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Trump told Netanyahu he wants Gaza war over by time he enters office — sources
Former US president Donald Trump has told Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that he wants Israel to wrap up the war in Gaza by the time he returns to office if he wins the election, two sources familiar with the matter revealed to The Times of Israel this week.

The former US official stressed that Trump wasn’t specific in his appeal to Netanyahu and could well back “residual” IDF activity in Gaza, so long as Jerusalem has officially ended the war.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/trump...za-war-over-by-time-he-enters-office-sources/
 

Palestinian student stripped of UK visa after Gaza remarks wins human rights appeal​

Home Office failed to show presence of Dana Abu Qamar ‘not conducive to public good’, according to tribunal ruling

https://www.theguardian.com/educati...-qamar-wins-back-visa-after-pro-gaza-comments

The Home Office failed to demonstrate that the presence of Dana Abu Qamar, 20, was “not conducive to public good” after the law student’s visa was revoked in December 2023, according to a tribunal ruling.


She came to the attention of authorities after statements made at a university demonstration on Gaza’s historical resistance to Israel’s “oppressive regime” and a subsequent interview with Sky News.

The dual Jordanian-Canadian citizen of Palestinian origin said: “For 16 years Gaza has been under blockade, and for the first time they are actively resisting, they are not on the defence, and this is truly a once in a lifetime experience.”

She also said: “And everyone is, we are both in fear, but also in fear of what, how Israel will retaliate and how we’ve seen it retaliate overnight, and the missiles that it’s launched and the attacks, but also we are full of pride. We are really, really full of joy of what happened.”

Abu Qamar, who led the Friends of Palestine society at the University of Manchester, said she was misinterpreted and that she was seeking to support Palestinian resistance to occupation and does not condone the use of violence against civilians, nor has she expressed support for Hamas.

The tribunal said the Home Office decision was a “disproportionate interference with her protected right to free speech” under the European convention on human rights. It found that her statements could not be taken as support for Hamas or the Hamas-led attacks on 7 October.

The judgment also said Abu Qamar was “not an extremist”, and said her references to Israel as an “apartheid” state were consistent with views expressed by human rights organisations. It added that her language of “actively resisting” and “broke free” would be recognised by informed observers as relating to lawful acts of Palestinian resistance.

“There is a clearly recognised and fundamental distinction between supporting the Palestinian cause and supporting Hamas and their actions,” the judgment said. “Nowhere does the appellant express support for Hamas specifically, or their actions.”
 
Not Tel Aviv but Jerusalem.
There's another thing that's of course never talked about.

Trump officially recognized the illegally occuppied Syrian Golan Heights as part of Israel, in flagrant violation of international law. Biden never overturned this awful decision, nor decided to move the US embassy back to Tel-Aviv. The Dems as well as the Republicans are working hand in hand on the matter.

Yet the US cries about the annexation of Crimea by Russia. #doublestandards
 


The through-line between a lot of Zionist decisions recently, whether in Israel or abroad, is towards abolishing Palestinian as a category of person. The most direct way to do it is by killing them, which they are doing at a quick rate. The other is to reduce and make un-inhabitable the land identified as Palestinian, which they are also doing in a systemic way over decades, accelerated now. Finally, this part will be to force the survivors and refugees of the first two liquidations, to then self-liquidate, to go chasing another Arab passport, and to identify as any other nationality. It also explains the Zionist anger towards UNRWA since it maintains that they are refugees, thus raising the question of where they are refugees from, and where they would go back to.

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What is happening with UNRWA is disgusting. UN relief Is the only part of the UN that does some good. The rest of the organization should be burned down
 
What is happening with UNRWA is disgusting. UN relief Is the only part of the UN that does some good. The rest of the organization should be burned down
No, it shouldn't and I find it appalling that more and more people advocate for its liquidation.

Reformed? Yes, absolutely, starting with the abolition of this stupid veto right at the UNSC. But ending one of the few good things that came out of WWII which despite its profound flaws, maintained a semblance of order?

The world is truly going mad.
 
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No, it shouldn't and I find it appalling that more and more people advocate for its liquidation.

Reformed? Yes, absolutely, starting with the abolition of this unjust stupid veto right at the UNSC. But ending one of the few good things that came out of WWII which despite its profound flaws, maintained a semblance of order?

