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Smores said:
There are so many mind bending aspects to the hypocrisy from UK and other Western media but this right here is just state sponsored terrorism.

I just can't comprehend how it's allowed to pass without comment or sanction. There's no 'its complicated' here it's just pure terrorism, not only ignored but supported.
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Yep, there is actually a network of tax-exempt American "charities" that support those settlers.
 

While as a scholar of international law I have to conclude on the available evidence that Israel’s conduct in Gaza is, as a legal matter, genocide, as a matter of morality, the perverted gratuitous murder & destruction by the IDF, killing for the hell of it, slaughtering children for a lark, has an extreme moral baseness not fully captured even by the legal language of genocide.
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AfonsoAlves said:
Err, last I checked the US + Coalition aren't going around committing sectarian atrocities as a nice relaxing vacation from fighting ISIS.
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Well, feck yeah.

As everybody knows, a drone wiping out a house or a missile eradicating a village is so much more civilized than a knife firmly applied to a throat. It gives so much more surgical vibes.

The first question being what the US + Coalition were doing there in the first place and how their actions destabilized the whole region and gave birth to an ever worst monster than Al-Qaida.
 
Amir said:
I think a have a pretty moderate view,
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That you have and I'm personally truly happy that you're still posting here.

t that the IDF is essensially protecting my life and allows me to live my life almost normally in the past year. I can - and do - condemn some of the thing it does, but also see its virtues compared with terrorist groups.
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I can't agree with you on that. It's doing a terrible job.

The IDF stopped doing it since 1967 and that's me being very generous. The day the IDF turned into IOF was the moment where "protection" lost any kind of meaning. It always served as an enforcer for a humiliating, and deadly, occupation and settlement policy which could only fuel hate on the Palestinian side and ensure a continual state of insecurity.

Hamas and Hezbollah weren't born out of hate of Jews, but out of hate of occupation. That's the fundamental difference and labelling them as "terrorist organizations" is the easy way out and not an objective way to understand nor remedy to the situation. It's a cop-out, you know it and I know it. That's not to absolve any war crime Hezbollah and Hamas are guilty of, mind you. There are plenty.

But you can't in good conscience caution an army that props the "Dahiya doctrine", has zero concern about civilian casualties, doesn't hesitate to bomb hundreds of civilians to get one guy (Nasrallah being the latest example), kills its own citizens if necessary, uses starvation as a weapon of war, supports the settlers criminal acts and never really punishes any kind of war crimes committed by their own soldiers.

Of course there's upright IDF soldiers caught in the maelström, trying to protect their country and do what they think is right. But they and their officers are now caught in a "Befehl ist Befehl" situation.
 
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The IDF announces: The division of the northern Gaza Strip into two parts has been completed, and we getting closer to the complete evacuation of the northern part from civilians and terrorists: "This time there is no intention to allow the residents of the northern Gaza Strip to return to their homes and that humanitarian aid will regularly enter the southern Gaza Strip - since there are no more civilians left north of Gaza City".
 
For a year the Biden administration sucked up to Israel and gave it carte blanche. No "respect"' in return.

 
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VorZakone said:
For a year the Biden administration sucked up to Israel and gave it carte blanche. No "respect"' in return.

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The most moral, racist piece of shit of our lifetime fired his most moral, racist war criminal exactly at the moment where the US is electing its president.

#nothingnewunderthesun
 
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Raoul said:
They're not taking it well apparently....

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Same thing happened the last time Netanyahu fired him, in March 2023. Back then, Netanyahu went back on his decision. Won't happen again. He needs to get rid of Galant in order to keep his coalition intact and I think he's become more immune to protests.
 
That_Bloke said:
The most moral, racist piece of shit of our lifetime fired his most moral, racist war criminal exactly at the moment where the US is electing its president.

#nothingnewunderthesun
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It was actually the perfect timing for Netanyahu in every way.

Firing Galant meant he got the investigations of his office out of the headlines (a second one popped up yesterday) at the same time as the US was focused on something else - while knowing that the news cycle in Israel will quickly turn during the night back from our political upheavel to the results of the election.
 
Is Israel now bound to ramp it up and flat line everything still standing before Biden leaves office, so Trump can assume and put and end to the invasion getting hailed as the president of peace?
 
George Owen said:
Is Israel now bound to ramp it up and flat line everything still standing before Biden leaves office, so Trump can assume and put and end to the invasion getting hailed as the president of peace?
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Seems the most probably outcome to me, i don't think it's a coincidence he tried to link Iran to the assassination attempts and then said nuclear sites were valid targets.

He'll give Israel free reign to destroy military capabilities and then pressure Iran for a deal. Only question now is does Netanyahu go for it.
 
If the Dems had any backbone they'd use their last few months in office to throw the book at Israel. They have nothing to lose now.

But I also don't live in a fantasy world, and I'm reminded the democrats would sooner lose elections than ever risk upsetting the hard-line Zionists and Israeli lobby. More of a chance of Trump converting to Islam.
 
Kaos said:
If the Dems had any backbone they'd use their last few months in office to throw the book at Israel. They have nothing to lose now.
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Backbone? Their leaders are fine with what's happening.
 
That_Bloke said:
I can't agree with you on that. It's doing a terrible job.
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I'm not going to condone the IDF's actions - from 1967 and on - and clearly this war has seen some totally extreme and apphaling actions but the main problem has obviously been the governments that dictate the moves. They are the root for everything that happened since 1967.

And yes, the IDF has morphed partly into the IOF - because that's what the governments wanted - but there's still an element of protection there. Like I said, I have been generally living my life pretty normally in this past year. I wouldn't have been able to do that - or maybe wouldn't have been alive - without defensive missile systems. Now, would those have even been needed had things been done differently in the past 50+ years? Who knows. But right now - they are needed.
 
So we're in this awkward situation where there's understandable schadenfreude towards the Democrats for losing the presidency and how they've handled Gaza, but the new guys in town are not likely to be better. Hard to see a somewhat positive outcome for the Palestinians here.
 
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