I have a good buddy who was at the game and he said that a group of Maccabi fans were actively looking for a fight. Bumping intentionally into people, being loud and abnoxious on the metro.
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I have a good buddy who was at the game and he said that a group of Maccabi fans were actively looking for a fight. Bumping intentionally into people, being loud and abnoxious on the metro.
For anyone who defended The Guardian earlier in the thread.
My prediction is that people voted for change. Simple as that.
Very few are happy with their circumstances at any one time and always believe it could be improved by forces out of their control - a new government.
That’s why they will vote for change again in 2028
Very few are happy with their circumstances at any one time and always believe it could be improved by forces out of their control - a new government.
That’s why they will vote for change again in 2028
What has been apparent in the last 13 months is that most of these organizations are just a front for Israel to launder their propaganda.
Ireland has passed a non-binding motion which asserts, unequivocally that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza. This is welcomed (by me personally). Ireland is also to join South Africa's prosecution of the genocide case at the ICJ.
Also, https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...des-page/00000193-0749-d3a2-a3d7-4f491b760000.
So the silence is starting to break. I am keeping a mental list of all nations which are officially stating ethnic cleaning/genocide: the ones which do not will be viewed, 100%, by history as anomalies and their own children/grand-children will be ashamed of their silence. Just as this is true for some nations which, for political expediency, did not call out South African apartheid when it was clearly obvious.
I don't like Maccabi Tel Aviv and despite its fans, some of whom are known racists who didn't want Israel-arab players in their team. And I actually find it funny that they got their arses handed to then.
However, their actions - tearing down a flag, singing vile songs - in Amsterdam are no excuse for this kind of violence.
We really don't want to normalize this.
However, their actions - tearing down a flag, singing vile songs - in Amsterdam are no excuse for this kind of violence.
We really don't want to normalize this.
I disagree, if a group is singing pro genocide songs, it's great they get their asses kicked. The only language israel knows is violence.
If it was actually the fans getting targeted, somewhat understandable.
But it wasn't, and that's the problem.
Lots of videos out there of groups of people going around screaming "WHERE ARE YOU FROM" to random people and then beating them up.
One guy literally shouts, "I'm not Jewish" before getting battered.
But it wasn't, and that's the problem.
Lots of videos out there of groups of people going around screaming "WHERE ARE YOU FROM" to random people and then beating them up.
One guy literally shouts, "I'm not Jewish" before getting battered.
Is Starmer gonna give a National address about the brave football hooligans?
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I’m sure innocent people got caught up in this, but this kind of thing happens around football games all over Europe constantly. The use of the word pogrom in news reporting is wild considering Maccabi fans are known racists.
There’s probably people in this forum who have been targeted by groups of ultras on European aways. The political element adds something to it, but that’s really uncommon with ultra violence anyway.
There’s probably people in this forum who have been targeted by groups of ultras on European aways. The political element adds something to it, but that’s really uncommon with ultra violence anyway.
And it's the fault of the Macabbi fans for starting the violence, which then spiralled out of control.
Their behaviour was a disgrace and they are the root cause of what happened in Amsterdam.
As usual Israeli playing the victim card.
Their fan behaviour and the resulting events are in many ways a microcosmic representation of Israel itself.
Provoking locals with malevolent intent, not being reprimanded for it (see the Dutch police's apathy to them ripping flags out of homes and making genocidal chants), and when other folks have enough and hit back at them, they immediately play the victim, cry foul murder and anti-semitism and predictably overreact (Netanyahu sending war planes to evacuate these hooligans). And of course the mainstream media coverage cynically depicts their side of the events and starts the clock at the time of them being retaliated against (just as with October 7th).
When I was younger, I used to think something like the holocauset couldn't happen again. I was wrong.
Exactly, it’s a complete and utter disgrace. These are literal racist football hooligans who went out of their way to antagonise.
Violence begets violence and the Macabbi fans have no one to blame but themselves.
These hooligans deserved everything that came their way. They can feck off back to their Apartheid state and stay there.
Sick and tired of these entitled, racist little shits who cry foul when one finally has enough of their nonsense and punches them in the face. Enough is enough.
Ban all Israeli teams from any sport competition, something that should've happened a long time ago, until their country comes back to its senses. We did it for Russia.
The Dutch police's behavior was a disgrace and the orwellian western media coverage sickening, but not surprising.
It's absolutely mad that they are still a part of UEFA. My only concern for our draw was to not get an Israeli side. They have to be completely boycotted.
the double standards in this thread are amazing. At least the true colours have come out for the umpteenth time.Agreed. Some of Israel's apologists here have really shown their true colours.
