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[AfonsoAlves]

Reddit confounds me sometimes

extremely bleeding heart liberal, delusionally so sometimes, very anti trump,

yet they’re all diehard Israeli supporters bar specific subreddits

 

[maniak]

Israel just rescued four hostages in a "precise" operation that massacred 200+. Congratulations!

They got the hostages and killed many palestinians, that was precisely the goal.

 

[Idxomer]

Israel just rescued four hostages in a "precise" operation that massacred 200+. Congratulations!

In collaboration with the US hostages unit which most likely used the "humanitarian pier" to conduct the massacre.

 

[Idxomer]

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And the death machine cheers on.

 

[space]

These stories and images coming out about the market massacre are horrifying - so many children dead. Plus it was a joint operation with the US. It’s so disgusting just like the hospital massacre. May Palestine be free

 

[berbatrick]

Really good timing.
US involvement will get Biden to get some breathing room which will let him give Bibi some breathing room.

 

[Giggsyking]

The images are unbearable.

 

[Giggsyking]

If anyone has the heart to watch, check out twitter. Not going to share here. The market were full of people when IDF raided, hundreds are killed.

 

[maniak]

what’s the point of sharing this?

Get a reaction.

 

[maniak]

The images are unbearable.

It's really easy to understand how extreme groups thrive in these environments. If this is your life, how can you not be filled with hate and wish for revenge at any cost?

 

[Massive Spanner]

Reddit confounds me sometimes

extremely bleeding heart liberal, delusionally so sometimes, very anti trump,

yet they’re all diehard Israeli supporters bar specific subreddits

Because Reddit is overwhelmingly American people who are mostly pro Israel and can downvote everyone who isn’t.

feck Israel and the US, the shit on the news today of that massacre is horrific.

 

[Sweet Square]

Insane way to report a mass killing

 

[unchanged_lineup]

Insane way to report a mass killing

Doesn't seem like anything "claims" about it from the videos.

It's a slaughter. Indiscriminate mass murder.

 

[berbatrick]

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Fitting for the anniversary of Normandy

 

[MDFC Manager]

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Fitting for the anniversary of Normandy

Ah, so that's what they built it for. No surprises tbh

Also hearing the latest massacre involved using an aid truck as disguise? Again not surprising tactics, considering its the terrorist army after all.

 

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Not the future terrorists i suppose?

 

[Idxomer]

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[Idxomer]

Some of the Palestinian victims from the massacre yesterday

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[Idxomer]

Gaza’s death toll surpasses 37,000

Israeli attacks in Gaza have killed 283 people and injured 814 in the past 24 hours alone, according to Gaza’s health ministry.

The vast majority of those casualties — 274 killed and 698 injured — were caused by Israeli’s operation in Nuseirat, the ministry said. Israeli forces freed four captives during the operation.

The latest casualties in Gaza bring the total toll there since October 7 to 37,084 killed and 84,494 injured, according to the ministry.

 

[2mufc0]

Ramy Abdu is Israeli soldier? I must have missed something.

But the thing is that's not what Ramy Abdu actually said.

 

[2mufc0]

The justifications are just a game of pretence, they never need reasons to kill Palestinians.

Of course internally they have no qualms about it but externally it's not a good look and they need to justify it no matter how twisted it is.

 

[VorZakone]

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[erikcred]

Of course internally they have no qualms about it but externally it's not a good look and they need to justify it no matter how twisted it is.

To whom do they need to justify it? They rightly don't expect any real consequences for these actions.

If fact, since there were actual hostages rescued in this instance, this massacre would be even more justified in their (and POTUS) eyes in comparison to the run of the mill school and hospital bombings.

 

[VorZakone]

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[2mufc0]

To whom do they need to justify it? They rightly don't expect any real consequences for these actions.

If fact, since there were actual hostages rescued in this instance, this massacre would be even more justified in their (and POTUS) eyes in comparison to the run of the mill school and hospital bombings.

They obviously care about PR that's why they have a propaganda wing (hasbara). Among the political elite they have the immunity due to the US but on the ground they are losing.

 

[Ole'sgunnarwin]

It's disgusting what has happened to the Palestinians. But to play devil's advocate here, should Israel just have forgotten about the hostages that they saved?

On the one hand, it is probably the only way to save them.

On the other hand, they've brutally murdered 100s of people who have had nothing to with all this.

Was there another way to deal with this?

 

[Carolina Red]

Was there another way to deal with this?

