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As well as the actual war, there’s an ever evolving online war too… interesting to see how followers of both sides spend ages seeing if posts/videos are real or fake.

Lots of people suggesting that this recently released video is Israeli propaganda (and said poster has apparently already been shown up for this before). If true, I for one am shocked.

https://x.com/avivaklompas/status/1731335430807908717?s=61&t=ZvGzfV2Qafn11jKrPfufuA

As I don’t know whether someone sounds fluent or not (any Arabic speaking Caffites welcome), one of the responses has kindly given an idea of how bad the Arabic/accent allegedly sounds to people who’d know. Queue Kevin Hart…

https://x.com/blues19_05/status/1731841635678318961?s=61&t=ZvGzfV2Qafn11jKrPfufuA

He sounds like he has an accent, but nowhere near the farcical Kevin Hart comparison

You're spot on about the online information war. Both sides are doing whatever they can to gain the upper hand because (for Israelis) they know it can influence policy, and for Palestinians, it can influence demonstrations and general sentiment about the conflict.
 
As well as the actual war, there’s an ever evolving online war too… interesting to see how followers of both sides spend ages seeing if posts/videos are real or fake.

Lots of people suggesting that this recently released video is Israeli propaganda (and said poster has apparently already been shown up for this before). If true, I for one am shocked.

https://x.com/avivaklompas/status/1731335430807908717?s=61&t=ZvGzfV2Qafn11jKrPfufuA

As I don’t know whether someone sounds fluent or not (any Arabic speaking Caffites welcome), one of the responses has kindly given an idea of how bad the Arabic/accent allegedly sounds to people who’d know. Queue Kevin Hart…

https://x.com/blues19_05/status/1731841635678318961?s=61&t=ZvGzfV2Qafn11jKrPfufuA

Not as bad as the Kevin hart comparison but he definitely does not have a levantine or Gulf Arabic accent. Unless the Israeli Beduoins have an accent different to their Egyptian or Gulf equivalents.
 


The White House: “We are concerned about reports regarding Israel's use of white phosphorus.”

It's beyond a parody at this point.
 
That would've worked if they went into Israel on 10.7 and kidnapped a few Israelis and the Israelis responded with bombing, after which negotiations would've begun and probably ended in them getting their hostages back in exchange for hundreds of Palestinian prisoners.

As it stands today, the amount of damage done in Israel on 10.7 will result in the complete destruction of Hamas in Gaza followed by a probable Israeli occupation, so there likely won't be a meaningful or relevant Hamas in Gaza for new members to join.

Hamas did get a couple of things out of this. They got a temporary pause in the Israel-Saudi normalization deal, which had it been implemented, would've been bad business in terms of Arab support for Hamas; particularly as the Israelis are also normalizing relations with Arab states through the Abraham Accords (which included Bahrain, UAE, Morocco, and Sudan). They also did manage to bring the Palestinian issue back into the news, but not in any meaningful or productive way to their goals, particularly as they themselves are probably not going to exist for much longer.
There might be no Hamas, but there will tens of small Hamas. The Palestinians will not sit and watch the occupiers humiliate them every day without any pushback.
 
It worked in afghanistan, so why not here?
Installing puppets in Gaza controlled by the Israeli government, yeah good luck with that. How can anyone think that this will work? these installed people wont even feel safe to go on the streets of Gaza giving the hatred created by this war, almost every singel family have lost one or more civilian if not entire families.
 
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As well as the actual war, there’s an ever evolving online war too… interesting to see how followers of both sides spend ages seeing if posts/videos are real or fake.

Lots of people suggesting that this recently released video is Israeli propaganda (and said poster has apparently already been shown up for this before). If true, I for one am shocked.

https://x.com/avivaklompas/status/1731335430807908717?s=61&t=ZvGzfV2Qafn11jKrPfufuA

As I don’t know whether someone sounds fluent or not (any Arabic speaking Caffites welcome), one of the responses has kindly given an idea of how bad the Arabic/accent allegedly sounds to people who’d know. Queue Kevin Hart…

https://x.com/blues19_05/status/1731841635678318961?s=61&t=ZvGzfV2Qafn11jKrPfufuA
He does not even speak well Arabic. FFS.
 