The world is truly going mad.
Tbf I understand why someone would have that view after the absolute mockery the US and Israel have made of the UN for decades.
 
Tbf I understand why someone would have that view after the absolute mockery the US and Israel have made of the UN for decades.
It doesn't lie in the UN but in how the most powerful nations are defiling it.

The very same nations that founded it.
 
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It doesn't lie in the UN but how the most powerful nations are defiling it.

The very same nation that founded it.
Yes. Unfortunately, I don't see any realistic way of reforming it that doesn't lead to the US dismantling it completely.
 
Yes. Unfortunately, I don't see any realistic way of reforming it that doesn't lead to the US dismantling it completely.
The UN is taking the same path as its predecessor, the League of Nations, with people seemingly happy to bury it.

We'll see where the road ends this time.
 
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“Oh God, I swear — she’s my mother! I didn’t know it was her!” Abed Bardini sobbed as he leaned over his mother, Samira, cradling her head in his arms. Fellow Red Crescent medics tried to console him.

 
No, it shouldn't and I find it appalling that more and more people advocate for its liquidation.

Reformed? Yes, absolutely, starting with the abolition of this unjust stupid veto right at the UNSC. But ending one of the few good things that came out of WWII which despite its profound flaws, maintained a semblance of order?

The world is truly going mad.
It needs serious reformation. The victors of the old world order, post-WW2, retain a veto. But the G7 of which three of these nations are a apart represents now less than the BRICS of which the other two nations with a veto and perm membership on the security council sit.

I had an idea two years ago to call for a second economic forum. A second Bretton Woods. I wanted that to come from the West but it has, instead, come from the East and the South. The North/West are missing a trick by cathecting themselves from this summit. It ought to be the ground-basis for a new international ordering and the West/North ought to be highly involved.

As for the UN. Its laws are correct but when nations can veto the implications of those laws being enacted we are left with something more like the League of Nations which is absolutely disfunctional. It requires reform. India, Brazil, Japan, for starters, ought to be among the permanent 5. One of these is pro-Western and two of them are somewhere between the East/South and the West. Two Brics, one non-Brics. The 5 should be 10 and ought to be based on economic projections moving forward 30 or 40 years. Leaving two more spaces for maybe a Middle Eastern nation (a lot of grievances if it is any other than Egypt, Iran [a hard sell], or Turkey).
 
The occupation army is moving towards the schools of Tal al-Zaatar and Tal al-Rabi’ in Beit Lahia, north of the Gaza Strip, and is calling on the displaced people via a quadcopter to evacuate the schools.

Beit Lahia is now being subjected to artillery shelling and fire belts by the Israeli occupation army.

Israeli occupation aircraft bombed the third floor of Kamal Adwan Hospital. Due to the bombing, the medicine warehouse burned down. Medical supplies were received 5 days ago from the World Health Organization.

Continuous artillery shelling and widespread destruction in the Beit Lahia Project Market, as a result of the continued aggression of the Israeli occupation forces on northern Gaza.

A new cleansing operation against the people of Beit Lahia and the displaced people there

A massacre after the Israeli occupation targeted a group of citizens near Al-Sahaba Junction in the center of Gaza City

The last strongholds in northern Gaza, Beit Lahia Project and Beit Lahia town have been turned into an open graveyard as a result of the continuous targeting by the Israeli occupation army.

From Anas Al-Sharif over the last few hours.
 
No, it shouldn't and I find it appalling that more and more people advocate for its liquidation.

Reformed? Yes, absolutely, starting with the abolition of this unjust stupid veto right at the UNSC. But ending one of the few good things that came out of WWII which despite its profound flaws, maintained a semblance of order?

The world is truly going mad.

I am not against supranational organizations that works and the UN doesn't work. I am talking to eliminate it because how it works and you are talking to reform one of the core and immoveable functionalities.

We are talking the same. Reset and start over you modification. And it steams that the UN is useless like the league of nations was useless to stop WWII, the UN is useless to stop Ukraine-Russia war, the Palestinian genocide by Israel, the cuban blockade, the Sudan 25 million crisis, the Yemen war and so on

Useless, utterly useless
 
Israeli government beefing with Haaretz newspaper.
Government officials called to terminate any ties with Haaretz newspaper after its publisher, Amos Schocken, called Palestinian terrorists "freedom fighters."

