Israel is an evil state. Pure and simple. It's an entirely asymmetrical relationship between the Israelis (aided by the US and others) and the Palestinians and they are taking full advantage to maximize the bloodshed.
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Interesting how some are treating this as some sort of asymmetrical war, it's basically a state of the art army against guys with AKs and RPGs, this is no conventional 'war' by any means.
As others pointed out IOF have historically shown they have no regard to Palestinian civilian life, trying to make excuses for them at this stage is laughable.
As others pointed out IOF have historically shown they have no regard to Palestinian civilian life, trying to make excuses for them at this stage is laughable.
Or Israel's numbers.
Most of them popping in with their clever takes won't have even seen a minimal amount of the crimes Israel has commited.
There is no way you can watch these war crimes unfold and then claim it's Israel being baited. It's not just that though all the hateful rhetoric spoken by key Israeli figures is barely covered in most media.
Only psychopaths will make excuses for them at this point after all what we have been seeing for the past 7 months.
Are YOU ashamed of your poor comprehension skills? I very clearly blamed Hamas and Israel for civilian deaths. How that translated in your head "its the fault of the civilians that they die" is beyond me.Look what you made me do to you.
Are you not ashamed of the victim blaming?
Which don't make any sense considering numerical logical. According to Israel's own Hamas casualty figures, coupled to internationally recognised figures regarding the total numbers of casualties, by Israel's logic every male casualty has been a Hamas one.
I'm feeling good now. The Biden administration is trying its best, folks... give them a bit more time and they will succeed. Maybe 8 more months... stay tuned.
I know exactly what you are doing. You are shifting the blame from the criminals who are purposefully pressing the shoot buttons to "Hamas" who are "hiding between the civilians". It is a very known concealed evil tactic to paint the Palestinian civilians as legitimate target.
Give your head a fecking wobble with your evil logic of "Israel fell in the trap", are you not ashamed?
Which doesn't change the fact Hamas encourages them at every opportunity. Without the slightest care for the civilian cost. Neither side truly cares for those civilians. That much is clear
Yes. Or they could be just lying.
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feck Israel. End apartheid, end the occupation, free Palestine.
Except Hamas are a minor factor in this decades long crisis, always have been. How would you explain the daily murders, land grabs and arson attacks in the West Bank? Or the perpetual subjugation, displacement and oppression of the Palestinians prior to Hamas even existing in the history books? You can attempt to weigh in as much culpability on Hamas as you like, but the fact is their very existence is a mere symptom of the colonial clusterfeck Israel and it's allies have cultivated in the region since 1948. And even if Hamas disappear, they'll be replaced with something else assuming this status quo persists.
That may well be true, but only one side is killing them by the thousands and it isn't hamas.
No, according to him, it's also on Hamas, because they made "Israel fall into their trap". Poor Netanyahu, did not know what was he doing the past 7 months.
This reminds me of the following: when the left wing (in any country) votes for bad/far left politicians, it's the left's fault. When the right wing votes for bad/far right politicians, it's also the left's fault.
Even the trap argument is silly.
If a bloke hits me with a stone on the street expecting me to answer, but then grabs his child to shield himself, only in his mind will that be a trap. For me it won't because even if I'm ready to respond in kind, when I see the child I will simply not do it.
You need to have a very cruel mindset to even see this as a trap.
Dirty Palestinians baiting the settlers into attacking them and burning their olive groves. If only the Palestinians weren't there then you'd see the real kumbaya peacenik settlers.
Was it Haaretz that published an article saying that Hamas laid a genocide trap for Israel?
Why does the bothsidesism crowd like to remove as much responsibility as possible from Israel? They are the oppressors and the entity with all the power after all.
Why does the bothsidesism crowd like to remove as much responsibility as possible from Israel? They are the oppressors and the entity with all the power after all.
Is there any point nitpicking over the exact death toll and whether its a scientifically accurate measurement with empirical evidence?
It's "A whole shit tonne of people have been killed" vs "a even greater shittonne of people have been killed."
Is this "lesser" value supposed to make things okay somehow?
It's "A whole shit tonne of people have been killed" vs "a even greater shittonne of people have been killed."
Is this "lesser" value supposed to make things okay somehow?
We've had people in this thread comparing numbers to other genocides to minimize this one, so for some people it seems to make a difference.
True. Yet only one side are actually related to the victims. So in my view their crime is worse. You don't willfully sic blood thirsty psychos on your kin just to score political pr victory.
Don't put words in my mouth.
I don't understand, not caring for palestinians is a worse crime than actually killing them?
Perhaps in the past. But since 2000 Hamas has been a factor in chief and they utterly relish it. People should stop trying to paint them as victims.
A history of inter ethnic hatred in the area since the UK abdicated its responsibility as admintrator of the region after world war two. Right now one side bears the brunt of the cruelty because it was on the losing side of 3 bitter wars fueled by that hatred.
On that we agree. I completely blame the Allies who won world war II the most for the entire tragedy of 7+ decades in the area.
Anyone can translate, please?!
Before October they were actually killing them, so the point doesn't even make sense.
No the world began on Oct 7, you're mistaken.
Who should value the lives more? Those related to them? Or murderers out for their very lives?
Using numbers from opposing sides to arrive at a conclusion that the civilian-combatant death ratio is favorable... It's laughable stuff, nothing to do with being uninformed.
This below is the rubbish you posted:
[No, according to him, it's also on Hamas, because they made "Israel fall into their trap"]
[Poor Netanyahu, did not know what was he doing the past 7 months.]
Which has nothing to do with what I said. So insist. Don't put words in my mouth.
That's why I don't know what to think about the people making these arguments. The blood thirsty psychos are not hidden, their leaders are in the government and israeli media mention them fairly regularly though they call them far right activists instead of murdering terrorists which admittedly could be why some are confused.
Incidentally, on an abstract level, I agree.
Does it really matter? Israel commits massacre after massacre. There is cleansing after cleaning, atrocity after atrocity, land taken after land taken.
As a country, they are beyond the pale and need bringing to heel. Of course they won't be because the western created world order will not allow it.
The point is however that yes, that is exactly what people are doing. You've got people literally in the last page agreeing that killing kids can be legal so *shoulder shrug *. Another poster comparing the civilian to combatant ratio to the Mosul ISIS fight favourably.
Yeah it shouldn't matter. In an ideal world, it wouldn't. In a world where Israel acts with impunity, where the people being killed are less human, and where the primary international backer is essentially the only country with any real strength, it does.
I don't remember even bringing up October 7th in my post. Hamas Rocket launching attacks from civilian areas knowing exactly what the eventual outcome will be is a tactic over 2 decades old.