Can anyone confirm that Israel is now in breach of the peace treaty with Egypt? I have heard that in passing by a couple of journalists and was curious that they mentioned it in passing.
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You're absolutely right and it's indefensible but take it down a notch. That kind of discourse doesn't help at all.
You're right. I'll edit my post.
Good man. The post is excellent minus that last paragraph. You don't need that.
Deeply evil.
Extremely concerning. Their ideal goal is certainly ethnic cleansing and now they have control of both sides of the border.
I think is a bit we are better than europe. Call it more influence, virtuous, white better than brown, imperial better than metric. Whichever you chose.
The whole pier fiasco is just...I have no words for it.
Re: Dresden
Historians and commentators who consider Dresden revenge bombing ought to take a trip to the Soviet Archives and US/UK archives to read the documents and sources pertaining to the decision making before and during the bombing of Dresden.
A few points to consider anyhow:
1) By 1945 the Germans knew they were losing, (despite internal propaganda to the contrary) and their strategy revolved around the concept of 'Verteidigungsbereich', a series of military chokepoints on strategic locations along the Eastern front that were to be held at all costs. All expenses were not to be spared in making sure that the Germans held on to these positions because if they fell then that entire section of the front would fall. Heinz Guderian was responsible for designation of these defensive chokepoints along the Southern sector of the Eastern Front, and he personally chose Dresden. Dresden was vital strategically because it was a) relatively untouched by Western bombing as it was in the far south eastern corner of Germany and therefore had the vast majority of its infrastructure, both civilian and military, in tact. b) It sat on the border between the east and western banks of the Elbe. The closest crossing of the Elbe was +-150 miles from Dresden. If Dresden could be held, the Elbe provided a natural barrier against Soviet forces in the Southern sector of the Eastern Front.
2) As a follow up to the first point, The soviets by early 1945 were launching the Vistula-Oder offensive, which was some of the most brutal segments of the Eastern front. If you look at maps of the offensive, after a month of fighting, there were huge gains in the North/Center, but the Soviets were suffering huge casualties in the South. Why? Because German logistics infrastructure was practically intact. The railway intersection in Dresden could transport two entire German divisions a day to the front and back, allowing for much easier troop rotation, delivery of munitions and supplies as well as reinforcements to plug any gaps in the line. On a side note, it was averaged that 2150 Jews were being ferried to Auschwitz via Dresden per day, but that information only became available post war. Between January 15th and February the 9th, the Soviets request three separate occasions for the Western Allies to bomb Dresden. These requests were initially denied, because running Strategic bombing missions to that corner of Germany was deemed too much of a risk, as it would severely stretch the range of even the most capable escort-fighters at the time (P-51 Mustangs). However, as it looked like the Soviets were loosing momentum on the Southern Front by mid-February, the western allies decided it was the best thing to do. There was a genuine fear that the Soviet offensive had stalled in that region, so the decision was made to flatten it.
3) Two separate recommendations had been made for bombing attacks on Dresden before 1945, one being in December 1944, where Allied intelligence reported that there were 127 Military factories, housing 62,000 German Workers in the war effort. In these factories, production entailed ball bearings, tungsten rods, military telephones, shell munitions and aircraft spare parts. It was estimated around 19% of all German ball bearing production was handled in Dresden by December 1944.
4) As a direct result of the bombing, Military infrastructure around Dresden was flattened and ultimately this led to the great success of the Lower-Silesia Offensive and the Vienna Offensive launched by the Soviets in the following months, due to the inability of OKW to meaningfully get supplies, munitions and men to the front and to rotate cleanly. It also completely removed Dresden as a chokepoint on the Elbe.
You can argue that without the bombing of Dresden, the allies would have still won, which is obviously true. But the same can be said for many bombing campaigns of late 44 and 45. The question you have to ask therefore is, how many lives did the deaths of 25,000 Germans in Dresden, save? The answer is, with a good degree of certainty, multiple orders of magnitude more. Compare the loss ratios on that sector of front in the Vistula-Oder offensive compared to the Lower-Silesia and Vienna offensives to see the difference it made to the casualties on the Soviet side of the Eastern front. It also wasn't a one off bombing raid either, after the city was flattened, the Allies kept coming back to it to make sure that the railways were not being repaired, and the factories were not being rebuilt or re set up. It was a huge strategic objective.
Now comes the question: Why is there so much fuss around Dresden?
and the answer ties in with many of the myths of WWII, which is Nazi propoganda mixed in with post-war revisionism. After Dresden, the Germans released media coverage that up to 490,000 Germans had been butchered at Dresden (the real number was around the 25,000 mark). Then, in the post war memories of many notable nazi's/Wehrmacht commanders, many desperately downplayed the importance of Dresden as a useful strategic location. For example, Eric Von Manstein spent almost a year in 1944 recovering from surgery in Dresden, and wrote in his memoirs that it was a peaceful city with no military significance. Guderian, likewise in his memoirs, said the same thing (Which is hilarious because in documented minutes of OKH high command, Guderian personally recommend Dresden to be a Verteidigungsbereich. During the cold war, Eastern sources were not available, so historians genuinely took and believed the provenance of Wehrmacht memoirs as accurate sources. This is also how the "clean wehrmacht" myth stems from, if you read Franz Halder/Rundstedt/Manstein's memoirs, you'd think the Wehrmacht were true professional soldiers with no ties to Nazism, which was far from the case.
