Today I learned that Bezalel Smotrich’s great-grandfather fought in the Ottoman army during the First World War:
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It would reaffirm that the rules of the international order are made by the great powers not international organizations.
As one of the comments approvingly says, "Victory Through Strength!"
@Giggsy PO you responded to other posts but not this one.
As a US taxpayer, this is my responsibility too. This is where my taxes go. And I've done nothing about it.
I feel your pain/anger/frustration/you name it. I’m in the same situation. What we see in this video is wrong on so many levels. I pay taxes to defend our country and our allies, not to spray people like that while smoking cigarettes.
The video also illustrates how Israelis never considered Palestinians humans. What a terrible mentality.
Spanish defence minister says Gaza war is 'real genocide'
https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...er-says-gaza-war-is-real-genocide-2024-05-25/
TicToc warriors, the IDF reminds me of the Chechen troops filming themselves at the beginning of the Ukraine war. Disguisting fecking retardic cnuts.
Uncivilized.
Hamas are terrible terrorists, and you have zero expectations of them. But for an army to behave this way? Disgusting indeed.
There is no surprise you have zero awareness and empathy to rise of antisemitism around the world. To you it is just a phrase which is used by Zionist to brush of any criticism of Israel. And any report about it you will dismiss as propaganda.
Lets entertain idea we will not make made up premises based on absurd arguments. Nobody is arguing what you said. Nakba happened as a result of war started by Arabs, which they lost. Funny you didnt bother to provide historical examples when loosing side of war lost territory. And lets not forget ethnic cleansing of Jews from the Arab world as consequence.
Any means necessary is not a disgraceful sentence but principle implemented in real life on October 7 by people that hold power. The scope of attack was only limited by their current power. And "random people" celebrated October 7 as big victory only a few days later.
Yeah, comes to mind? You googled that and used first source from wikipedia. You are not very familiar with the issue I guess. Otherwise you would never list Iran as Arab country. If it was just a negligence type of mistake, I apologize. Israeli society is far for perfect, it has it problems. As any society does. What is funny how you describe its shortcommings in great detail but vice versa you only generally state Jews have officially the same rights. That made me chuckle. And "not as much before" you simply say yes. How much is enough for you to be concerned about it? Jewish population in Arab countries diminished to the level of statistical error. While population of 48 Arabs in Israel increased by 1200 %. Did you ever ponder why?
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What’s your point? Jews mostly chose to leave these. They weren’t forced to leave 70-80 years ago. When Jews were facing the Holocaust in Europe, they were generally well treated in the Arab world, particularly in places like Morocco and other North African nations.There is no surprise you have zero awareness and empathy to rise of antisemitism around the world. To you it is just a phrase which is used by Zionist to brush of any criticism of Israel. And any report about it you will dismiss as propaganda.
Lets entertain idea we will not make made up premises based on absurd arguments. Nobody is arguing what you said. Nakba happened as a result of war started by Arabs, which they lost. Funny you didnt bother to provide historical examples when loosing side of war lost territory. And lets not forget ethnic cleansing of Jews from the Arab world as consequence.
Any means necessary is not a disgraceful sentence but principle implemented in real life on October 7 by people that hold power. The scope of attack was only limited by their current power. And "random people" celebrated October 7 as big victory only a few days later.
Yeah, comes to mind? You googled that and used first source from wikipedia. You are not very familiar with the issue I guess. Otherwise you would never list Iran as Arab country. If it was just a negligence type of mistake, I apologize. Israeli society is far for perfect, it has it problems. As any society does. What is funny how you describe its shortcommings in great detail but vice versa you only generally state Jews have officially the same rights. That made me chuckle. And "not as much before" you simply say yes. How much is enough for you to be concerned about it? Jewish population in Arab countries diminished to the level of statistical error. While population of 48 Arabs in Israel increased by 1200 %. Did you ever ponder why?
Once Israel was established, many Jews, from all over the world, wanted to move there. You had those who wanted to live in a Jewish majority country, and you had those who wanted to move to what they excepted to be a richer country economically. They didn’t leave Morocco because of prosecutions.
Out of curiosity, how does your post square with this?
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jewish-refugees-from-arab-countries?utm_content=cmp-true
I said mostly. Jews mostly chose to leave.
