Two things can be true at once. Do IDF use this as a much too broad excuse for indiscriminate bombing? I don’t think there’s any discussion by now that this is the case. But I’m very surprised anyone would still dispute that it’s happening at all.
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Article: Cop shoots black teenager in the head 5 times. The cop has not offered any statement, but in the past police have often claimed that black teens were trying to kill them.
Me: How are they making excuses? They are mentioning what is usually the cop's excuse. That's a perfectly fine way to give context and give the readers a chance to make up their own mind about whether black teenagers often being armed and dangerous (which is true) is justification for shooting them in the head.
Does that sound right to you?
Yeah, I don’t think you are debating in good faith, honestly.
I don't think the use of the phrase 'human shields' is good faith either.
It's not a war and my problem with both siding isn't about Hamas either.
You can't both sides a genocide and give space to the excuses of the ones carrying it and treat them like a normal army and country. For example last month, they had this article that's open and shut case of ethnic cleansing with a clear indication of turning Northern Gaza into an extermination camp. Everything from the headline to showing the pros and cons of such a depraved plan makes it seem like a normal thing to pursue.
This is one of their last updates which is literally from one of the main propaganda Israeli organizations in this genocide
No mention this is nowhere near enough and that it doesn't reach any of the most affected areas which has been under siege for 10 days in northern Gaza. Also, again framing the plan as a means to Hamas surrender when it's about ethnic cleansing, land grab and exterminating any Palestinians left.
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The clause does not absolve Germany of it's complicity in genocide. But why do they even care? they already have two genocides to their name.
How about not mentioning israeli propaganda from other incidents (not the actual incident) and let the people use their brains to determine by themselves.
There's more than 2, the third one doesn't get mentioned much but they also had a big hand in a genocide against the Serbs and other Balkan minorities during WW2 .
Yes the Serbo-Croatian genocide.
Anti-Zionist beliefs ‘worthy of respect’, UK tribunal finds
Judges say unfairly dismissed academic David Miller’s views on Israel should be protected by antidiscrimination laws
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2...liefs-worthy-respect-uk-tribunal-finds-israel
The belief that Israel’s actions amount to apartheid, ethnic cleansing and genocide are “worthy of respect in a democratic society”, an employment tribunal has concluded in a landmark decision.
Judges say unfairly dismissed academic David Miller’s views on Israel should be protected by antidiscrimination laws
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2...liefs-worthy-respect-uk-tribunal-finds-israel
The belief that Israel’s actions amount to apartheid, ethnic cleansing and genocide are “worthy of respect in a democratic society”, an employment tribunal has concluded in a landmark decision.
I get the frustration and a lot of us haven't been perfect over the last year. Just as a counterpoint and despite any points of disagreements we may have, I would say VorZakone has generally been one of the better posters in this thread over the last year, posting regular updates that in general offer good, fair coverage, even when the thread was less active.
That's an anti-semitic judgement according to the ADLs definition.
Again, for the record: I did not imply that Western coverage was perfect or things like that. I disagreed with his view that Western publications didn't do investigative journalism or critical articles on Israel's behavior and felt it was hypocritical of him to then regularly share such articles from Western publications. But it's OK, he explained his reasoning.
But thanks for the compliment!
Was just going to post this.
I think this is very important. It's good to see the pushing back against stuff like the IHRA definition and the conflation of antisemitism with criticism of Israel. It's good that organisations like the ADL and Jonathan Greenblatt are discredited in many people's eyes. It's good that we are starting to recognise that Israel support is often aligned with racist, far right and even antisemitic politics in Europe and the US. And that Jewish people are not monolithic in their support.
I hope that this decoupling continues and genuine criticism of Israel thrives. I also hope that this puts more focus on the actual antisemitism that is very real and rising.
Obviously in the wider scheme of things, it is just a tribunal judgment.
But you are right - it is significant for both academics and students in universities, as well as in the wider workforce in the UK.
Thanks!
Well well well...
Too little too late, just wish she didn't spend the best part of the year being a fairweather progressive and called this for it was much earlier.
