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The statement adopted following the meeting commits states to:
1. Uphold the arrest warrants issued against Israeli officials by the International Criminal Court;
2. Prevent provision or transfer of arms, munitions and related equipment to Israel, where there is a clear risk that they might be used to violate international law; and
3. Prevent the docking of vessels at any of their ports where there is a risk of the vessel being used to carry military fuel and weaponry to Israel.

Try as it might the West wasn't able to kill Palestine, even as it slit the throat of it's own rules based order.
 


The statement adopted following the meeting commits states to:
1. Uphold the arrest warrants issued against Israeli officials by the International Criminal Court;
2. Prevent provision or transfer of arms, munitions and related equipment to Israel, where there is a clear risk that they might be used to violate international law; and
3. Prevent the docking of vessels at any of their ports where there is a risk of the vessel being used to carry military fuel and weaponry to Israel.

Try as it might the West wasn't able to kill Palestine, even as it slit the throat of it's own rules based order.


It's not backed up by any power though, soft, financial or militarily.

Belize, Bolivia, Colombia, Cuba, Honduras, Malaysia, Namibia, Senegal and South Africa explored collective action at both national and international levels to further the cause of Palestinian liberation.
 
Zakaria Zubeidi was released by the Israelis a few days ago. He was one of the most famous militants held in Israeli prisons, I remember watching regular news footage of him from Jenin during the second intifada where he would give reporters tours of the refugee camp. He has gone back and forth between a pro-peace/pro-militant position over the years, and most recently was in the news as one of six prisoners who escaped the Gilboa Prison in 2021. He’s had an interesting life to say the least. Some footage of him during the second intifada below:











This last one is from 2008 when he had apparently embraced non-violence and was promoting the famous Freedom Theatre in Jenin:

 
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Whilst there have undoubtedly been civilian hostages held in Gaza there have also been a lot of IDF soldiers captured and western media keeps referring to these prisoners as hostages. They were responsible for enforcing the siege of Gaza so are prisoners of war not hostages, the reporting has been really inaccurate in these instances. Whilst every Palestinian hostage is described as a prisoner and often not reporting that many are children and a lot held without any conviction/charge .
 
It will be illegal to say the word Palestine in a few years, at least in the US. And yes, that would have been the case if Harris had won as well.
 
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Are you flooding the thread with this to distract from the fact that your boy Trump did exactly what people said he would. And exactly what Bibi wanted.

Trump said...

“I don’t think people should be going back to Gaza. I think Gaza has been very unlucky for them.” "Gaza is not a place for people to be living.”

Yet also said that new homes will be built. For who exactly?

And you spent the last year saying that Trump was just the same as Biden / Harris :lol:
 
Anybody who has ever tried to defend Israeli intentions with Palestine, or tries to speak about Israels right to self defence, needs to give their head a wobble. This is genocide.
 
It's funny to hear "injured" when talking about militarily inflicted stats because it makes me think oh out for two weeks with a tight hammy and not oh these are children paralysed, disfigured, missing limbs permanently damaged who will have to carry that suffering throughout their lives.

If there is any fraction of moral duty left in this world - and I have to hope there is -, then it would be to protect and support these people for as long as they need it.
 
Are you flooding the thread with this to distract from the fact that your boy Trump did exactly what people said he would. And exactly what Bibi wanted.

Trump said...

“I don’t think people should be going back to Gaza. I think Gaza has been very unlucky for them.” "Gaza is not a place for people to be living.”

Yet also said that new homes will be built. For who exactly?

And you spent the last year saying that Trump was just the same as Biden / Harris
:lol:
 
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It was genocide Joe's actions which enabled this in the first place. Trump is just outward while Democrats were sneakily going along with the genocide and ethnic cleansing at the same time claiming they cared for Palestinians.

Trump's plan (like a lot of them) is a pipe dream. The amount of instability it would cause in Egypt and Jordan will end these regimes which are already hanging on by threads.
 
