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That's a fair point tbh. Israel definitely has a right to defend itself, it's just as we have seen in Gaza, there's no restraint shown. No tit for tat, it's all out retribution. I'm not sure what Hezbollah are up to stepping up attacks to be honest. They have seen how this Israeli government will respond and there is feck all to gain from irritating Israel further. Unless they are just looking to provoke an all out war in the region or try to gain international support and sympathy. It just doesn't make sense to me at all.

Hezbollah stepping up the attack comes after Israeli escalation, it doesn't happen out of nowhere. Both are cnuts but it has been mostly tit for tat since October. That said, Hezbollah has shown restraint for months considering Israel hit civilian areas, dropped white phosphorus on them and killed a decent number of non-Hezbollah combatants. I think the latest attacks are part retaliation and part to deter Israel from going fully to war with them by showing them some of what they can do if that happens. Not sure it will work though.
 


That's exactly the point. This guy said it best 9 days ago.

https://therealnews.com/bidens-failed-humanitarian-pier-in-gaza-was-a-stirring-success

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Hezbollah stepping up the attack comes after Israeli escalation, it doesn't happen out of nowhere. Both are cnuts but it has been mostly tit for tat since October. That said, Hezbollah has shown restraint for months considering Israel hit civilian areas, dropped white phosphorus on them and killed a decent number of non-Hezbollah combatants. I think the latest attacks are part retaliation and part to deter Israel from going fully to war with them by showing them some of what they can do if that happens. Not sure it will work though.

Thanks, I appreciate the reply.
 
"Al Jazeera published one of the most horrifying scenes I’ve ever witnessed, showing execution of Palestinians attempting to return home to North Gaza. I translated the video for you. Soldiers mercilessly shot civilians who were surrendering & raising their hands".

 
Your reminder that Ravid is a propagandist.

Nothing has really changed regarding the ceasefire front since Biden's stunt.
 
So now the hostages were being held by Doctor and Journalist. Is there any proof to this?

Or it is just a very convenient excuse to justify killing of Palestinian journalists and Doctors.

It's always the latter, the official page of Israel posted a tweet saying that there are no innocent civilians. No state has revelled in the death and destruction they caused like this in a long time and definitely not one that pretends to be civilised.

Speaking of doctors, Israeli doctors have actually participated in the torture of Palestinians and that has been the case for a long time.
 
Your reminder that Ravid is a propagandist.

Funnily enough, many people in Israel (right and far right supporters) think similarly... Only the other way around. That he's against Israel or something.

Well, he's not any of those things. He's just a bloody good journalist.

I guess what they say is true: If both sides are against you, then you're going a good job.
 
Funnily enough, many people in Israel (right and far right supporters) think similarly... Only the other way around. That he's against Israel or something.

Well, he's not any of those things. He's just a bloody good journalist.

I guess what they say is true: If both sides are against you, then you're going a good job.

he seems to be a biden/white house stenographer. which would also explain why both sides don't like him.
 
Your reminder that Ravid is a propagandist.

Nothing has really changed regarding the ceasefire front since Biden's stunt.

I've no problem believing that his statement that "Israeli official tells me..." is accurate. But it seems a bit light on detail for this to mean anything. How close to the top is this official, have they been reliable in the past?
 
He’s an OK journalist, nothing more. I don’t learn much from him. I don’t care much about his sources at the White House, because I no longer listen to what the WH has to say about this issue. It’s meaningless.
 
Yes, he pushes the narrative that the Biden administration wants.

Ken Klippinstein said this in a tweet a while back, probably because he’s jealous that Ravid is better dialed in to the logic of Israeli politicians than any American journo. Ravid has nothing to do with Biden administration though. He works for Axios and CNN, which are both mainstream.
 
Ken Klippinstein said this in a tweet a while back, probably because he’s jealous that Ravid is better dialed in to the logic of Israeli politicians than any American journo. Ravid has nothing to do with Biden administration though. He works for Axios and CNN, which are both mainstream.

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That's at the White House correspondents dinner. He has far more sources into Israeli politics than American journalists, so it should come as no surprise if he's recognized for his reporting about the political dynamics of the war.
 
That's at the White House correspondents dinner. He has far more sources into Israeli politics than American journalists, so it should come as no surprise if he's recognized for his reporting about the political dynamics of the Gaza war.

I don't have a problem with him getting an award, he did his job painting Biden in a far more favorable light than most journalists regarding Gaza.

Tbf, I went on Axios and his headline is Israel claim Hamas rejected the proposal which is a bit different from the tweet.
 
The Israeli ambassador said just yesterday on CNN that they couldn't accept the detail in the proposal so why are the US still pretending otherwise? Strange to see a western democracy gaslight in real time.