During a Haaretz conference in London, Schocken criticized the Israeli government, claiming "It dismisses the costs [to] both sides for defending the settlements while fighting the Palestinian freedom fighters that Israel calls 'terrorists.'" He further accused the Netanyahu government of “imposing a cruel apartheid regime” on the Palestinian Arab population and usurping lands supposedly designated for the establishment of a Palestinian state.
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/syvgkxb11jx
 
The Candian govt adopts the IHRA definition, which says that calling the state of Israel a racist endevour is anti-semitism. The govt then gives an example of such anti-semitic statements:
"A post made on Instagram claimed that “you can’t be antiracist and Zionist” and that “Zionism is a racist & violent settler-colonial project…”
https://www.canada.ca/en/canadian-h..._content=guide-antisemitism-en-241030-pch#a6c


This is what is coming to the US after the election (no matter who wins) since it has been proposed by Chuck Schumer.
 
There is more interesting stuff there:
> Additionally, it is important to understand that the recognition of Jewish indigeneity and the right of Jewish people to self-determination in the land of Israel does not negate the right of self-determination for the Palestinians or others on that land

I would argue that the greatest impediment to Palestinian self-determination "in the land of Israel" is indeed Jewish self-determination "in that land". Was there another Zionism or Palestine where both were possible? Who knows, that's an academic question. But in dealing with actually-existing Zionism, as it developed in the 30s, then with the Nakba, with 1967, with the revisionist takeover, and the current cleansing - it is and has always been clearly inimical to any other sovereignty in "that land."

> The first woman to win the Race Across America, a Canadian-Israeli, was uninvited from an International Women’s Day event in Peterborough, Ontario, after pressure from activists who discovered that she had served in the Israel Defense Forces (IDF), a mandatory requirement for Israeli citizens. [...]Holding Israeli citizens collectively responsible for any actions or policies of their government is a double standard not applied to individuals associated with other democratic nations

It seems she's been individually held responsible for her individual actions as a part of an occupying murdering raping army, not as an Israeli citizen, but eh, these people think Hamas = Palestinian = bad, therefore good = Israel = IDF.

> A Canadian magazine that describes itself as “the longest-standing voice of the left in Canada” published an article comparing Israel’s military response to the October 7th Hamas atrocities to the Holocaust, titled “Israel’s genocide betrays the Holocaust.” The article begins by saying “Israel’s lebensraum master plan for Gaza, borrowed from the Nazi’s depopulation of Jewish ghettos, is clear.”

They don't explain why this is bad, since it's apparently self-evident.

THe document goes on to explain that the IHRA definition should be used by the police and judiciary in informing their decisions.
 

Israeli army to remain in Gaza ‘for many years’: Smotrich​


Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich has said that “Gaza must be reoccupied”.

“The Israeli army will remain in the Gaza Strip for many years to ensure security,” Smotrich said, in an interview with Israel’s Makor Rishon newspaper.

“The army will maintain operational security control in the long term in Gaza to achieve the objectives of the war and to prevent Hamas from recovering.

“In my estimation, a political settlement will be reached by the end of the year,” he added.
 

Israeli army to remain in Gaza ‘for many years’: Smotrich​


Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich has said that “Gaza must be reoccupied”.

“The Israeli army will remain in the Gaza Strip for many years to ensure security,” Smotrich said, in an interview with Israel’s Makor Rishon newspaper.

“The army will maintain operational security control in the long term in Gaza to achieve the objectives of the war and to prevent Hamas from recovering.

“In my estimation, a political settlement will be reached by the end of the year,” he added.
They've, predictably, de facto annexed the northern part of Gaza. The only question is what becomes of everything South of it.
 
And the West Bank and the Golan Heights.....
The Golan Heights are long gone. Trump made sure of it and Biden never reversed the decision, telling you everything you need to know.

The West Bank has been under unprecedented attack for more than a year with the full support and complicity of the US. That swiss cheese will have more holes than cheese in a couple of months at this rate and there's absolutely no one and nothing willing to stop these indoctrinated psychopaths.

I'm truly desperate, to be frank. I'm witnessing the greatest car crash of our lifetime with a lot of people either shrugging it off or cheering on.

I knew it was going to be bad one year ago and predicted most of what we're seeing right now. But never in my worst nightmares I could imagine it would be this bad. And the absolute lack of any kind of empathy from the western countries, bar a few exceptions, and their relentless support of the most documented genocide in human history is absolutely shocking. The Arab dictatorships, especially in the region, aren't any better, mind.