Remember the opening days when people were being called hysterical for accusing Israel of intentionally striking hospitals?
The sad thing it has become so normalised that people don't even care anymore. The amount of evil done by Israel and the US in that strip is unforgivable, don't ever want to hear about human rights from these hypocrites again.
 
Yes, you comfort yourself by telling yourself that.

People were told well ahead of the election which choice was worse.
Anyone that supports Palestine and either didn't take the opportunity to vote for Harris or voted Trump should really be looking at their choices now across the board, cos they got this one very wrong.
 
All under the 'the can't be worse than Trump ' compassionate Biden. It was the Democrats that enabled the levelling of Gaza making it uninhabitable, Trump is just carrying on that policy.
Guess what party has a lot more people in it that didn't support the actions by Bibi and still dont? Hint: its not the Trump National Front.
 
Guess what party has a lot more people in it that didn't support the actions by Bibi and still dont? Hint: its not the Trump National Front.
What a load of good that did for the people of Gaza.
 
This conflict will never end while the US remains the hegemon in the world, to be a genuine mediator you need to listen to both sides and treat both parties equally. There are plenty in the world hoping for that day to come and the way Trump is behaving it will happen sooner rather than later.

This war has really hurt the US reputation more than it thinks.
 
It was genocide Joe's actions which enabled this in the first place. Trump is just outward while Democrats were sneakily going along with the genocide and ethnic cleansing at the same time claiming they cared for Palestinians.

Trump's plan (like a lot of them) is a pipe dream. The amount of instability it would cause in Egypt and Jordan will end these regimes which are already hanging on by threads.

You think he cares? Bibi and the likes of Ben Gvir just want what Palestinians are left as far away from them as possible.

It will unsettle region even further.
 
It's quite amazing to watch. Biden sponsored a successful genocide for over a year. Money, bombs, diplomacy, you name it. Tens of thousands dead, complete regions leveled, an entire generation physically and mentally damaged.

Trump says a few words completely in line with the policy of the last year and in some people's minds this is already enough to prove he's worse than biden.

He may well be in the coming months, but they can't even wait.

American liberals don't really care about actions and consequences, it's all about optics. Poor biden sponsored genocide with his hands tied, trump will probably sponsor genocide while saying horrible things. I'm sure for the palestinians on the ground the difference is huge.
 
Again. What did she sign?

You are taking this and somehow making a moral equivalency between this and what Trump is saying he is about to do in "owning Gaza".

As you well know, she was running a campaign. There was never a world in which she would say would say her bosses actions were incorrect.

Fact is, she didn't win, so we don't know what her stance would have been pro Gaza. The residents of Dearborn, MI got what they wanted - a Trump presidency.

But do we think she would have stood next to Bibi for over an hour and announced that the US would "own Gaza" and make in into the "Riviera of the Middle East" and that the Palestinians would never return there because it had been "an unlucky place for them".

Posting here because this is more about her than him.

I will come back to your 3rd line later.

In fact I think what she supported is morally far worse than what Trump has so far done, and equal to what he promises to do. Let's not forget that the Biden admin floated this exact plan - displacement to Egypt and other neigbours - and we got similar denials from those neighbours at that time too. Will Trump be more presuasive? Possibly. As I said, I believe in Trump's ability to do worse crimes to the Palestinian people than the Biden/Harris administration did.

Now, about the Biden -> Harris switch:
I believe in judging people by what they say and do, not by what I cannot know (their internal thoughts). She said she supported every thing the Biden admin did. She was specifically asked about Gaza multiple times, and explicitly opposed any of the steps (like a weapons freeze) that would signal a change in policy. In fact she explicitly supported a continuation of weapons supplied. We know what the Biden "tireless negotiations" with no leverage brought - nothing. We know from reporting within Israel that it is Trump's new envoy who strong-armed Bibi into this deal.
Now, you have said that she was constrained by her position as sitting VP. I personally feel that politeness and workplace awkwardness is not a good excuse for backing a genocide, but leaving that aside...
She lost in the first week of November. It is now the first week of February. She has had ample time, to reflect candidly on her time as a VP and a defeated candidate. She has even seen polling showing that 2020 Biden voters who didn't vote for her, were most turned-off by the admin's Palestine policy. Through all this time, and all this data, she has not indicated a single iota of difference - not something she should have urged as VP, and not something she would have done as president.
As I said, I believe in what people say and do. With her words, her actions, and her choice of surrogates and aides, I think it is clear what she would have done as president.
 