Not as bad as the Kevin hart comparison but he definitely does not have a levantine or Gulf Arabic accent. Unless the Israeli Beduoins have an accent different to their Egyptian or Gulf equivalents.
He does not even articulate himself well in Arabic.
 
Its the Israeli way of saying secular governance with strong democratic institutions (and of course containing no Israel hating parties with political platforms seeking to destroy them).

a technocracy usually does not mean strong democratic institutions since they are damaging to the rule of the better-qualified class who run things. for example, singapore, and some of the post-mao chinese govts.
i'm going to be bold and suggest that having strong democratic institutions for a govt in gaza will not be in israel's best interest and will not help in reducing "israel-hating parties".

the part about secularism is also debatable. among the arab parties within israel, the conservative islamist party denounced all armed struggle, while the left-secular party, which usually elects one jewish MP has a leader who supported the first intifada. only the islamist party has ever been a part of the israeli govt. but of course in israel-controlled territories, the dynamic is reversed.
 
Installing puppets in Gaza controlled by the Israeli government, yeah good luck with that. How can anyone think that this will work? these installed people wont even feel safe to go on the streets of Gaza giving the hatred created by this war, almost every singel family have lost one or more civilian if not entire families.
I was being sarcastic, we just need to see who's in charge of afghanistan right now. These puppet attempts are nothing but a band aid, as the israelis will find out if they try it.
 
i'm going to be bold and suggest that having strong democratic institutions for a govt in gaza will not be in israel's best interest and will not help in reducing "israel-hating parties".

This presumes a continuation of Netanyahu style divide and conquer governance in Israel, which given where he's polling, isn't likely to happen. Gantz, for instance, is trouncing Bibi and would easily win if an election were held today and would have different policy positions on Palestinians and beyond.
 
This presumes a continuation of Netanyahu style divide and conquer governance in Israel, which given where he's polling, isn't likely to happen. Gantz, for instance, is trouncing Bibi and would easily win if an election were held today and would have different policy positions on Palestinians and beyond.

gantz, as IDF chief during the 2012 and 2014 bombings, as former PM, and as current member of the war cabinet, has not shown any signs that he has major disagreements with longstanding Israeli positions and practices with respect to Palestine.
 
gantz, as IDF chief during the 2012 and 2014 bombings, as former PM, and as current member of the war cabinet, has not shown any signs that he has major disagreements with longstanding Israeli positions and practices with respect to Palestine.

Rabin was also a General and wound up in the Labor party and was assassinated because he was a bit too liberal for some. Gantz is viewed as a centrist, so its highly unlikely he will mirror Netanyahu's policies just as Lapid didn't.
 


Good article. Sinwar's commitment to release every Palestinian from Israeli jails seems to have backfired spectacularly as the Israelis have been taking more prisoners at a 2 to 1 ratio to those they've given back to Hamas in hostage swaps.

The bit about expecting a regional war was delusional.
 
Palestinian Suffering Is Never As Urgent As The Counterfactual

Good article on the coverage, focus, and language around the ongoing slaughter.

https://defector.com/palestinian-suffering-is-never-as-urgent-as-the-counterfactual

A comment under the article:
"3 weeks ago, I left a comment on "Hamas Will Be Anywhere That Israel Wants It To Be." At the time, our family knew we'd lost about 20 or so people. Today, we have only 1 surviving family member in Gaza - an 11-year-old girl. It's too late for us, but it's not too late for many others. We do what we can to get the word out and resist in our own way."
 
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Popular celebration of Hamas crimes was taken as proof that Gaza is a legitimate target.


Not the same one as in the previous tweets, but apparently the IDF itself was running one of these gore groups:

"To exterminate the cockroaches, la familia heroes": the influence department in the IDF, which believes in psychological warfare operations against the enemy, operates a Telegram channel during the war called "72 Virgins - No Censorship" which targets an Israeli audience and displays the bodies of Hamas terrorists with the promise of "exploding the terrorists" the fantasy"

 
Rabin was also a General and wound up in the Labor party and was assassinated because he was a bit too liberal for some. Gantz is viewed as a centrist, so its highly unlikely he will mirror Netanyahu's policies just as Lapid didn't.

