Where is the command center?
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Where is the command center?
why does everything have to be a conspiracy?
They said the hospital is the Headquarters and the command center of Hamas, in a move to legitimise the attack and cut everything on that hospital.
So, where is the command center?
Not sure there is such a thing as independent verification given the security situation.
The clock on the wall clearly isn't working. The colour of the date and time is directed by the brightness of the background. Certainly not difficult to add later but saying it "looks heavily doctored" right off the bat seems fairly premature to me.
The colour on the date and time on a CCTV camera wouldn't adjust to lighting, they're usually overlayed as a separate asset. As I said, it looks doctored, which is a reasonable stance given the IDF track record but also I stated that I would prefer to wait for verification.
I still don't understand what we're seeing in the video besides a group of people bringing an injured person into the hospital?
Sorry, are the IDF not proven liars now?
Both sides are. It's a given.
I mean it's quite clear someone getting dragged into a hospital. Not how you would bring a normal patient in for treatment
Several of the group are armed with machine guns.
It would not make sense for someone doctoring footage to go to the extent of changing the colour of the text based on background if such a possibility could not exist on the original footage. It involves extra steps being made in order to create a less believable product. Who's gonna do that? At any rate, a brief perusal of Google indicates that several CCTV cameras can and do adjust the date and time based on the brightness of the background. Here's one
Why would Egypt take on Israel's problem in Gaza?
Egypt has no obligation to open its border and no responsibility to provide aid. Egypt sees Gaza, correctly, as Israel's problem as the occupying power. Israel prevents anything coming in or out by sea. That leaves full responsibility for Gaza's welfare with Israel. I should add that Israel has exercised significant control over the Rafah crossing, at the very least for periods of time, and possibly most of the time. Bear in mind Israel controls the Palestinian population registry which exercises significant control over where Palestinians are allowed to live and travel. https://gisha.org/en/the-population-registry/
Additionally, do you have evidence that after Hamas was elected they "started attacking them constantly"? There were plenty of attacks emanating from Gaza from all Palestinian factions before Hamas was elected and I don't think there is clear evidence to support the assertion that Hamas just started attacking Israel "for no reason" from 2006. There is in fact evidence that Israel is the party that usually breaks ceasefires. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/reigniting-violence-how-d_b_155611
Yes, they are.
It's truly amazing to see how enriching your posts are since you decided to not crap all over this thread and call it an echo chamber.
I'm not saying it's not Hamas, I'm saying I don't know what we're seeing that exposes anything beyond an injured person being bought into a hospital.
Fair enough. Although even the area with the date and time looks weird and not an untampered overlay at all. Even changes size etc, as if a point is trying to be made. all a bit strange.
And what is this video proving? Genuinely curious.
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How is this proof that Hamas were hiding hostages at Shifa?
Okay?
You don’t have to believe either side, but that doesn’t mean what either side are saying can’t be posted and discussed.
Never said they can't, take a look at the comment accompanying the tweet.
Sisi doesn’t want Palestinian refugees for obvious reasons. He’s an autocrat who just toppled a Muslim Brotherhood guy to gain power, so he obviously wont want to risk destabilizing his own regime by infusing 2 million Palestinians into the country.
Apartheid is expensive. It crumbled in SA partly due to the high costs of maintaining a violent police state at home, fighting on multiple fronts against other African states, and dwindling receipts due to embargos. Hopefully in this situation, they're brought to the point of reason through bankruptcy.
Because they are fellow arabs perhaps who claim to care about the Palestinians. Israel makes no such claims. As I understand it the Gaza border was open until Hamas came to power. There's no doubt in my mind Israel will at least try to starve the Gazans out. America might make them stop or they might not. Will Egypt really sit by and do nothing if they don't?
I thought you blocked me for suggesting the German army wasn't entirely innocent of wrongdoing in the events leading up to the founding of the Israeli state?
It is an anti-Israeli echo chamber full of embarrassing propaganda that sometimes drifts into low key anti-semitism. I'm quite clear about that. But don't assume from this that I am entirely pro-Israel. I'm mainly seeking a realistic understanding of the situation and see rights and wrong on both sides. For example I reject the idea that this is genocide but I do think the Israeli goal is ethnic cleansing. I do think Hamas bears a huge responsibility for what is happening and they see civilian deaths as a propaganda win. It's not the simple morally black and white situation that the 'River to the Sea' mob would have us believe.
But there is a middle ground where they provide aid inside Gaza. They look like they don't want to do that either. They may have to.
No, Israel is an occupier because they violate Gaza's border at will, and block Palestinians from leaving their territory by air, sea and land. Egypt only prevents Palestinians from entering their territory (with some exceptions) but they are exercising their rights as a sovereign nation. Israel goes far beyond that.
Israel has an obligation to provide aid because they are the primary reason things are so fecked up in Gaza. Egypt doesn't have an obligation to provide aid any more than any other country not named Israel, and they've been the main conduit for aid into Gaza.
Why would you place any stock in what the Israeli government thinks of itself?
And why would a blockade of another country be acceptable, just because you have differences with their government? The only other case that comes to mind (the US blockade of Cuba) is universally condemned as a violation of human rights.
Is any of this really foreign to you?
Even if they were taking the hostages there for treatment, if the Israelis use this as justification for the bombings then hamas just won't bother treating the hostages anymore.
No, I think the main reason is that he knows that once Gaza is emptied Israel will convert the land to settlements and lock Palestinians out of their land. Another Nakba. Egypt and Jordan know this, which is why they (correctly) rebuff the very suggestion of a "temporary" relocation. Why can't Israel move Palestinians to it's version of the Sinai?
Could you quote some examples of this?
Shock horror - people in a hospital being treated.
Why would Sisi care about that ? He's the autocratic dictator of another country and has no interest in Palestinians other than to protect his regime and throw a bone to common Egyptians protesting the war.
If you consider the fact that most of us have been criticizing Israel for it's actions in the West Bank and in Gaza, it's safe to say that we're at the very least mild anti-Semites
My understanding is the bottleneck on getting aid in is on the Israeli side because they want to obsessively check cargos and obviously avoid what is being brought in being used by Hamas.
Why would Sisi care about 2 million additional people on his land, who (unlike the guys Moses took back across the Red Sea) have no avenue of returning to where they came from?
just read the last page in here. People really struggle with the notion that the IDF's intelligence may in fact be correct and that Hamas aren't nice people.
An intresting account from 08:22 - 10:22
Why would Sisi care about 2 million additional people on his land, who (unlike the guys Moses took back across the Red Sea) have no avenue of returning to where they came from?
If he did care about them, he would be inviting them in during the war wouldn't he (along with a guarantee they would be repatriated after).
How is not believing an organisation that's frequently caught lying antisemitism?
What has that got to do with antisemitism? If the IDF told me the sky was blue, I'd look up to check. It's not exactly groundbreaking news.
That's what you think antisemitism is?
i can't work out if you are being serious.