if the ceasefire strategy failed or it was a sham, given that every lay person, even my relative who watches only Morning Joe, could see that Bibi was stringing them along for his personal benefit. We had dozens of resignations from within State and other departments saying how the administration was lying about its own role, about its own compliance with US law, and about the Israeli role in the conflict and in negotiations.
60000+ people died with American weapons supplied by the Biden administration. (The numbers Trump cites for his ethnic cleansing seem to suggest that upto 400000 people might be dead btw).

And I'm sorry - among the many actions and inactions related to Palestine during her brief campaign, refusing to meet with Bibi once pales in comparison to explicitly backing the failed negotiation strategy, and arms shipments, and very explicitly and clearly opposing ANY leverage she might have used during negotiations as president. I notice you didn't mention any of these in your reply. I'm applying Occam's Razor here - something that has failed before will fail again. And there's no logic or evidence that there was going to be a change in strategy or that it was going to produce different results.

In the same way, negotiations for a "two-state solution" have been going on since before I was born. Israel benefits from the status quo, Israel benefits from a complete cleansing, but Israel loses if there is any increase in Palestinian autonomy. Why would Israel negotiate away the gains they have made over seven decades, if no US administration since George HW Bush has been willing to use its leverage over them? Quite simply, they won't! And haven't!
Now, I'm going to suggest a possible second reason why Biden and Harris would talk about the two state solution. The highest foreign policy priority of the Biden administration was Israel-Saudi normalisation. This has been confirmed in dozens of reports about Brett McGurk and Jake Sullivan, who ran Israel policy from the White House. The Saudis have made it clear that it is publicly humiliating for them to make a deal with Israel if Palestine continues to not exist. I am going to be bold and suggest that the two-state solution rhetoric is lip service from an administration that aided Palestinian genocide and prioritised Saudi normalisation.

I see that you haven't defended her use of "it's Judea and Samaria" Bill, or the lack of a Palestinian speaker at the DNC. About Ritchie - if you send a murderous bigot like him, you might alienate the community he's bigoted against. A very basic and important part of politics is managing and prioritising bits of your coalition that might be in conflict with each other. She made a clear choice with her actions including sending Ritchie to the one state where everyone knew Arab voters had a decisive proportion.

Please look at how Trump built his odious, winning, coalition. He went to the Libertarian Party conference, got booed, asked for their vote. He went to RFK Jr, looked weak and desparate, made him promises, asked for his backing, and it likely proved decisive, given the margins involved and his polling support. He went to Dearborn, found the highest-level sucker who would fall for his schtick, and had a mayor and an imam at his rally. He went to his old friend Adelson, made some dark promise, and got a hundred million dollars from her. He humiliated and debased himself, he lied and he spoke vague half-truths, and he won. That is politics. Kamala spoke her lies and half-truths in an even less convincing way, she and her party prefer to humiliate rather than court third-party voters. Going out to your voters - all potential voters - and telling them what they want to hear.


Finally, sure, I magically obtained US citizenship and voted for the guy who was promising to fire and/or deport me because I thought his genocide would be better than the existing genocide.

I'll leave you with these - DNC delegates hearing the names of dead Palestinians, and the most prominent national Democrat this week:
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Feb 2 2025: House Dem leader Hakeem Jeffries: “Sinwar is gone. Sinwar is gone. And Hamas is on the run... and Iran is at one of its weakest points in decades. “We can't take our foot off the gas pedal until Iran is brought to its knees — for the good of the world.“


ps - that candidate lost 3 months ago, during which thousands of Palestinians died. Any moment since was a good moment to speak about the genocide she is complicit in. She has chosen not to.

Trump is openly touting the US illegally occupying Gaza along with ethnic cleansing, and you want to waste your time talking about Harris.
 
Trump is openly touting the US illegally occupying Gaza along with ethnic cleansing, and you want to waste your time talking about Harris.
But how was the Biden administration different in practicality? They didn't have the same crazy rhetoric like Trump but they gave Israel a blank cheque. They even continued Trump's 1st term policy of recognizing Golan Height as Israeli territory.
 
You even got Chuck Schumer attacking the ICC for "anti-Israel bias" and putting out arrest warrants for Israeli leaders.

On the topic of Israel/Palestine the Democrats have been just as extremely pro-Israel.