Wonder what prompted her to do this now.
Probably found out Harris isn’t going to give her a gig if the dems win the election.
Who knows? My tenuous guess is the Dems saw the polls in places like Dearborn, Michigan, got spooked, and this is them trying to throw the voters there a bone, but it couldn't have come from Harris because she can't risk upsetting the AIPAC vultures and mainstream media this late into the campaign, so they've wheeled out their 'progressive champion' for some empty statements.
Could be one of either I'm sure, but AOC generally seems to have figured out she needs to walk a fine line if she wants to ever be part of the leadership in DC. In other words - I'm thinking she s taking one for the team like Kaos implied. People still see AOC as a rebel so this won't come across as off message to many.
Election time baby
This fecking self-serving windsock.
Still, I think this something substantial at long last, even if there are ulterior motives as @Kaos mentioned. I'm no fan by the way.
Maybe.
As far as I'm concerned, anything she says on the matter bears no consequence nor credibility. She'll flip-flop again when the weather demands it.
Germany still out here grinding that thousand years shit.
UPDATE: 30 Killed In Gaza In Israeli Airstrikes Since Tuesday Morning
10 people killed in Israeli airstrike on house in Bani Suheila neighborhood, east of Khan Younis, several others injured.
5 died in separate strike on a residential building in Nuseirat refugee camp, with reports of additional casualties in nearby building.
In bombardment near Salah al-Din Mosque in the Zeitoun neighborhood, south of Gaza City, 3 people were killed.
Death toll from earlier attack in al-Fakhari, east of Khan Younis, rose to at least 6.
Unknown number killed and wounded in northern Gaza’s Beit Hanoun, Jabalia, and Beit Lahia areas under total Israeli siege, and relentless shelling and air strikes.
x.com/DropSiteNews/status/1846037627792675024
10 people killed in Israeli airstrike on house in Bani Suheila neighborhood, east of Khan Younis, several others injured.
5 died in separate strike on a residential building in Nuseirat refugee camp, with reports of additional casualties in nearby building.
In bombardment near Salah al-Din Mosque in the Zeitoun neighborhood, south of Gaza City, 3 people were killed.
Death toll from earlier attack in al-Fakhari, east of Khan Younis, rose to at least 6.
Unknown number killed and wounded in northern Gaza’s Beit Hanoun, Jabalia, and Beit Lahia areas under total Israeli siege, and relentless shelling and air strikes.
x.com/DropSiteNews/status/1846037627792675024
There is no such thing as Serbo-Croatian genocide. I know this is not in line with topic, but anyway.
Croatia was a fascist state in WW2, which was allied with Italy and Germany. The rest of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia which existed prior to the war, it is hard to say. But Serbian royal guard, Chetniks, which can be concerned a major force of the time, were a paramilitary force which was not completely aligned with fascists, but their ideology was not nice, anyway, to not use worse words. They commited many crimes, but you couldn't say they were allies with fascists 100%.
Most of them fought communists anyway, both Chetniks and Croatian fascist goverment, and commited major atrocities along the way.
There was huge extermination camp Jasenovac in which ugly crimes were commited by Croatian fascist goverment, mostly against Serbs, and there was also Bleiburg, at the very end of the war, where Yugoslav forces commited crimes against nazi supporters, but also a number of innocents.
There were, of course, countless small villages and groups of people exterminated throughout the war, Muslims in Eastern Bosnia for example, mostly by Chetnik forces. Germans also commited number of such atrocities throughout the war.
But, there wasn't such thing as German sponsored genocide against Serbo-Croatians specifically. No.
Germany has a terrorist government full of war criminals and the majority of people there are ok with that.
Disgusting state, the worst in Europe regarding this issue.
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also worth noting it's both the kahanists and the social-democrats in the replies agreeing on this
also worth noting it's both the kahanists and the social-democrats in the replies agreeing on this
We've been told many times here that Israelis just aren't all that aware of what's really happening in Gaza. Yet every time they're made aware of something horrible there they enthusiastically approve of it.