Yeah, there’s probably a better way to rescue hostages than to mow down hundreds of civilians in the process

 

[Idxomer]

It's disgusting what has happened to the Palestinians. But to play devil's advocate here, should Israel just have forgotten about the hostages that they saved?

On the one hand, it is probably the only way to save them.

On the other hand, they've brutally murdered 100s of people who have had nothing to with all this.

Was there another way to deal with this?

Yes, a hostage deal and an end to the massacres which they have refused countless times in the last 8 months. Most Israelis who actually care about the hostages have asked for an end to the war and still do as far as I know.

The most danger these hostages had faced in the last 8 months was from Israeli bombs and during their rescue.

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[maniak]

It's disgusting what has happened to the Palestinians. But to play devil's advocate here, should Israel just have forgotten about the hostages that they saved?

On the one hand, it is probably the only way to save them.

On the other hand, they've brutally murdered 100s of people who have had nothing to with all this.

Was there another way to deal with this?

No sane person would authorize an operation to save 4 people if that implied killing 200+ innocent bystanders.

 

[Giggsyking]

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[Giggsyking]

I got lured into a twitter account that tries to 'debunk' such videos, though I wouldn't call his claims 'reasonable' due to the obvious bias and agenda, but its difficult not to wonder from some of the points being made.

In the recent market video I'm not sure what kind of injury would blow a kids stomach open while keeping the rest of him unscathed, and if the intestines would really dry out like that while he's still alive. The biggest factor that puts questions in my mind however, is the complete lack of dripping/flowing blood from any of what are supposedly fresh shrapnel wounds. Literally not a drop to be found anywhere in a lot of these videos.

I'm by no means an expert and its one hell of an elaborate production if it is faked. Would be interesting to hear the opinions of someone in the medical field with experience of war wounds.

Here, listen to this

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[2mufc0]

I know these guys are a minority in Israel but good to see there is a glimpse of some sort of counter view

 

[MDFC Manager]

Said this before and will say it again. There is a pattern here.

Israel commits atrocity
People post said atrocity
Usual culprits come on with a post
Lots of people engage in that post
Culprit trolls
Atrocity posts are hidden by the barrage of arguments

Rinse and repeat.

In this massacre, he was even ahead of that chronology, by posting obfuscation before people even started reacting to the massacre

 

[Mike Smalling]

Guess who:

Oh my god what a find!

 

[Raoul]

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[berbatrick]

Couldn't find anything here, and it's a pretty basic/banal point, but the success of the hostage rescue should alleviate the only meaningful pressure for ceasefire (the part of Israeli domestic opinion which cares about hostages primarily). This proves that the IDF can rescue hostages, not just bomb them, and means that the aims of cleansing Gaza and rescuing the remaining hostages are no longer incompatible. It's been proven many times over this last year that US public opinion, the rest of the world's governments, and the rest of the world's public opinion do not matter. And the US and Israeli governments, who do matter, are not just on the same page on this, they are now conducting lethal operations together in Gaza.

The only thing Gaza has to rely on to survive from US-Israel in any recognisable form is the dwindling weapons stockpiles of Hamas, and if Hezbollah can create enough diversion in the North. Maybe they can try killing hostages, though that will probably just intensify the attack.

 

[Idxomer]

Noa Argamani confirmed to an Israeli channel what Hamas published a while ago about two other hostages with her being killed because of an Israeli missile.

According to Hamas, three other hostages were also killed during the massacre and bombing yesterday and one of them was an American.

 

[Idxomer]

Couldn't find anything here, and it's a pretty basic/banal point, but the success of the hostage rescue should alleviate the only meaningful pressure for ceasefire (the part of Israeli domestic opinion which cares about hostages primarily). This proves that the IDF can rescue hostages, not just bomb them, and means that the aims of cleansing Gaza and rescuing the remaining hostages are no longer incompatible. It's been proven many times over this last year that US public opinion, the rest of the world's governments, and the rest of the world's public opinion do not matter. And the US and Israeli governments, who do matter, are not just on the same page on this, they are now conducting lethal operations together in Gaza.

The only thing Gaza has to rely on to survive from US-Israel in any recognisable form is the dwindling weapons stockpiles of Hamas, and if Hezbollah can create enough diversion in the North. Maybe they can try killing hostages, though that will intensify the attack.

But they never cared much about this pressure anyway and the hostages' families remain behind a deal.

There's no survival for Gaza, that I pretty much agree with. "Thining the population to a minimum" as the Israelis want through ethnic cleansing and genocide is happening. How quickly they do it doesn't matter in the end.