I'm also appalled by the stance of many otherwise great posters on this forum. They all seem to glitch when it comes to this topic.

I didn't appreciate how deeply embedded the institutional racism in the West was until now. I can't fathom the dimensions and consequences of this grotesque, tragic farce playing out before our eyes anymore. I don't even see the point of posting in this thread anymore. Every post about what's been done to the Palestinian people is just pain.
 
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Saudi Arabia has called Israel's actions in Gaza a Genocide.

Speaking on stage at an investment conference in Riyadh, Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Faisal bin Farhan Al Saud said Israeli actions in northern Gaza could only be described as a form a genocide that was feeding a cycle of violence.He reiterated the kingdom's position that it would not recognise Israel without a Palestinian state, adding on that proposed step, Saudi Arabia is "quite happy to wait until the situation is amenable," before moving ahead with normalisation."We look at just what's happening now in north (Gaza) where we have a complete blockade of any access for humanitarian goods coupled with a continued military assault without any real pathway for civilians to find shelter, to find safe zones, that can only be described as a form of genocide," he said. "It is certainly against humanitarian law, international humanitarian law, and is feeding a continuing cycle of violence."

This article was published in thejakartapost.com with the title "".


Click to read: https://www.thejakartapost.com/worl...s-israels-north-gaza-assault-as-genocide.html.
 
The Golan Heights are long gone. Trump made sure of it and Biden never reversed the decision, telling you everything you need to know.

The West Bank has been under unprecedented attack for more than a year with the full support and complicity of the US. That swiss cheese will have more holes than cheese in a couple of months at this rate and there's absolutely no one and nothing will to stop the Israeli indoctrinated psychopaths.

I'm absolutely desperate, to be frank. I'm witnessing the greatest car crash of our lifetime with a lot of people either shrugging it off or cheering on.

I knew it was going to be bad one year ago and predicted most of what we're seeing right now. But never in my wildest nightmares I could imagine that it would be this bad. Not only the shockingly lack of any kind of empathy from the western countries but also their relentless support of the most documented genocide in human history.

I'm absolutely appalled by the stance of otherwise many great posters on this forum. They all seem to glitch when it comes to this topic.

I didn't appreciate how the institutional racism in the West was so deeply embedded until now. I can't fathom the dimensions and consequences of this grotesque, tragic farce playing out before our eyes anymore. I don't even see the point of posting in this thread anymore. Every post about what's been done to the Palestinian people is just pain.
The attitude of the West has become a weird one to explain. I had initially put it down to brutal realpolitik (Israel=ally, Palestinians=unimportant). However, after more than 12 months of this horror, you have to flip the question and ask whether, even from that cynical standpoint, Israel is really of such strategic value that it warrants the squandering of any remaining moral capital that the West retained after Iraq. I could try to ascribe it to the effects of Israeli wooing of the US and European political class and specific circumstances (US election cycle, UK exhaustion after self-destruction since 2016, France’s fragile political situation, Germany’s post-WWII demons). But, ultimately, you have to conclude that the reason that 200 people dying in floods in Spain is a tragedy (which it is of course) while the killing of at least 45,000 people on the southern shore of the same sea is treated as a kind of unpleasant background noise in public consciousness, is that the latter are (largely) of a religious background that the West at best barely tolerates and in many cases actively despises. It’s an ugly look.
 
Saudi Arabia has called Israel's actions in Gaza a Genocide.

Speaking on stage at an investment conference in Riyadh, Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Faisal bin Farhan Al Saud said Israeli actions in northern Gaza could only be described as a form a genocide that was feeding a cycle of violence.He reiterated the kingdom's position that it would not recognise Israel without a Palestinian state, adding on that proposed step, Saudi Arabia is "quite happy to wait until the situation is amenable," before moving ahead with normalisation."We look at just what's happening now in north (Gaza) where we have a complete blockade of any access for humanitarian goods coupled with a continued military assault without any real pathway for civilians to find shelter, to find safe zones, that can only be described as a form of genocide," he said. "It is certainly against humanitarian law, international humanitarian law, and is feeding a continuing cycle of violence."

This article was published in thejakartapost.com with the title "".


