So you were fine with humiliation of the Gazans as long as you were able to live comfortably. You should really try reading back some of your takes and ask the question "are we the baddies?".
https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/03/1...fare-misinformation/?tpcc=recirc_latest062921Israel has followed a four-pronged strategy in its information warfare:
- emphasize the horrors of the Oct. 7 massacre;
- discredit pro-Palestinian voices and justify the bombing of Gaza;
- limit the flow of information about the conflict coming out of Gaza;
- and rally the Israeli public by advertising its military prowess and destruction of Gaza.
Israelis knew. They just figured out that it wouldn't be a major issue and that the govenment knew what it was doing. Once in a while we had a military operation in Gaza and rockets were fired towards Israel, but it didn't cause great damage or many fatalities due to the Iron Dome system. It didn't interfere with lives in Israel too much.
I knew it's a weird sort of existance, but we became used to it.
So, you have the Israeli government and security forces routinely murdering, imprisoning, abusing and humiliating the Palestinian population whilst you merrily go about your life. You now know this, like you say. Yet you're still some how surprised that the Gazans chose to rise up against Israel? And you think the solution to this is to flatten Gaza and murder anyone that gets in the way?I certainly wouldn't call Israel ''the good guys'.
I'd say most Israelis weren't particularly informed over the years about what's going on in Gaza, as the media didn't report it - just like it hasn't reported much about it for the past five months.
Now, would Israelis have cared had they known? Probably not.
I am sorry, but Israelis should think again, subjugating the Palestinians will never make them safe. It is only when you offer them a real chance of living as equals by giving them a full sovereign state you will feel safe.
So, you have the Israeli government and security forces routinely murdering, imprisoning, abusing and humiliating the Palestinian population whilst you merrily go about your life. You now know this, like you say. Yet you're still some how surprised that the Gazans chose to rise up against Israel? And you think the solution to this is to flatten Gaza and murder anyone that gets in the way?
So why are you in here defending Israel to the extent that you have been?Me personally? No. Other Israelis - many Israelis - yes.
So why are you in here defending Israel to the extent that you have been?
So do you think that the people of Gaza should just put up and shut up whilst the IDF come in and "mow the lawn" every few years? If you're a Gazan pre October 7th, what do you think you would do? Would you be happy to suffer in silence, watching your friends and family being murdered, their homes being demolished and not ever being allowed to leave?Because there's absolutely no justification for the October 7 attacks. Because the ignorance and indifference of many Israelis don't mean they deserve to be hurt or become refugees in their own country. And because while a lot of what's been written here in this thread about Israel is true, some of it is not.
The problem is that even if I agree with 90% of the things, I'm being attacked for the 10% I disagree with. I'm even being attacked if I try to convey the thoughts of the the average Israeli, if people here don't like what they read.
So do you think that the people of Gaza should just put up and shut up whilst the IDF come in and "mow the lawn" every few years? If you're a Gazan pre October 7th, what do you think you would do? Would you be happy to suffer in silence, watching your friends and family being murdered, their homes being demolished and not ever being allowed to leave?
@Amir : - i can see you're answering questions here and that is really helpful as someone who goes on Twitter and doesn't get many answers.
What do you or other Israelis think about Oct 7th re. the response time as well as the info wars and the way the world see's the Palestinian's now?
Because there's absolutely no justification for the October 7 attacks. Because the ignorance and indifference of many Israelis don't mean they deserve to be hurt or become refugees in their own country. And because while a lot of what's been written here in this thread about Israel is true, some of it is not.
The problem is that even if I agree with 90% of the things, I'm being attacked for the 10% I disagree with. I'm even being attacked if I try to convey the thoughts of the the average Israeli, if people here don't like what they read.
The Israeli government also backed Hamas, as others have already mentioned.No, I don't think they need to put up and shut up. And I can understand the violent response. As former PM Ehud Barak said once - had he been a Palestenian, he would have become a terrorist.
But what did the October 7 attacks achieve for the people in Gaza (not that they themselves initiated them)?
I would also point out that while Israelis have voted for the (pretty evil) Netanyahu time and time again, the people of Gaza elected Hamas the last time they held elections - which, admittedly, was a long time ago.
