Very true, killing 1000's of women and children is OK for these assholes but as soon as you mess with the money the bombs will drop . In a way I think it's a good thing, eventually actions like these will have a consequence and will hopefully one day lead to the cnuts influence being reduced in the region. It won't be easy but eventually they will go out albeit kicking and screaming.
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Great post.
Crazy that not a single one stepped up.
It's already here.
Their morality compass swings in the direction of their own interests. It would've surprised me that one of the freedom merchants actually did step up.
Whatever the outcome, this hearing is still a historic moment. No one dared to so openly stand against Israel, the blow to the reputation of the latter is absolutely massive, and the Palestinian question isn't going away anytime soon.
There's never been case of ongoing genocide that's been so explicitly stated by the perpetrator and so well documented. It will also be the final nail in the western credibility's coffin if Israel is cleared.
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It's funny how Piers Morgan kept asking his pro Palestine guests where the "Nelson Mandela" figure is in all of this war (obviously the white-washed version of him), and here we have Nelson Mandela's grandsons in an international trial where they oppose the atrocities that are happening right now.
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I find it funny how people have no problem with party x using the stick to get what they want but then cry foul when the people with big sticks come in the room to get what they came for.
Is it something specific that's entertaining you so much right now, or is it more like a general observation?
That is one of the most disingenuous and most repulsive takes I've read in this thread.
Said the master, with his whip, to his slave.
It's a general observation. For some it's always ok to use might as long as no one mightier shows up... even recommendable to some. Then when someone else uses their tactic with more capability it's suddenly bloody murder.
Ah.
Why did you feel the need to share that in this thread, what's the relevance to either the Israel-Palestine conflift generally or this thread specifically?
Stellar post. It's beyond repulsive seeing the thought processes of some posters on here.
It was in reference to those claiming the UK/US have no moral right to protect their shipping interests from houthi missiles and helicopters.
Perhaps the wrong thread to make that statement but it was what was being discussed right before my post.
Like this particular post. Just zero factual basis, nonsense strung together from their parent's basement.
Thanks for liking. XO
Who has claimed that the UK/US have no moral right to protect their shipping interests?
During the last decade, hundreds of thousands of people have died due to the Yemeni civil war. Millions displaced. Some people seem to be worried that the US and the UK getting more involved than they already are will make things even worse for the already suffering civilian population. I don't really see the comedy in that.
I mean it's on the previous page of this very thread...
And yes, I didn't say it was a comedy that people are dying. I made my observation about people who have no problem with random civilians being attacked as long as it's somehow marginally in their interest. But thanks for clarifying your own point of view.
No one on the previous page said that the ship attacks were ok, or that the UK and US aren't allowed to defend themselves.
The airstrikes feel very conveniently timed to knock claims of Israeli genocide off the front page don't they. Just a coincide I'm sure.
The Israeli defence has also just blamed twitter and identify politics. 
I'm genuinely surprised that Israel decided to defend the claim of genocide, as their argument that it isn't one was always going to be ridiculous. Assumed they'd take the US/Russia stance of ignoring the ICJ/ICC (even if Israel are signatory to it).
Not like a move like that could discredit them further.
Israel is delusional, the whole country is mentally ill. The accusations they make are just insane.
It's only the most lovely countries that don't recognise the court. China, Russia, Qatar, Israel and the US. Thing is that if the court should rule a cease fire the other countries that do accept and recognise the court can not and should not stand by their support of Israel, that is what I am hoping for. I know Israel won't give a shit about any ruling.
There was a Jewish, genocide/holocaust professor on CNN yesterday that basically obliterated any Israeli argument.
Unfortunately, he said a verdict in favour of South Africa was still unlikely.
Even the former Israeli emissary to the UN blasted Netanyahu and co.
Unfortunately, he said a verdict in favour of South Africa was still unlikely.
Even the former Israeli emissary to the UN blasted Netanyahu and co.
I think Israel does? If they don’t and still went then it’s even more perplexing.
Also don’t think the court will rule for a ceasefire, but rather whether Israel is guilty of genocide. Sadly I think the final judgement might take years.
Agree overall though, hopefully something happens quickly to make moral support of Israel impossible for governments (actual genocide not withstanding).
Only 6 countries do not recognise the court from what I've read, Israelis one of them. The others are US, China, Russia, Libya, Qatar,
I think it is 40, not 6.
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/ro...23 countries party,, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey.
Without wanting to personalize, absolutely agree
Thanks, Must have found a shitty source of info.
Russia and China still have judges at the ICJ, as members of the UNSC. You'd normally think that those two would rule in favor of South Africa just to spite the US and weaken its position on the international scene, but given their own pending charges of genocide, I'm not sure they're willing to open this can of worms. The UK will do as its US master says. So out of the 5 judges of the UNSC, only France could potentially be on South Africa's side. You also have a German judge which is a guaranteed "not guilty", given Germany's uncanny ability to always be on the wrong side of History.
The other ICJ judges come from Australia, Brazil, Jamaica, Japan, India, Lebanon, Morocco, Slovakia, Somalia and Uganda. Plus two from South Africa and Israel. It... doesn't look good.
While the case is more than solid and South Africa would, on the merit of law, win against any other country, geopolitics play here a huge part and I'd be surprised if the Court rules in favor of South Africa. Even it's just for a biding injunction for an immediate cease-fire. Nevertheless, the fact that Israel got dragged before the ICJ is an epic PR disaster and its reputation is now completely tarnished. Palestine is also back on the international menu for a long time.
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If they rule in favour of israel, they will continue and in front of any criticism, they will point towards the veredict of a tribunal that they dont even recognize
If they rule agaibst israel, they will cry antisemistism
If they rule agaibst israel, they will cry antisemistism
Great post.
Ughh I know I said I won't post in here again but one more. This is a video about how Norman Finklestein thinks it'll play out.
Ok, now I'm out!
Edit: found full video and edited the post.
Thanks mate.
Putin also probably doesn't want to burn every bridge with Israel if he can still avoid it. he seemed to very much appreciate the substantial volume of Russian speaking, ex-ussr Israeli's as something of geopolitical worth (and a point of connective pride within his nationalistic outlook), he had a good relationship with Netanyahu in particular, even despite the issues caused by opting to get involved in Syria for Assad. things had only recently turned sour because he's backed himself into a corner with the invasion of Ukraine. Israel didn't care about Crimean annexation and were even relatively slow to fully condemn Russia immediately after the invasion until it became apparent what a military trainwreck it was (and likely significant pressure from the states/ europe).
No Ukraine war and i'm pretty sure he'd be firmly on the Israeli side post-Oct 7th, though likely with some self-serving, fake attempts to appear more humane and eager for ceasefire than the Americans/Germans/Brits.