What would you say were the major deviations from Netanyahu policies by Lapid? It was a short stint as PM, but my understanding is that settlement construction continued in the West Bank.

They're centrists obviously, so somewhat open to a 2-state solution should one somehow become possible, but what actual material changes to Netanyahu's policy do you think Lapid or Gantz would make?
 
Everyday goes by the Israeli state becomes closer and closer to the apartheid S. African state in terms of language (in action Israel is hundred times worse). But the language used is getting closer, for example:

Israeli state propagandists use now the term "Israel is defending the entire western world from radical Islam". That was the same logic the Old S. Africa used "we are fighting on behalf of defending the western civilization" in a message to invoke global support from the general European and american public. It did not work then, and I hope it will not work now in making the lives of Palestinians even harder and worse.
 
That plus a UN peacekeeping force between the borders + full control over domestic matters + ability to maintain and keep its own foreign policy, economics and trade relations (the last few being why Annan rejected the deal)
Absolutely. Israel shouldn't be allowed one inch into Gaza, buffer or otherwise.
 
What would you say were the major deviations from Netanyahu policies by Lapid? It was a short stint as PM, but my understanding is that settlement construction continued in the West Bank.

They're centrists obviously, so somewhat open to a 2-state solution should one somehow become possible, but what actual material changes to Netanyahu's policy do you think Lapid or Gantz would make?

I don't think Lapid was around long enough to make any meaningful long term changes to policy. On Gantz, I believe he just got into a spat with Smotrich about him setting aside funds for settlement expansion hurting the war effort and actually threatened to vote against the budget unless it was changed. He has also previously squabbled with Ayelet Shaked about settlement policy and came out against the Evyatar settlement outpost (he and Lapid both called for it to be demolished)

Unfortunately, given the nature of Israeli political coalitions where some parties are against settlements and others are vehemently in favor of expansion, it will be very difficult for any politician to undo settlements without risking their own coalition collapsing.
 
Everyday goes by the Israeli state becomes closer and closer to the apartheid S. African state in terms of language (in action Israel is hundred times worse). But the language used is getting closer, for example:

Israeli state propagandists use now the term "Israel is defending the entire western world from radical Islam". That was the same logic the Old S. Africa used "we are fighting on behalf of defending the western civilization" in a message to invoke global support from the general European and american public. It did not work then, and I hope it will not work now in making the lives of Palestinians even harder and worse.

The difference is that the whole international community agreed that South African apartheid was evil and they took actions against it. Now not only are not taking actions but they are promoting it right and left. Media and funding
 
The difference is that the whole international community agreed that South African apartheid was evil and they took actions against it. Now not only are not taking actions but they are promoting it right and left. Media and funding
The rhetoric is now that the Palestinians deserve it for not capitulating to Israel, they obviously don't love their children or have any humanity if they refuse to surrender.
 
The rhetoric is now that the Palestinians deserve it for not capitulating to Israel, they obviously don't love their children or have any humanity if they refuse to surrender.

Civilians capitulating is kinda hard when they are just trying to get on their lives
 
Not binding, but the UN votes for an immediate ceasefire

153 for
44 abstentions
14 against

But, this won't mean anything to the terrorist state...
 
Not binding, but the UN votes for an immediate ceasefire

153 for
44 abstentions
14 against

But, this won't mean anything to the terrorist state...



153-10
israel eats general assembly resolutions for breakfast
 
The countries supporting Genocide
  • Austria
  • Czech Republic
  • Guatemala
  • Liberia
  • Micronesia
  • Nauru
  • Papua New Guinea
  • Paraguay
  • United States
 
George Weah turned out to be a cnut though that's not entirely surprising considering he picked a career in politics.
 
The countries supporting Genocide
  • Austria
  • Czech Republic
  • Guatemala
  • Liberia
  • Micronesia
  • Nauru
  • Papua New Guinea
  • Paraguay
  • United States
You thought you could slip a fake country "Micronesia" in there and we wouldn't notice. We are too smart for that.

Google says it exists.