It's just Hamas propaganda from a couple of weeks ago. This poster does this a lot. Posts some "controversial" opinion, then hides behind "I'm not capable of sharing links", "I'm just asking questions", "well it's what someone else said/wrote".
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It's just Hamas propaganda from a couple of weeks ago. This poster does this a lot. Posts some "controversial" opinion, then hides behind "I'm not capable of sharing links", "I'm just asking questions", "well it's what someone else said/wrote".
Yes I’m fully aware of his agenda.
George fecking Galloway! 
Here's a thought.
How about one of you fine gentlemen without an agenda PM me on how to post the links etc?
FYI I use a xiomi Redmi phone. Long story why but it is what it is. Even opening word etc takes me to some Chinese links etc.
For further information. The links will be videos of what's happening on the ground. Sent via Whatsapp (don't know why this is a problem for some but hey ho) by people in Gaza.
Also videos containing newspaper reports from inside Israel, Haaretz and what not, giving quotes from army personnel.
Me writing out reports and citing the person, eg George Galloway (see earlier posts) was imo sufficient. However some of you didn't like that. So I await instructions as I am keen to learn and it would save me time. Thanks in advance
Note: I have noticed this week that the US media is shifting the focus away of the war in the ME. Not surprising, of course, but it’s seems that they’re going back to normal “business”.
In a war where disinformation rages and it's extremely difficult to get reliable accounts of what's happening there, it would be awesome if you posted something that has a bit more of a credible source than "Trust me, bro."
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CNN continues to surprise me and I'm wondering where the shift is coming from. Here's the take of Benzi Sanders, a former IDF soldier and now peace activist about the military resolution of the conflict.
The US promptly and publicly accepted Israel's evidence for the Al Ahly Hospital bombing, but multiple investigations later refuted the evidence and found it was unrelated to the hospital. Biden also publicly cast doubt on the number of casualties in Gaza, but his administration later stated that they believe it is actually being undercounted.
Now they're providing a half-baked backing of Israeli intelligence claims, but frankly these US intelligence stances no longer seem reliable in the slightest. The US has lost a substantial amount of credibility over the past month and these statements will no longer hold sway in the minds of many.
Presumably they didn't like it because George Galloway is a terrible source, and he was spreading outright Hamas propaganda.
I don't actually have a problem with someone shouting my post down because I cited George Galloway. He is who is and people can make their own minds up.
That said I'd give him more credibility than anything posted from an IDF/ Israeli Govt or even American Govt POV. Not a lot more but certainly more.
The IDF role in some of the deaths on 10/7 is something that has more to it than people believe imo.
Imagine the numbers if they didn't go for surgical precision
Yep that mixture of Israeli and US intelligence is second to none.
Is that a decent source? Just two weeks ago Reuters and AP reported polling that 49% of Israelis opposed ground forces. That's a huge shift if true
The Arab population of Israel alone is around 20%, so 85% support would be surprising.
Are those 20% allowed to voice their opinion?
Arab citizens of Israel are actually being censored and their social media posts being monitored too. Someone posted a tweet / article about it a page or so ago.
Godwin's Law warning
This is so sad. I’m so sorry. This is what you call a Nazi state.
Regarding freedom of speech, the other day I was looking at IDF Military orders and stumbled on the Military order 101. It concerns Occupied Territories.
https://www.btselem.org/demonstrations/military_order_101
https://www.btselem.org/demonstrations/military_order_101
They are allowed yes, but in fear.
You can (rightly) accuse Hamas of many things but deliberately inflating the numbers of deaths is not one of them. Their accounts always matched the UN and even Israeli numbers with minimal discrepancies.
If any, the amount of deaths is under evaluated since there's still a feckton of people buried under the rubble, without even accounting the people who were wounded and will die because of the lack of water, medical aid and proper treatment. I'm also not mentioning the long-term deaths due to the current insufficient food, unclean water and lack of hygiene. But hey, self-defense.
In the first six days of the retaliation Israel dropped, in tonnage, more bombs on Gaza than the Allies on Dresden. When you take a map and see the amount of destruction unleashed on a population that has no way to flee, you can't seriously play down these numbers, unless you're deliberately choosing to bury your head in the sand and/or a worthless piece of trash.
