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[berbatrick]

You're making way too much of her line on The View.

She was put on the spot and in campaign politics, it is normally the death nail to throw your boss under the bus. Maybe she should have created separation (and not just on Gaza, but on other Biden mistakes over his term) but she was never going to do that. After all, he backed her.

Regardless of what her thoughts are / were, there was no way she was ever going to do that. Im sure she would have had 30 advisers telling her exactly what to say and what not to say - maybe one of her issues.

And to suggest that just because she didn't throw him under the bus, it must mean her presidency would be exactly like Bidens is also quite daft.

Plus, during the time of the campaign, the Biden administration were trying to broker a ceasefire. She would be dumb to say or do anything that could have jeopardized that.

She echoed her thoughts on the conflict at every opportunity...
https://www.reuters.com/world/harris-says-wont-give-up-pushing-end-israel-gaza-war-2024-10-19/

So, if as you say, you believe in what people say", why would you not believe Harris when she said she wanted the "Palestinian people to realize their right to dignity, security, freedom and self-determination"
As per her DNC speech..
https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/23/politics/gaza-israel-harris-convention-speech/index.html

Or working towards a Two state solution?
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politi...e-solution-end-of-israel-hamas-war-is-crucial

Fact is, Harris didn't get the job. Trump did and he wants the US to "own Gaza". He wants US troops to move Palestinians out of their home, bulldoze it, build luxury homes (which i'm sure he will benefit financially from) and likely hand it to Israel.

Harris, as she said, and according to you, you like to "believe in what people say" said she wanted a two state solution and self-determination for the Palestinians.

You keep rolling with Trump mate.

What part of this was she lying about, and what would be material to the outcome in Palestine?
- Continue weapons supplies during a genocide
- Continue a failed ceasefire negotiation strategy which yielded no results for 14 months
- Continue a decades-long failed process towards a half-state with no rights (the mythical "two-state solution")

Why hasn't she explained - even for purely cynical reasons - after her defeat, what miracle she would have brought about? Can you explain why the same strategy would have yielded a different outcome when she executed it instead of Biden? Can you explain what incentive Bibi had to end the slaughter when there was continuing support from the US government and Israeli people? Can you explain why she sent the most pro-Israeli representative, Ritchie Torres to Michigan? Can you explain why she sent Bill Clinton to assert Israel's Biblical legitimacy to the Holy Land when campaigning in Michigan? Can you explain why she refused to allow a Palestinian supporter of hers at the DNC? Do you think these are the actions of a woman who thinks pro-Palestinian votes matter?

Trump seems about ready to eliminate my job. Almost certainly he will affect my life directly more than yours. I'm able to see past myself though. You should try it. It's a pretty fundamental part of being human.

 

[NotThatSoph]

Are you flooding the thread with this to distract from the fact that your boy Trump did exactly what people said he would. And exactly what Bibi wanted.

Trump said...

“I don’t think people should be going back to Gaza. I think Gaza has been very unlucky for them.” "Gaza is not a place for people to be living.”

Yet also said that new homes will be built. For who exactly?

And you spent the last year saying that Trump was just the same as Biden / Harris

Such a liar.

 

[reelworld]

Are you flooding the thread with this to distract from the fact that your boy Trump did exactly what people said he would. And exactly what Bibi wanted.

Trump said...

“I don’t think people should be going back to Gaza. I think Gaza has been very unlucky for them.” "Gaza is not a place for people to be living.”

Yet also said that new homes will be built. For who exactly?

And you spent the last year saying that Trump was just the same as Biden / Harris

Blaming the (non)voters for what Trump has done would've been funny if this wasn't about genocide.
You can't even fathom that many people don't want to choose between genocide and ethnic cleansing.
This kind of thought is exactly why Dems will lose another election. You keep peddling the idea of "not as bad as the other guy", and you'll lose again.

 

[utdalltheway]

Blaming the (non)voters for what Trump has done would've been funny if this wasn't about genocide.
You can't even fathom that many people don't want to choose between genocide and ethnic cleansing.
This kind of thought is exactly why Dems will lose another election. You keep peddling the idea of "not as bad as the other guy", and you'll lose again.

Thanks to Trump voters and non voters there might not be any more elections.

 

[dumbo]

If the blaming of those who opposed Biden and Harris for Trump's re-election, is your path towards supporting and advocating on behalf of the Palestinian people, is your path towards finally saying enough with this holcaust being livestremed in real time, then you'll have no push back from me. You can blame me for Trump getting elected, call me Trump's no.1 fan and mock the anti-Harris people everytime you call for Palestinian emancipation. So long as you recognise and truthfully speak to the horrors that are playing out before the world's eyes, then you can preface your advocacy with whatever you like, with whatever vitriol you can muster for me and people like me.

Support Palestine because you hate Trump and oppose every inch of his being and actions, support Palestine to spite those who spoke against Harris and Biden, support Palestine to demonstrate how wrong those people were, support Palestine because it is the only moral stance but actually support Palestine.

 

[utdalltheway]

You knew. We knew. Everyone knew. But some were so feckin blind they couldn't see it. They're the eejits.