Both parties seem to agree on stage 1 so there's a clear fault in how this has been pushed through.
 
That's at the White House correspondents dinner. He has far more sources into Israeli politics than American journalists, so it should come as no surprise if he's recognized for his reporting about the political dynamics of the war.
I don’t like this. A Israeli journalist shouldn’t be the main source for information, nor should he has more sources at the White House than American journalists.

I would say the same if the journalist was Palestinian in the current environment.
 
The Israeli ambassador said just yesterday on CNN that they couldn't accept the detail in the proposal so why are the US still pretending otherwise? Strange to see a western democracy gaslight in real time.

Both parties seem to agree on stage 1 so there's a clear fault in how this has been pushed through.

It’s clear neither side truly want a solution here. The Wall Street Journal article about Sinwar’s texts that they reviewed suggests he views the loss of life in Gaza as beneficial to his strategy, which means he's likely out of step with the senior Hamas hierarchy in Qatar. Netanyahu is also obviously deeply conflicted on a ceasefire since it wouldn't benefit him politically either. Both of them are responsible for the lack of progress in recent months.
 
The Israeli ambassador said just yesterday on CNN that they couldn't accept the detail in the proposal so why are the US still pretending otherwise? Strange to see a western democracy gaslight in real time.

Both parties seem to agree on stage 1 so there's a clear fault in how this has been pushed through.

Israel simply has no intention to move to phase 2 which is the main problem and the US fully knows this. They want a time-out, get some hostages out and then resume the bombing. Also, how phase 2 is achieved is seen quite differently in the US view than Hamas.

 
It’s clear neither side truly want a solution here. The Wall Street Journal article about Sinwar’s texts that they reviewed suggests he views the loss of life in Gaza as beneficial to his strategy, which means he's likely out of step with the senior Hamas hierarchy in Qatar. Netanyahu is also obviously deeply conflicted on a ceasefire since it wouldn't benefit him politically either. Both of them are responsible in the lack of progress in recent months.

That much is obvious but that makes what the US are doing even more dangerous. In pretending a deal is solely being rejected by Hamas they're providing political cover for Israel and Netanyahu to prolong the war and risk civilians.

The main pressure against Netanyahu was internal, to make peace for a hostage release. The US spin is intentionally or not playing into Netanyahu's hands and easing that pressure.
 
Although I'm not sure if this Hamas stuff is just for show or something they actually believe. All previous reports indicate that they know the idea of a full destruction of Hamas isn't realistic.
 
That much is obvious but that makes what the US are doing even more dangerous. In pretending a deal is solely being rejected by Hamas they're providing political cover for Israel and Netanyahu to prolong the war and risk civilians.

The main pressure against Netanyahu was internal, to make peace for a hostage release. The US spin is intentionally or not playing into Netanyahu's hands and easing that pressure.

It also calls into question Biden's influence over Netanyahu. The reality is that Bibi is going to do what is political advantageous for him, not what Biden wants him to do. The fact that he is using Republicans in Congress as top cover to insulate himself from any pressure the WH exert on him will only enhance his position and further tie Biden's hands after Bibi addresses Congress soon.
 
The Israeli ambassador said just yesterday on CNN that they couldn't accept the detail in the proposal so why are the US still pretending otherwise? Strange to see a western democracy gaslight in real time.

Both parties seem to agree on stage 1 so there's a clear fault in how this has been pushed through.

Western media is actually more unreliable than Israeli media, so it's not that unsurprising. Israel's tactic is minimizing coverage, while the US goes for misinformation.

For instance, a few weeks back Hamas launched rockets at military camps close to the Kerem Shalom crossing. They killed a few soldiers. Israeli media either said nothing, or accurately reported that military targets were hit. Israel chose to close the crossing as a consequence, even though nothing was damaged. Western media, mostly American media, falsely reported that Hamas attacked the border crossing and therefore no aid could come through.
 


He's not wrong.

Netanyahu and the right wingers want Hamas out of Gaza, which means no ceasefire

Sinwar probably thinks the war and subsequent international condemnation has Israel on the back foot, which benefits the Hamas political position. He is also keenly aware that whatever hostages he has under his control are the last bargaining chips he has to keep himself alive.

Biden and his team are making a public spectacle that they are actively trying to broker a ceasefire deal for domestic consumption, knowing that a lasting ceasefire is never going to work as long as Sinwar remains in business in Gaza.

All three point to no lasting deals for the foreseeable future.
 
think it was posted here before, in case it wasn't:



something that struck me was that these look like military-age men. in the final debates about the numbers after the end of this slaughter, they would have been pretty uncontroversially put into the "Hamas" pile.

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