The Israeli government also backed Hamas, as others have already mentioned.
To answer what it has achieved, finally the world has woken up to the evil of the Israeli occupation. People are no longer believing the smears of antisemitism for the slightest criticism of Israel. Its looking like international pressure is finally mounting to a significant enough degree so that we can start making progress towards a Palestinian state.
It's really giving the Zone of Interest vibes here.This picture will make Amir more peaceful tonight. That's all that matters.
A new American intelligence assessment released on Monday raised doubts about whether Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel could stay in power, as the C.I.A. director said a hostage deal was the most practical way to halt, at least temporarily, the war in Gaza.
The 2024 Annual Threat Assessment expressed concerns about Israel’s vision for the end of the war and said that Mr. Netanyahu’s right-wing coalition “may be in jeopardy.”
“Distrust of Netanyahu’s ability to rule has deepened and broadened across the public from its already high levels before the war, and we expect large protests demanding his resignation and new elections,” the report said. “A different, more moderate government is a possibility.”
The report predicted that Israel would struggle to achieve its goal of “destroying Hamas.”
“Israel probably will face lingering armed resistance from Hamas for years to come, and the military will struggle to neutralize Hamas’s underground infrastructure, which allows insurgents to hide, regain strength and surprise Israeli forces,” the report said.
Tensions between President Biden and Mr. Netanyahu have flared in recent days over Israel’s planned military operations in Rafah in southern Gaza. But the intelligence report, prepared over months, was written before the most recent tensions.
Fair enough, my last point was extremely optimistic but the first 2, definitely.Keep dreaming
Fair enough, my last point was extremely optimistic but the first 2, definitely.
We need to keep pushing then, make sure that people don't forget what's happened. Make sure that everyone knows who to blame.Yes, but inconsequential. Israel will keep pushing through with 100% US support. Is the law of the strongest. Will be time to rewrite history and see empty apologies for committing a genocide
Palestinian medical staff in Gaza have told the BBC they were blindfolded, detained, forced to strip and repeatedly beaten by Israeli troops after a raid at their hospital last month.
Ahmed Abu Sabha, a doctor at Nasser hospital, described being held for a week in detention, where, he said, muzzled dogs were set upon him and his hand was broken by an Israeli soldier.
His account closely matches those of two other medics who wanted to remain anonymous for fear of reprisals.
They told the BBC they were humiliated, beaten, doused with cold water, and forced to kneel in uncomfortable positions for hours. They said they were detained for days before being released.
This picture will make Amir more peaceful tonight. That's all that matters.
It surely depends on the situation and what these terms are.
Are Norwegians peaceful? I'd say yes. But how would they react if their country and themselves were under the threat of rocket fire and terrorist attacks? They'd probably want and expect their country to react in urder to assure their safety - even if it means a strong military operation. Would that make them less peaceful?
We need to keep pushing then, make sure that people don't forget what's happened. Make sure that everyone knows who to blame.
On the optimistic side of things and as someone who's been invested in the issue from the beginning, I do have to say that this has made a lot of people wake up to the cold hard facts of Israeli aggression. As someone living in the UK it's quite incredible how the general population views this conflict as compared to even 5 years ago and I'm sure it's the same in the rest of the Western hemisphere.Oh definitely, we need to keep talking about it and denouncing as much as possible. They will achieve their goal, but at least with as much shame as possible. Not that they care though
On the optimistic side of things and as someone who's been invested in the issue from the beginning, I do have to say that this has made a lot of people wake up to the cold hard facts of Israeli aggression. As someone living in the UK it's quite incredible how the general population views this conflict as compared to even 5 years ago and I'm sure it's the same in the rest of the Western hemisphere.
Hopefully it's not too late and international pressure can force a 2 state solution.
@Dumbstar Congrats on your last braindead take and ad hominem attack. You successfully drove off the only poster left from the other side with whom one could have a decent, level-headed discussion. Of all the trees you could've barked up @Amir definitely was the wrong one, and that's the only contribution you've ever brought to the table in this thread.
I'd take one of his posts over tens of yours.