Posting here because this is more about her than him.

I will come back to your 3rd line later.

In fact I think what she supported is morally far worse than what Trump has so far done, and equal to what he promises to do. Let's not forget that the Biden admin floated this exact plan - displacement to Egypt and other neigbours - and we got similar denials from those neighbours at that time too. Will Trump be more presuasive? Possibly. As I said, I believe in Trump's ability to do worse crimes to the Palestinian people than the Biden/Harris administration did.

Now, about the Biden -> Harris switch:
I believe in judging people by what they say and do, not by what I cannot know (their internal thoughts). She said she supported every thing the Biden admin did. She was specifically asked about Gaza multiple times, and explicitly opposed any of the steps (like a weapons freeze) that would signal a change in policy. In fact she explicitly supported a continuation of weapons supplied. We know what the Biden "tireless negotiations" with no leverage brought - nothing. We know from reporting within Israel that it is Trump's new envoy who strong-armed Bibi into this deal.
Now, you have said that she was constrained by her position as sitting VP. I personally feel that politeness and workplace awkwardness is not a good excuse for backing a genocide, but leaving that aside...
She lost in the first week of November. It is now the first week of February. She has had ample time, to reflect candidly on her time as a VP and a defeated candidate. She has even seen polling showing that 2020 Biden voters who didn't vote for her, were most turned-off by the admin's Palestine policy. Through all this time, and all this data, she has not indicated a single iota of difference - not something she should have urged as VP, and not something she would have done as president.
As I said, I believe in what people say and do. With her words, her actions, and her choice of surrogates and aides, I think it is clear what she would have done as president.

You're making way too much of her line on The View.

She was put on the spot and in campaign politics, it is normally the death nail to throw your boss under the bus. Maybe she should have created separation (and not just on Gaza, but on other Biden mistakes over his term) but she was never going to do that. After all, he backed her.

Regardless of what her thoughts are / were, there was no way she was ever going to do that. Im sure she would have had 30 advisers telling her exactly what to say and what not to say - maybe one of her issues.

And to suggest that just because she didn't throw him under the bus, it must mean her presidency would be exactly like Bidens is also quite daft.

Plus, during the time of the campaign, the Biden administration were trying to broker a ceasefire. She would be dumb to say or do anything that could have jeopardized that.

She echoed her thoughts on the conflict at every opportunity...
https://www.reuters.com/world/harris-says-wont-give-up-pushing-end-israel-gaza-war-2024-10-19/

So, if as you say, you believe in what people say", why would you not believe Harris when she said she wanted the "Palestinian people to realize their right to dignity, security, freedom and self-determination"
As per her DNC speech..
https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/23/politics/gaza-israel-harris-convention-speech/index.html

Or working towards a Two state solution?
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politi...e-solution-end-of-israel-hamas-war-is-crucial

Fact is, Harris didn't get the job. Trump did and he wants the US to "own Gaza". He wants US troops to move Palestinians out of their home, bulldoze it, build luxury homes (which i'm sure he will benefit financially from) and likely hand it to Israel.

Harris, as she said, and according to you, you like to "believe in what people say" said she wanted a two state solution and self-determination for the Palestinians.

You keep rolling with Trump mate.
 
Blaming Biden-Harris critics and genocide opposers for Trump and...the continuing genocide and planned ethnic cleansing. :lol: Americans are too funny.