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Idxomer said:
The countries supporting Genocide
  • Austria
  • Czech Republic
  • Guatemala
  • Liberia
  • Micronesia
  • Nauru
  • Papua New Guinea
  • Paraguay
  • United States
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It's pretty much the same outcome everytime. The US and some tiny Island states they essentially bribe voting against, along with the occasional Euro nation being driven by historic guilt. Rest of the world voting in favour, Europe largely abstaining.

Likewise in the security council with the US vetoing and Britain abstaining, like clockwork everytime.

The whole thing is spectacularly pointless and a waste of time.
 
Kaos said:
It's pretty much the same outcome everytime. The US and some tiny Island states they essentially bribe voting against, along with the occasional Euro nation being driven by historic guilt. Rest of the world voting in favour, Europe largely abstaining.

Likewise in the security council with the US vetoing and Britain abstaining, like clockwork everytime.

The whole thing is spectacularly pointless and a waste of time.
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Yep, it has been decades of this nonsense. They should just fold it at this point.
 
Idxomer said:
The countries supporting Genocide
  • Austria
  • Czech Republic
  • Guatemala
  • Liberia
  • Micronesia
  • Nauru
  • Papua New Guinea
  • Paraguay
  • United States
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What a bunch of cnuts.
 
Raoul said:
That would've worked if they went into Israel on 10.7 and kidnapped a few Israelis and the Israelis responded with bombing, after which negotiations would've begun and probably ended in them getting their hostages back in exchange for hundreds of Palestinian prisoners.

As it stands today, the amount of damage done in Israel on 10.7 will result in the complete destruction of Hamas in Gaza followed by a probable Israeli occupation, so there likely won't be a meaningful or relevant Hamas in Gaza for new members to join.

Hamas did get a couple of things out of this. They got a temporary pause in the Israel-Saudi normalization deal, which had it been implemented, would've been bad business in terms of Arab support for Hamas; particularly as the Israelis are also normalizing relations with Arab states through the Abraham Accords (which included Bahrain, UAE, Morocco, and Sudan). They also did manage to bring the Palestinian issue back into the news, but not in any meaningful or productive way to their goals, particularly as they themselves are probably not going to exist for much longer.
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Whether or not they join Hamas is a moo tpoint. They're creating a whole new generation of young Palestinians who will want to fight Israel.
 
Kaos said:
It's pretty much the same outcome everytime. The US and some tiny Island states they essentially bribe voting against, along with the occasional Euro nation being driven by historic guilt. Rest of the world voting in favour, Europe largely abstaining.

Likewise in the security council with the US vetoing and Britain abstaining, like clockwork everytime.

The whole thing is spectacularly pointless and a waste of time.
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Something is hitting different tonight. We (in Sweden) have the most pro-Israel government we’ve ever had in our recent history and they still switched tonight from “abstain” to a Yeay vote.

17 EU countries voted for this time, compared to only 8 on the previous resolution.… All of EU closest partners in Europe also voted for (Norway, Switzerlan…) and even beyond Europe. I was surprised to see Canada and Australia vote yes. It seems like the US didn’t lobby hard enough this time.


 
Idxomer said:
Nauru doesn't seem real either.

It has 12000 people, you could easily bribe all of them @Kaos.
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Nauru was the island that the Australian government was using as a long-term "detention centre" for asylum seekers. I remember reading some awful reports about the conditions (about ten years ago), but i don't know if there were any repercussions.
 


given that they had time to clear it out and then rig it with explosives, what is the strategic reason to create rubble? would make it hard for tanks to move around. or do they expect hamas to appear in areas they've won and start sniping them from the building or something?
because, if there's no strategic purpose, there is a very obvious other purpose which is in line with their actions and public statements.
 
Idxomer said:
The countries supporting Genocide
  • Austria
  • Czech Republic
  • Guatemala
  • Liberia
  • Micronesia
  • Nauru
  • Papua New Guinea
  • Paraguay
  • United States
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You might as well add the abstainers to the list. To be silent in the face of obvious war crimes and genocide is to be culpable.
 




Two very strange interviews. Although the guy arguing with Douglas Murray is incorrect here. He says "Hibz Ut-Tahrir isn't banned in Germany" when it actually is.
 
Pintu said:
Something is hitting different tonight. We (in Sweden) have the most pro-Israel government we’ve ever had in our recent history and they still switched tonight from “abstain” to a Yeay vote.

17 EU countries voted for this time, compared to only 8 on the previous resolution.… All of EU closest partners in Europe also voted for (Norway, Switzerlan…) and even beyond Europe. I was surprised to see Canada and Australia vote yes. It seems like the US didn’t lobby hard enough this time.


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It ultimately doesn't matter. The general assembly vote is largely a symbolic one that amounts to nothing. The UNSC vote is the one that is remotely binding, but that's always indiscriminately veto'd by the US if its in any way remotely critical of Israel, regardless of the scale and illegality of their actions. The only time the US broke rank was when an outgoing President Obama seemingly decided to go with his conscience as a last hurrah in 2016 and ordered the US to abstain, before giving way to Trump who would up the Israeli pandering tenfold. Considering Biden is looking to get reelected there's no chance he'd upset the Political consensus in the US which is to zealously back Israel, irrespective of whether its in the right or wrong.
 
berbatrick said:


given that they had time to clear it out and then rig it with explosives, what is the strategic reason to create rubble? would make it hard for tanks to move around. or do they expect hamas to appear in areas they've won and start sniping them from the building or something?
because, if there's no strategic purpose, there is a very obvious other purpose which is in line with their actions and public statements.
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They want Gaza to become unhabitable.