Click to read: https://www.thejakartapost.com/worl...s-israels-north-gaza-assault-as-genocide.html.
Its clear they're waiting for this to die down (or for all the Palestinians to die off) before resuming normalisation talks. The Kingdom couldn't care less, they're just concerned with the optics right now, particularly the anger and disgust from folk all over the Arab world, and within their own nation.

I personally don't buy this idea of them locking talks behind the condition of there being a Palestinian state. They were all too happy to pursue relations prior to a year ago, when the Israelis were still killing, stealing and oppressing.
 
The attitude of the West has become a weird one to explain. I had initially put it down to brutal realpolitik (Israel=ally, Palestinians=unimportant). However, after more than 12 months of this horror, you have to flip the question and ask whether, even from that cynical standpoint, Israel is really of such strategic value that it warrants the squandering of any remaining moral capital that the West retained after Iraq. I could try to ascribe it to the effects of Israeli wooing of the US and European political class and specific circumstances (US election cycle, UK exhaustion after self-destruction since 2016, France’s fragile political situation, Germany’s post-WWII demons). But, ultimately, you have to conclude that the reason that 200 people dying in floods in Spain is a tragedy (which it is of course) while the killing of at least 45,000 people on the southern shore of the same sea is treated as a kind of unpleasant background noise in public consciousness, is that the latter are (largely) of a religious background that the West at best barely tolerates and in many cases actively despises. It’s an ugly look.
It's not weird but plain racism, in its ugliest form.

The ones who don't value people's deaths never valued their lives to begin with.
 
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Well if this is true then that makes this next post absolutely spot on!


Its clear they're waiting for this to die down (or for all the Palestinians to die off) before resuming normalisation talks. The Kingdom couldn't care less, they're just concerned with the optics right now, particularly the anger and disgust from folk all over the Arab world, and within their own nation.

I personally don't buy this idea of them locking talks behind the condition of there being a Palestinian state. They were all too happy to pursue relations prior to a year ago, when the Israelis were still killing, stealing and oppressing.

(Applause gif)
 
I think there is a certain type of people that think of themselves as sober, serious adults (unlike the childish left) who denies this stuff because the Atlantic or Vox or whatever tell them to. So it's good that there are less places to run to now.

I have a lot of friends like this - I'm struggling to remain friends with them. The denials of what is abundantly plain by the self proclaimed "rationalists" or "reasonable" folk is as hypocritical as it is infuriating.
 
The attitude of the West has become a weird one to explain. I had initially put it down to brutal realpolitik (Israel=ally, Palestinians=unimportant). However, after more than 12 months of this horror, you have to flip the question and ask whether, even from that cynical standpoint, Israel is really of such strategic value that it warrants the squandering of any remaining moral capital that the West retained after Iraq. I could try to ascribe it to the effects of Israeli wooing of the US and European political class and specific circumstances (US election cycle, UK exhaustion after self-destruction since 2016, France’s fragile political situation, Germany’s post-WWII demons). But, ultimately, you have to conclude that the reason that 200 people dying in floods in Spain is a tragedy (which it is of course) while the killing of at least 45,000 people on the southern shore of the same sea is treated as a kind of unpleasant background noise in public consciousness, is that the latter are (largely) of a religious background that the West at best barely tolerates and in many cases actively despises. It’s an ugly look.

Good post.

I'll add that the West has eradicated the population of two continents, enslaved and then economically raped a third, and bombs the Middle East into the stone ages every decade or so and builds its own military infrastructure in those areas afterwards.

The West's two biggest enemies, according to the West, are China and Russia. Ie, the only major entities along with India left after they've finished with the Middle East.

The West desires nothing less than the subjugation of all others on the planet. And it would do the same on Mars if it found intelligent life there which refused to acknowledge the West's inherent superiority.

I think I've said it before in this thread, but there's very little difference between Pope Urban II's speech calling the First Crusade and the descriptions of Muslims/Arabs/etc parroted by the West today. The West's disposition towards the Middle East is quite literally medieval.
 
I knew it was going to be bad one year ago and predicted most of what we're seeing right now. But never in my wildest nightmares I could imagine that it would be this bad. Not only the shockingly lack of any kind of empathy from the western countries but also their relentless support of the most documented genocide in human history.

While it's only very partially relevant, a big podcast in Israel conducted a survey right after October 7. One of the questions was, how long do people think the war will last.

1.6% or so said one year or more. Most people believed it would be a few months.