It was a preemptive strike, so technically you might be right, but the conflict didn't start in 1967. Israel had to act proactively for its own survival.
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It was a preemptive strike, so technically you might be right, but the conflict didn't start in 1967. Israel had to act proactively for its own survival.
We’re not the ones arguing for genocide here. Find it funny that a country borne out of the need to escape genocide uses it as a modus operandi and seemingly forgets that the Arabs did not run the concentration camps.
But yeah carry on my friend - keep being rational.
In case you didn't watch the news it is IDF on one side and Hamas on the other side. Who do you think shoots those missiles from Gaza? The Vatican?
Yeah Hamas was praying in Al-Aqsa when IDF stormed it.
So you don't support the actions of Hamas which include mostly targeting random Israeli civilians and having Israel's destruction as its number one priority?
Bud, there’s no “might be” about it. Israel literally launched a surprise attack. And it wasn’t fighting for survival, it was fighting because of a diplomatic dispute about the Straits of Tiran, which itself dates back to controversy caused by Israel, the UK, and France invading the Sinai during the Suez Crisis of 1956.
He's doing alright.
Why discourage people who represent themselves so poorly?
I spent 2 hours catching up on this thread and apart from the insane back and forth with VB&S I never saw the debate descend into such depths as this last page. edit coupla pages, it's moving fast!
Not sure how reliable danny is but appreciate it.
Speaking of... have you ever heard of the Deir Yassin Massacre?
I do not support any killing of a civilian but asking this question again is a detraction and you know it. If you wanna stand with the opressors stand with them but you're not gonna fool me or anyone with slight understanding of the issue with this.
If Israel wanted peace they could have had it. Also, the guy who lost his mom or kid who lost half his family today isn't exactly going to grow up to be a peace talks negotiator. He is infuriated and will take up arms.
You can also just search children Palestine Israel Wikipedia in Google and there's a big article with many references
So it is rational to call the current situation a genocide? How do you explain the ~2 million Israeli-Arab citizens (around 20%) who have equal rights (besides being drafted to the IDF)? Are they also subject to this 'genocide'?
Also, this is again your disingenuous attempt to make it Israel vs the terrorist hamas. That's not the case here it's Israel aggressors vs unarmed civilian palestinians primarily.
That's the control and ratio they want to achieve in Palestinian dominant towns. Also, these israeli arabs are getting lynched as well.
Sides is the problem.
In every conflict like this each side thinks they are right to the point that their own actions are always justified because the other side is a terrorist or whatever.
Israel are a modern democracy and as such should be the adult in the room but they seem to only want peace on their terms. As the player with far less power Hamas or whoever won't come to the table to negotiate in good faith, and perhaps drop their more extreme views on the existence of Israel, unless Israel take the lead in the process but that doesn't seem likely to happen.
Again the parallel in Northern Ireland is strong. In the end the powerful nation, that the other side considers an occupying force, has to talk to and make peace with people they consider terrorists, who in turn need to talk to and negotiate with the occupiers. Until that happens the cycle of violence will be a perpetual motion machine.
Neither do I.
And you do realize that Israel did want peace and made a lot of sacrifices, right? How exactly can Israel have peace with Hamas, a terrorist organization who fundamentally believes that Israel should be annihilated. I genuinely interested to hear you solution.
And for the last part - you could say the same to the guy who lost his family in a suicide attack, to parents who had their kids lynched on the way home from school, or to the parents of toddlers who were brutally murdered in their sleep by coward terrorist child murdering animals.
Hamas will and does face the music for it's transgressions. Israel does not.
You’re from the US and you’re gonna act like de facto discrimination isn’t a thing?
Can a Palestinian refugee with a legal claim on land in Israel move there yet?
If you don't supper killing of Innocents you can't support IDF.
Hamas would not exist and have no meanings of existence if Israel stopped it's agression and brutal murder.
I did not hear of anything from Hamas until IDF started the agression once again this time around.
That is why peace is in Israeli hands first and foremost. They have all the power and force but you know as well as I do they wish to clean out some of the nasty palestinians first.
What control and ratio are you referring to? Please check the demographics of Israel. And Israeli Jews get equally lynched by Israel Arabs as well, it is the same on both sides. The mixed towns are on a brink of a civil war.
No, he cannot. And yes, discrimination is a thing in Israel. This is a known fact. But to call it a genocide? C'mon.
You're saying you are not supporting Hamas, and yet you justify its existence. And this is why we would never agree and each will stick with its side, and I respect that.