And let me remind you that Israel has destroyed many Arab villages around that time, and many became refugees. That’s the Nakba. You, however, write about the 2 million Arabs, who chose to stay. Do you know what those two million have endured since 1948? Did you hear about the military rule in Arab towns in Israel?
@Giggsy PO is there any particular reason you keep ignoring this?
I think you're confusing me for someone else. I've not talked about 2 million Arabs choosing to stay. You're mixing me up with somebody else.
Anyway, you also said this even though the source explicitly mentioned Morocco. Mind, I'm not well-versed in the history of Jews migrating to Israel post WW2 but it was relatively easy to find something that somewhat contradicts what you said.
Fair enough. Apologize for confusion about the situation of Arabs in Israel.
No one says that things were great, and we should remember that the Nazi regime had its influence in North Africa too. The creation of the State of Israel added to tensions, but the situation of the Jewish community in North Africa wasn’t that bad to cause the mass migration to Israel.
Others here are welcomed to correct me. Regardless, this is not the main topic here.
No problem, and again, I'm not well-versed in that specific history either. Other sources may suggest something else or provide a more nuanced view with regards to Jewish migration out of Arab countries post-WW2.
This is true, whilst there were Jews that no doubt faced an unjust backlash following the creation of Israel, most weren't kicked out like Israeli propogandists like to portray. It's nothing like the Nakba, a completely false equivalence. In fact there were even some instances where Israeli intelligence were covertly attacking Jews in Arab countries to encourage Jews to migrate.
There's a really good book titled 'three worlds memoirs of an arab-jew' on the subject..
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This came at a very good time.
The land was just resting in my account.
Do you have me on ignore?
You guys always play the civilised world card but this isn't the 1500 anymore, you don't get to conolize land and kick out the inhabitants just because you win a war. The civilised world has moved on from that. This guy also seems to have amensia of all the illegal West Bank settlements.
I did a fairly detailed post on the flight from Iraq here, which also deals with the recent claims made by Avi Shlaim (referenced above by @2mufc0).
The key thing to keep in mind is that while the general context of the Jewish migration from the Arab states was the growth of Arab hostility towards them in the midst of the rise of Arab and other forms of state nationalism and the confrontation with Zionism over Palestine, circumstances were different in each case with the course of events contingent on local political factors. To take the five North African states, Jews in Morocco and Tunisia faced comparatively less hostile environments than those in Libya and Egypt, although particular moments of political crisis helped prompt the general departure of the Jews. Algerian Jews left along with the pieds-noirs upon the conclusion of the War of Independence there, with most going to France rather than Israel.
To say that most Jews chose to leave may be technically true - there was no real case of outright expulsion or ethnic cleansing, and the appeal of Zionism did help prompt many Jews to leave within the broad context outlined above. However in several Arab states - I would say Iraq, Syria, Egypt and Libya most clearly - conditions were made so difficult for the Jews as to preempt the need for any such action, and the goal was quite clearly to ensure their departure and seize their assets.
In North Yemen the condition of the Jews had remained unchanged in many aspects since medieval times, and right up to the mid-20th century they were subject to discriminatory dhimmi laws and persecution - it was probably the worst Arab state for Jews, in the context of being the most backward Arab state generally.
(edit): just to add, according to Yezid Sayigh, in the late 1960s Fateh asked the Arab states to allow their former Jewish citizens the right to reclaim their citizeship and property, in the hope it might spark a wave of "reverse emigration" from Israel.
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Specially a war that they started in 1967.
Ha!!I see you are unfamiliar with his work.
So because he tied himself in a knot and inadvertently used a historical example that actually backs up the protestors, he's going to just totally ignore it?
Ohhhh, you get it now. He runs away when cornered with facts.
I'll just imagine him struggling with a David Mitchell style "Are we the baddies?" moment.
Kinda hilarious that he provided them himself though.
Einat Wilf, former labor MK, now has abandoned her hippy past and grown up:
I agree with her on one thing - Hamas does represent a large swathe of Palestinians. As for the rest, not just does that justify Oct 7, it would justify nuking Tel Aviv too. But a good reminder that opposition to Bibi in Israel means many different things!