What do you think Hamas have lied about since the conflict started?
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More Biden PR or a significant step?
The question is what do I think they *haven't* lied about.
This isn't putting Hamas on a pedastal for this stuff by the way - it's wartime, it's in every parties best interests to lie, or atleast dress the truth with 6 layers of embelishment.
I say this as someone who fully acknowledges that most of the shit that comes out of AFU are also lies, and most of the shit that comes out of Israel, is also lies.
PR obviously
Boeing-made. He's doing them a massive favour.
I know this was tongue in cheek, but Boeing military stuff is of exponentially higher quality than their civilian airliners. They're practically separate entities.
Well, they both do a job at killing civilians
I'm a little confused.
The missiles US has given Ukraine are legacy ones that are being replaced by different platform altogether, (or in the case of AM-RAAM's, they have so many it's flooding out of its arse with them)
They don't really give any missiles to Israel.
Been widely reported in Israeli media this week that Israel is no longer opposed to releasing him (e.g.https://m.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-799811)
(edit): here is the original Asharq al-Awsat report on it -https://asharq.com/politics/87264/مروان-البرغوثي-على-رأس-قائمة-الأسرى-المحررين-في-صفقة-غزة/
Palestinian Authority is denying they’re opposed, of course -https://aawsat.com/العالم-العربي/المشرق-العربي/5005046-القيادة-الفلسطينية-تنفي-اتهامات-بعرقلة-الإفراج-عن-البرغوثي
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From one group of mercenaries to another.
You yourself posted a source that claimed an Israeli soldier was a pedo based on his social media caption which was in Hebrew. Amir pointed out the caption didn't say what the tweeting account claimed it said.
Also, photos of dead children have been retweeted by Ilhan Omar which turned out to be from the war in Syria.
Several experts have claimed this conflict produced the most misinformation they had ever seen up to this point. However, you won't see me saying it's only the pro-Palestinian side that posts misinformation.
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fecker has lost the plot.
He keeps mentioning the October 7th massacre in his speeches. I get that, but since then thousands of Palestinians, many women and children, have been killed by Israel. Maybe a word or two for them, Joe?
Will probably speak about it after he loses the election. Though even then i wouldn't hold my breath for it.
He won't, his contempt for Arabs and Palestinians has been documented for decades. He was making similar genocidal stateements in the 80s to the ones you have been hearing from Israeli politicians in the last 7 months.
Didn't know about that, thanks! Makes the "ancient hatred" comment even more amusing
Being a compassionate human being costs him votes or something.
Well, they can't admit they've been breaking US law for seven months.
Thanks.
Interesting that Israel changed their stance. I wonder if their plan is, in the unlikely series of events that involves Palestinian election and him winning, to then say we can't do business with this convicted terrorist, as usual there is nobody to negotiate with, etc.
Either way Abbas is a real snake.
hey don't worry he's committed to a 2-state solution
Quality control - Western Zionist Media - Really?
I’m not saying there isn’t any misinformation - but I am drawing an equivalence we’re seeing in misinformation in social media and what we’re seeing from US and Israeli official spokesperson and the Western Zionist media. We’ve had Biden on record say he’s seen 40 beheaded babies, we’ve seen others talk about mass rapes, babies found in ovens, then there’s the gaslighting, and deflection etc etc.
There’s no real difference between that and what social media is saying. And the irony of it all is we have Blinken saying they want to ban Tik Tok because Israel and the US is losing the media war. Which implicitly suggests that live accounts and Palestinian voices on social media are documenting real time the genocide amongst other things.
Nobody wants his pitty words. Any decent human being with a little bit of compassion should ignore anything Biden or any US politician say.
"More striking is an anecdote from a moment similar to the current one, in the early 1980s. Israel’s bombing of Beirut, framed by Israel as self-defense, was condemned for its brutality around the world. Even President Ronald Reagan told off the Israelis at the time, telling Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin he was perpetrating a “holocaust” and that the bombing had to end. When Begin visited D.C. that year, he received pushback from senators over Israel’s conduct and killings of civilians.
One young senator, Begin recalled, stood out in contrast for his unreserved support for Israel’s military strikes even if it meant killing women and children. That was Senator Joseph R. Biden of Delaware. Begin was so shocked he had to disassociate himself from Biden’s remarks. A few months later, Israeli military–backed militias would carry out the gruesome Sabra and Shatila massacre in Beirut.
Let that sink in for a moment: Biden then was not only to the right of Ronald Reagan when it came to protecting Palestinian life, he was to the right of Menachem Begin. Today, he still is"
Do you think this guy will ever speak, he is worse than Israeli right wingers, he hates Arabs more than Trump. That is why every Arab or Muslim in the US should not vote for him abd stay home. They should not be complicit in genocide.
I agree with this 100%. But again, they don't shut down the new york time when they spread missinformation. Neither they cancel or impeach or whatever the feck they can do to Biden when he claimed that the 40 beheaded babies were true. Sure there is misinformation in Tik tok. But also in FB and Instragram and any other social media and blatantly in TVs and newspapers
Tik tok might receive more flak because of China ties? Maybe. That Tiktok is less controlled bye the US government and can control the misinformation from the pro-palestinian side and spread misinformation from the pro-Israelian side from other Social media platforms, TV and newspapers? my opinion is yes.
They don't mind (and even promote) miss information when is from the pro-israelian side, what they don't like is the misinformation (and reliable information also) that they can't control. And that is AGAIN, fecking double standards and hypocrisy
Exactly.
A range of xanax addicted presser secretaries are put forward nightly to express concern and talk about complexity. Meanwhile Biden thinks he is in a real life Tolkien book.
Given the decisions made and the rhetoric coming out of the white house it seems like he's more than willing to risk the election to support Israel.
Kill as many civilians as you want. We laugh at the world who believes our stupid lies and shit about human rights.
Of course, for Biden, blind support of Israel is ideological.
This is what many democratic voters fail to see. They are so used to politics being a game of numbers, pragmatism and calculations exclusively based on winning, they forget what it's like when politicians really believe in something. Biden is not supporting israel because he thinks it will get him votes, because his strategists tell him it's the best for his numbers or any bs like that. He supports israel because he believes in the zionist project for that area, it's as clear as day right now and the attempts at rationalization get more desperate by the day.
At least they will always have one last card to play: "yeah but trump would be worse". At this point, regarding palestine, given that trump believes in absolutely nothing, I'm not convinced he would be worse.
A range of xanax addicted presser secretaries are put forward nightly to express concern and talk about complexity. Meanwhile Biden thinks he is in a real life Tolkien book.
TBH I've said all along that I understand and would probably agree with those who vote for him as a lesser of two evils, but after this speech, feck him. Rot in hell. Irredeemable piece of shit. "Motivated by ancient hatreds" and "protestors are anti-semitic."
Trump will end my career aspirations in the US in multiple different ways, but he might put Biden in jail for some Hunter-related BS, and that's a small measure of justice in this world.
Is that not the case though, when it comes to Hamas?
I mean, they're not as explicit about it as the Houthi's but...
This is an extract of article 7 of the Hamas Charter and this is about as defining as it gets when it comes to motivations that come from ancient hatreds (and I mean ancient, try 1300 years ago ancient)