If you refer to my previous post, I specifically mentioned Israeli-Arabs who hold Israeli citizenship. Israel not treating non-citizens equally, why would they? Which country treats non-citizens equally as its own citizens?
Well, quite frankly it’s absolute bullshit that a Palestinian Arab who was forced to flee his property by Israel cannot legally return to his property, but a random person from anywhere in the world claiming Jewish ancestry can come into the country.
Now, that tactic sounds familiar to a student of history. But then again, so too did the Deir Yassin Massacre when I studied it.
Not sure why you bring up that massacre, like I said I don't support any civilian deaths nor radical right wing terrorism on both sides.
And regarding the law of return, yes it might sound bullshit but that's the law of Israel which gives that privileges to Jews only. Many other countries in the world will grant you citizenship based on your ancestry. Israel is a racist country, there is heavy discrimination against non-Jews, and i'm not talking about Arabs only. But this is a whole different topic and is not relevant to its right to defend itself.
I bring it up because it highlights that Israelis have been ethnically cleansing Palestine since before the British Mandate ended. Because that is exactly what they were doing in Deir Yassin that morning.
Yeah, gives privileges to Jews only. So Israel drive an ethnicity out of a place. Then makes a law that doesn’t recognize their right to return to their own land that they took from them when they made them refugees. You’re the one that brought up how great the Arab-Israelis have it over there, so I’m just pointing out that there’d be more of them if they’d let the ones that they made refugees back onto their actual land. But no, like you just said, Israel is a racist country that does lots of discriminatory shit to people it’s got feelings against, including expelling them from their land, not letting them return to it, and replacing them with a favored set of people...
Please, stop me when this starts sounding all too familiar...
Yup. The Islamophobia is really bad here.
Again projecting something totally different than what I said.
There is no justification from me
Germany are condemning Hamas' attacks. Iran are condemning Israeli violence.
Long time ago Gaza has chosen Hamas as their negotiator and basically as their pr agency. They are terrible at it. They have the wrong partners and aids.
There will be limited sympathy for casualties in Gaza from the West. From the West's perspective it was probably about time for these atrocities to happen. They happen from time to time and usually Israel's situation improves after that.
Long time ago Gaza has chosen Hamas as their negotiator and basically as their pr agency. They are terrible at it. They have the wrong partners and aids.
There will be limited sympathy for casualties in Gaza from the West. From the West's perspective it was probably about time for these atrocities to happen. They happen from time to time and usually Israel's situation improves after that.
You are a shameless shameless liar. Today is the first day Of Eid and here I am editing and soon uploading videos of police facilitating the lynching. You absolute coward. If you can’t see this for what it is then all hope is lost for your humanity. I’ve seen you defend the bombing and massacre of kids in other posts.
There are tens of incidents like this on video, all over the country. If you only listen to Israeli TV you will never see our side. The propaganda skills are unbelievable.
You have to understand the severity of the situation. Police and Mobs are entering our homes. I double locked the door last night. I heard and saw the death to Arabs chants by lynch mobs followed by police on horses from my apartment.
there's been major changes in india over the past 50 years, both in the govt and among the people:
https://indianexpress.com/article/r...n-policy-vis-a-vis-palestine-evolved-5058352/
interestingly, some of our hard-right forces wanted to set up a hindu govt in exile from israel:
http://www.riazhaq.com/2009/01/radical-hindu-government-in-israeli.html
This is obviously fake. They would've van knocked before using that throwable.
You'll have to point out to us where he's justifying their existence. Stating they would not exist if Israel stopped it's aggression isn't justifying it. You get there's a significant difference, right?
As someone who is completely uneducated on tactics of war, what is the the point in handing out leaflets and letting citizens know when air strikes are taking place? Surely then any weapons etc are going to be removed by the time the strike happens?
That's quite bizarre.
Good question, I've thought about this too. When they drop a "knock on the roof bomb i've seen the time they give to evacuate is between 5-15 min.
@Carolina Red is a national treasure
It's quite normal, even when it's a military target. It's to be able to make a point without risking dangerous escalation. See the 2020 attack on the al-Asad air base for example.
At least that's normally the reason.
He's a little gem alright.
Hard to
What I see from the outside is that Israel are a terrorist organisation too. Just because you wear uniform doesn't legitimise your guns and bombs.
What I see from the outside is that Israel are a terrorist organisation too. Just because you wear uniform doesn't legitimise your guns and bombs.
"Most humane army on the planet"