Yip the same as many pro Palestinian supporters in this thread over the last 12 hours.
Do one.
Wake up.
Love a bit of karma. Of course I feel bad for anyone innocent caught up in mindless violence. I don’t think at this point there any many “innocent” Maccbbi fans. They are one of the most openly racist clubs in the world and you know your pals are going to be at this shite in country’s where people can actually fight back. Shocking that UEFA are against racism but this travelling freak show is totally cool with them.
In an ideal world you don't rush to violence because of provocations. I hope we can agree to that.
Feel free to name and shame or make something resembling a backed up point instead of drive-by posts every couple of weeks.
I think the point the poster is trying to make is as follows:
Did all the fans who were being racist cnuts deserve to get their heads kicked in? Yeah.
Does that excuse the lunatics going around questioning people where they are from and then battering them if they don't answer? No.
The problem I think people have is that the latter problem is being brushed aside. Yes, did the Israeli fans provoke it? Yeah. That doesn't justify mobs going around battering random people.
Did all the fans who were being racist cnuts deserve to get their heads kicked in? Yeah.
Does that excuse the lunatics going around questioning people where they are from and then battering them if they don't answer? No.
The problem I think people have is that the latter problem is being brushed aside. Yes, did the Israeli fans provoke it? Yeah. That doesn't justify mobs going around battering random people.
Israel has some of the most racist football fanbases in the world, Beitar Jerusalem and Maccabi Tel Aviv being a few examples.
The Maccaiba Tel Aviv fans screaming genocidal chants and tearing up Palestinian flags were bound flare things up, especially in the current context. Their gall and sheer arrogance as if they were in conquered land were astonishing, they wanted a fight, and the Dutch Police did next to nothing.
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I fully agree with the points you're making but nah, it doesn't apply to this guy.
He's notorious for his blanket statements, lobbing a grenade once in while and then disappear. He's openly riling people up, a tactic regularly used by others like him before they got banned.
Don't think anyone is justifying the actions of morons who go around committing targeted attacks on people regardless of who's culpable (just like no one here is justifying Hamas' actions), but yet again the issue is missing the contextual backdrop to how all this started. These Maccabi fans were clearly galivanting around Amsterdam with malicious intent, provoking, vandalising, and chanting genocidal slogans. Some of them essentially FAFO, and predictably the narrative has centred on the Israeli perspective, namely them being victims of anti-semitic, targeted abuse. Its painfully predictable.
Yeah, maybe its part of a larger orchestrated narrative to win back sympathy while they keep murdering babies.
I'm kind of at a point sometime where - like with gangs or the mob - as long as they target each other and both share blame in provocations/violence ensuing to just let em duke it out. That's what all the populist regimes around the world are going for anyway. Meanwhile let's colonize Mars with the decent people of the world. I'll volunteer to be one of the first.
Maccabi fans flew into Amsterdam, incited violence with their actions and chants, and set a tone of anger and hate. Of course in an emotionless world people don’t react violently and instead try and tackle it peacefully. But when Maccabi fans do that, in the context of everything that’s happening, your idea of trying to equalise these two things is truly baffling to me.
Legally, they should all equally be punished for any unlawful violence. But realistically, emotionally, we can call it out truthfully.
Israel passes law to deport relatives of attackers, including citizens
The Israeli parliament has passed a law allowing the government to deport the family members of people convicted of terrorism offences, including Israeli citizens.
The Israeli parliament has passed a law allowing the government to deport the family members of people convicted of terrorism offences, including Israeli citizens.
Are you kidding me?
There are literally videos all over social media of groups of people going around asking, "Where are you from?!", "Are you jewish?", "TELL ME WHERE YOU ARE FROM."
There is a video of one guy shouting, I'm not even Jewish to a bunch of people before getting knocked out cold.
No, to be honest, I think it's far worse to form group and start battering random people in the streets because a bunch of dumbass racist football hooligans decided to be....well...themselves.
If they decided to strictly target those Israeli fans I wouldn't bat an eyelid, it's the fact that they went and attacked dudes (and in one case atleast, two women) in the streets in inquisition fashion.
Exactly. Peaceful none footballing people with Israeli passports were being hunted down. There are some shocking films on social media of people being attacked, incl one poor fecker being run over by a car.
Having said all that, what happened last night was the norm every Saturday afternoon in the towns & cities of England back in the 70’s & 80’s.
Portuguese media going with the poor jewish fans being violently attacked by pro palestinian mob.