Like the Clean Wehrmacht tales, when the Soviet archives were finally opened up alongside the Western equivalents post Cold war, much of the truth of Dresden came into light.
so glad The Other is not in power now.
In my utopian Nuremberg for these spokesmen, the 2 smug guys have to go first and this freak has to go last, because he's breaking the gallows once the stool is kicked away.
The war is about Netanyahu buying time until he feels he's recovered in the polls and can win an election again.
I can accept that reasoning.
Do you know of a website where these soviet documents can be read in english?
No, most of the Soviet Documents from stavka during that period were not even digitalised. Blame the post-cold war Russian economic and systemic collapse for that one.
You'd have to go to the actual physical archives in Podolsk to see anything. So you can forget about a translation, even the original source is mostly not available on the internet.
But this book is from an author who personally went there to do his research on this topic and it's a fantastic read.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dresden-Tuesday-13-February-1945/dp/0747570841
Anyway, this might actual be a bit derailing so let's move to the history/archaeology thread where others are discussing this
Why the Dems always throw these coloured people to do their dirty work, same at the UN when they were doing those shameless vetoes.
Are Miller & Kirby coloured?
There are countless videos/tiktoks of these scumbags doing things like this.
I'm wondering whether this is normal behaviour, as I think this is one of the first wars in the 'shorts' social media era. I haven't been keeping up with the Russian invasion of Ukraine, are similar videos being made in that conflict too?
Nope, very little, to none existent. Shorts like that in UKR conflict are usually foreign mercenaries/volunteers or state sanctioned videos.
Right decision to edit for the sake of the forum - but you didn't say anything inaccurate.
It's almost certainly normal behaviour among soldiers, especially colonial invasion type forces. Just a digital version of what Roman, Mongol or whichever other empire's soldiers have done throughout history.
The gleeful and unrestrained filming of themselves though is probably more prevalent among the IDF than most forces though, because any objective analysis will show that the IDF is one of the least "moral" military forces existing today. No other state gets to be as blatant about it's dehumanization and degradation of an enemy, because no other state gets to wholesale invade another's territory and (perhaps until very recently) have the entire western media line up to defend it's actions.
Put another way, China's erasure of the Uighur population is horrific but you won't see western news sources praising China's actions on that point. I think the carte blanche provided by the US emboldens the IDF in a unique way.
I think that was my next line of thinking too, given the immunity to do anything by the US and it's allies they are emboldened by it.
Some of the stuff posted like wearing women's underwear and playing around with kids toys/bikes (who are likely dead) is some next level perversion but has had little attention in media.
I've just read some pretty genocidal stuff from tablet magazine.
Easier to do questionable shit when you've got a minority as the face.
Amazing mate. Always a pleasure to read your military knowledge
Cheers. Insane idea from the very start. Can only imagine it was done purely for PR.
Decaying empire.
Preach!It’s so depressing knowing none of these people will face the consequences of their evil actions. That sack of shit will be on a reality tv show within a decade
Possible for PR reasons but wouldn’t surprise me if this guy jumped at the chance to do it.
Thanks for writing all this. I think it's actually great context for the thread because it really shows a difference between Dresden which had strategic importance and what the iDF is doing which is just psychopathic war crimes (at best). I think posts like this help out things into historical context which is important. Also enjoyed the white phosphorous discussion. Was much better the previous pages of the troll baiting and the deleted post from the other side.
How is this discussed among the "average" Israeli? It is crazy to me that this could be obvious and just accepted by people. Are people so blinded by blood lust and revenge that they don't care?
I'm probably still naive but on Oct. 8 I expected a different type of response. More Mossad assassinations of Hamas leaders in Qatar and Turkey and less dumb bomb leveling of entire urban areas.
Al-Sahhaf vibes.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjkkj5jejleo
It seems that the last of the most virulent anti-Palestine lot, are losing their minds over a pretty lame and innocuous AI generated "All Eyes On Rafah" image:
It's good to see that supporting the violence has become so politically and socially uncomfortable, to the point where only the most shameless have yet to crawl back under their rocks.
Yep, there are some who are so blinded by blood lust that as long as Bibi provides that, they don't care what his motives are. Some of those are a part of this Netanyahu cult that grew in Israel and others are not in his pocket but are part of the right and just believe in the war and that Israel can and should eliminate Hamas at all cost.
And there are those who want to stop the war, but not enough. And in any event, Netanyahu doesn't care about anything but himself and his coalition.
Are Miller & Kirby coloured?
" Israel won’t end war for deal to free all hostages, PM’s aide said to tell families "
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What does the sifting mean? They’re checking it for contraband?
It means a country of 10 million people is mocking the world, including the United States of America!
This is not the first video showing that. There was another video of another Israeli soldier the other day mocking the U.S.
Ungrateful people!
Mimicking flour preparation, some places they sift before using get rid of larger clumps or other debris.
There's nothing genuine about these videos other than psychological torture of their victims and a middle finger to the UN in this instance.
They are mocking everyone. No respect to anyone. You could send them 100 billion dollars, defend them at the Security Council and literally fight alongside them, and they will still make fun of you. Ungrateful!