Seen some talking about Egypt being offered $20bn by Israel to accept Palestinian refugees.
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Go on, elaborate.
An 2022 Israeli doc on a massacre that occurred in the village of Tantura in 1948.
Doubt is true. And 20 bn would not cover anything for 2 million population. That is 10.000 dollares per person if my math are correct
Israel aren’t even trying to hide the fact that they are actively bombing civilians this time. Yet no one is batting an eyelid. It defies belief. My faith in humanity is lost.
So you sacrifice instead (until today) 8000 Palestinian women and child, because those 8000 means little compared to IDF soldiers lives?
Its sourced from the Israeli paper Yediot Aharanot apparently. Not sure how legit they are. Maybe @Amir knows more about them.
Maybe I'm too jaded but I see that as the political reality. Going in without the aerial bombardment would mean so many Israeli soldier lives that it would become politically untenable, the administration would become unpopular.
I imagine this happened in their past, they used to risk more soldiers but the politicians realized it was going to get them out of office for someone who would risk fewer Israeli lives.
Happy to be wrong, though.
The Israeli Caftards can't do anything about this conflict, you can carry on asking them questions but they're as impotent as anyone of us. Only one entity on this planet can affect an outcome and it's not even Israel, it's the United States.
I dunno man. What do you think Hamas was trying to achieve with its attack? They don't have a political goal, eg two state solution. It just looked like random murder for kicks.
Anyone still supporting Israel at this stage is complicit. The headlines are “IDF confirms it has bombed gaza largest refugee camp” all to hopefully kill one person who’s likely hiding and not surfacing any time soon.
No, there is another: iran
So you are equating a terrorist group with a democratically state government.
I thought Colombia had broken diplomatic relations last week?
Was the attack timed to contravene the next major step in normalizing relations via the Abraham Accords?
Hamas don't want a two state solution and the Palestinians have rejected something similar in the past.
Think they only fired the ambassador. Unless it means the same.
I think that is what Hamas's backers, Iran, got from it, but Hamas?
Think the poster already clarified that he doesn't care.
You know, the usual foundation of religion - Be kind and you'll be rewarded.
They did have a political motive of springing Hamas militants from Israeli prisons. Unfortunately the Genghis Kahn style barbarism on 10.7 was so unexpectedly successful that it managed to initiate their own demise.
They are legit. And that was indeed published in today's newspaper.
It was always present and that's the fecked up thing with the Occupation. But indeed not in these proportions. Hamas managed to get Israel's retaliation down to the level of what they did on 7/10 and are going to beat them with experience.
I'd also wish that posters wouldn't gang up on @Amir like that, especially since the overwhelming majority never experienced war, or a civil or colonial war. He's made his point clear, like it or hate it (obviously not directed at you). The mindsets there are unfathomable for anyone looking at a conflict from thousands of kilometers away.
I mightily disagree with some of his points but he's one of the few valuable and balanced sources about what's happening there and I'd hate to see him disappear from this thread because of this.
Palestinians will carry on fighting for their state with or without Iran, keep in mind Iran wasn't funding any militant groups pre 1979.
That's the thing, that savagery was its own goal.
IDF has no confidence in it's troops. Far easier to press a button and launch missiles from a safe distance. If innocents die as a result... So be it, it seems.
They’re just the lackey, the functionary. Basically a tool.
True, but right now, Iran is a player. It's not just the US.
Are there any more superlatives? Within 2 weeks we've gone from Oct 7 being like 9/11 to being akin to a Holocaust to now comparing it to ghengis khan.
I just can't see what the strategy here was for Hamas. Yes, they might have wanted to trade a few prisoners. Maybe a bit of revenge. But what political strategic goal were they trying to advance, like troops out, or independence or nationhood, or draw attention to the cause or something? I can't see it. There wasn't one, it was a pogrom for them and a win for their backers.
Barbarism would be too kind for 10.7 . It was pure 13th century stuff.
Agreed people should show some empathy, especially since as you say he has shared very balanced views for years. That's why people should recognize that both sides are wrong because most people are caught in the middle and righfully fear for their own lives.
Agreed.
Apparently not the first time Bolivia has made such a move, they did so in 2009, reestablishing norms in 2020.
Is the crater big enough? What does the video footage say? Need some more weapons analysts to chime in here.
Killing innocent women and children is Barbarism, whether via a gun or via a missile. Hamas's attack and the thousands killed by Israel in the aftermath are both acts of Barbarism.
There was no strategic consideration in my opinion. Part of their leadership is ensconced in Qatar leaving only the hardcore membership in Gaza. Don't see the grunts being able to formulate a plan beyond the tactics of the attack.
I agree. If its pre-meditated and specifically done to kill as many civilians as possible then that qualifies.