The (ethnic cleansing) intent has always been there from the beginning, hence the disproportionate destruction of civilian infrastructures. They used 10/7 as an excuse to fulfill Netanyahu wet dreams, which he openly stated and more than once. They're also purposefully letting the humanitarian crisis grow to put pressure on the neighbouring arab countries. They're still betting on it. Gaza's health system imploded and the lack of hygiene is allowing diseases to run rampant, at an alarming rate. Not counting the woundeds who are dying because of the absence of medical aid and furniture and half of the population starving.

All of it executed by an army of children, women and journalist killers without a single shred of morality, according to the directives of an elected government of racist thugs and land robbers, with the tacit approval of the western freedom merchants.
 
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Former Obama advisors taking another L (at least this time it wasn't the actual advisor themselves, but close enough)...

 
calodo2003 said:
Former Obama advisors taking another L (at least this time it wasn't the actual advisor themselves, but close enough)...

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Terrible behavior. Just terrible and unacceptable. She is basically saying to that student: Muslims/Arabs shouldn’t be in this neighborhood.
 




This is just what manages to reach us, I imagine much worse is happening every day.

Remember that it took decades for the story of their army burning Egyptian captives alive in 1967 to come out.
 
When you take a step back and only read news or threads about this current event, it becomes evident how circular things are. We will be in the same place in 10, 20 or 30 years.
 
Idxomer said:




This is just what manages to reach us, I imagine much worse is happening every day.

Remember that it took decades for the story of their army burning Egyptian captives alive in 1967 to come out.
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Creating far, far more "terrorists" than they are killing.
 
Idxomer said:




This is just what manages to reach us, I imagine much worse is happening every day.

Remember that it took decades for the story of their army burning Egyptian captives alive in 1967 to come out.
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We already knew this at the time, IOF have lost all credibility where nothing they say can be taken at face value.
 


A lot of reports from random twitter accounts at first, then from Gaza journalists, and now AJ has a story.

Video has some interviews and footage of the aftermath but no bodies as far as I can tell

 


perhaps this, and drawing the star of david on a leveled playground, and lighting the candles on evacuated broken homes, isn't the best pr strategy.
 
That_Bloke said:
Quite the incredible support, especially when 45% of the Gazan population is under 15.

Let's nip it in the bud and kill them all. Just to be sure.
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I mean, like every poll ever I think sensible people will interpret it as 70% of those polled rather than extrapolating to infants.

It's quite interesting how flippant and exaggerated responses are to such a video. Kind of proves his point about what is allowed to be said.

I don't find it hard to hold both the view that what Israel is doing in Gaza is unjustifiable and grotesque, and at the same time acknowledge that statistically and demonstrably there are different levels of violence committed in the name of different religions today.
 
Beachryan said:
I mean, like every poll ever I think sensible people will interpret it as 70% of those polled rather than extrapolating to infants.

It's quite interesting how flippant and exaggerated responses are to such a video. Kind of proves his point about what is allowed to be said.

I don't find it hard to hold both the view that what Israel is doing in Gaza is unjustifiable and grotesque, and at the same time acknowledge that statistically and demonstrably there are different levels of violence committed in the name of different religions today.
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You clearly haven't read many of frostbite's posts then.

I also watched another one of his videos. Let's just say I'm not surprised its ended up on frostbite's feed.

Also considering election results in 2006 have been used by quite a few commentators as justification for the current campaign, not sure I agree with the comment regarding sensible people.
 
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frostbite said:
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Excellent video.

Firstly its states clearly why the Palestinians aren't befitting of any sympathy. If 70% of them support Hamas then that essentially makes them legitimate military targets, men, women and children alike. Children are especially key targets since they represent the future ranks of Hamas' abhorrent philosophy.

Secondly it justifies Israel's campaign, since with every passing day of the military campaign, that indisputable 70% figure is chipped away at. If Israel is allowed to see this through they will have essentially reduced that figure to 0% considering they would have destroyed Hamas. Then we can finally have a technocratic new southern Gaza state, with the north being an Israeli buffer zone, guaranteeing peace.
 
Beachryan said:
I mean, like every poll ever I think sensible people will interpret it as 70% of those polled rather than extrapolating to infants.

It's quite interesting how flippant and exaggerated responses are to such a video. Kind of proves his point about what is allowed to be said.

I don't find it hard to hold both the view that what Israel is doing in Gaza is unjustifiable and grotesque, and at the same time acknowledge that statistically and demonstrably there are different levels of violence committed in the name of different religions today.
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His videos seem to be getting more favorable comments than not.
 
pierrethesnack said:
What absolute garbage.

'Europeans are so secular, you don't understand how extreme muslims are'.
'Do you realize they are shouting allahu akbar when they attack jews??'

If this wasn't such a tragedy it would be funny how cringe the Israeli propaganda machine turned out to be.
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Are you saying that Hamas did not shout "allahu akbar" when they were killing Jews?
 
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