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To be honest, I think that you can accuse anyone of deliberately inflating/deflating numbers in these type of contexts simply because there is a communication war alongside the actual war. The issue for me is that the likelyhood of these figures being grossly underrated, in the case of Gaza City you are talking about an area that has a similar population density than New York, do people actually believe that bombarding entire New York neighborhoods would lead to less than 10k being killed even if you partially evacuated the city? To me that's implausible.
A lot of people did that after the first hospital bombing, here and elsewhere. Biden did similar a couple of weeks ago. This type of stuff along with the constant shitty propaganda are just distraction tactics.
I believe what he's saying and I also like him believe that the way Israel is waging this war will just add to the ranks of Hamas or other terrorist groups fighting Israel.
That sounds like bullshit in the main. And did Israel ever claim such a high number of beheaded babies?
Rape and murder certainly occurred and no way were 2/3rds of the Israeli dead military and even more no way were most Israeli civilian casualties friendly fire.
I'm calling bullshit. Not a chance that this is even vaguely accurate. Conspiracy theory nonsense or Hamas propaganda.
That's a good question. The reporters who shared that info initially claimed that it came from the IDF soldiers that were initially on site. But the Israeli government said from the beginning that they couldn't confirm or verify those allegations.
Point taken.
I also personally find 11,000 dead to be astonishingly "low" when we consider the hell Israel decided to unleash on Gaza for more than a month now, but I'm not there. I can only base my judgment on what Hamas claims, that's everything we got and their numbers were never really contested by anyone in the past. It's still a terrifying amount of casualties for the most moral army in the world that pretends to take every single measure to spare civilians. Especially when more than 90% of the victims are civilians and 50% are children. The IAF willfully repeatedly and bombed the biggest refugee camp, killing dozens, if not hundreds of Palestinians, just to get a few Hamas members. Or so they say. You have Netanyahu openly saying that all civilian deaths are Hamas responsibility. In other words, Israel just doesn't give a feck. I'd hate to imagine what it would look like if the IDF went all in. Might as well as drop a nuke or two and spare us the suspense.
What I personally find particularly hard to wrap my head around is the deliberate denial of access to food, water and medical aid. The video I posted before about Emily Callahan truly sent a chill down my spine. The most critical and constant concern was water. How can one refuse civilians access to water and claim to be on the "side of light"? How can governments tell with a straight face that it's got something to do with self-defense? How can this absolutely inhumane measure fall on so many deaf ears? How can't it be considered as a collective punishment? Any other country in the world that would've done that would've been panned, banned, boycotted and eventually bombed into oblivion, and that's not even talking about what was happening in Gaza and in the West Bank for decades.
I hate to bring the race card, but I'm starting to think that Arab lives in general and the Palestinians in particular just don't matter. You have a Florida republican state representative (Michelle Salzman) openly advocate for the extermination of the Palestinians without anyone really batting an eyelid. Not that she's the only one, mind. Could you imagine the reaction if it was the other way around?
On a side note:
"France weren't the occupiers in Algeria". Like, really? I know that Algeria was considered as a "département" and part of France, but it certainly wasn't the case for the indigenous population. They were, at best, second rate citizens with no political rights. We can debate about semantics all day long, but I don't think that France being an occupying and colonizing power in Algeria is really subject to debate. Unless I misunderstood you.
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They never discriminate when they start shooting.
It was a french department without the need for quoting marks and I wouldn't describe it as a (military)occupation. Now the point that you are making is in my opinion different and exposes the principal of equality that France was claiming, there were caste systems where some men, europeans and jews had more voting rights than women, muslims or indigenous people depending on where they resided or their function. That issue of voting rights existed everywhere including the Metropole and was only fixed in 1958.
On that topic there is a strange exception in Corsica, women had the right to vote since the 16th century while everywhere else in France, they had to wait until 1945.
Glad Yaxley-Lemon and his smooth brained football hooligans are making absolute tossers of themselves. Let’s show everyone what it means to be “proper British”. Came just to “feck shit up” on the command of that witch Braverman.