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Not very good at the whole links thing.

This was a tweet sent on a WhatsApp group I'm on.

I posted the twitterers (?) Name and the general who said it. Maybe someone can post the actual tweet?
This is what I've found from a quick search.



An interview with Tucker Carlson. Seems questionable how he'd even know such a thing.
 
His handle is @jamalrayyan

The post I've seen is in Arabic with English translation
Seems like mostly all of his posts are in Arabic, only a few with English translations.

That’s a huge scoop if true, but unnecessarily, albeit knowingly, inflammatory if known to be bullshit.
 
Seems like mostly all of his posts are in Arabic, only a few with English translations.

That’s a huge scoop if true, but unnecessarily, albeit knowingly, inflammatory if known to be bullshit.


See some of the posts above.

I personally wasn't making a statement of fact here. Just posted it to see what others knew about it.
 
See some of the posts above.

I personally wasn't making a statement of fact here. Just posted it to see what others knew about it.
Not saying that you were in the slightest, I understood what you were doing, it’s a tweet that I would have linked as it’s potentially a game-changing event.
 
This is all the fault of the Romans for kicking jews out of the holy land and secondly umar ibn Khattab shares blame for allowing the Jews back into the holy land.

You joke but is there a defined period of time after which claims to a specific piece of land or nation are rendered null?
 
Not saying that you were in the slightest, I understood what you were doing, it’s a tweet that I would have linked as it’s potentially a game-changing event.


I think it was the times that did a breakdown of what military assistance America had sent to Israel. From the ships as warning to others to munitions for iron Dome and planes and weapons etc

I remember the 2000 marines figure in there. To provide assistance in hostile territory for medical assistance, transport and guidance etc.

Maybe the McGregor guy has just used that to make up stuff. Or maybe there is truth in helping the IDF getting the hostages.
 
It's what some Israeli politicians have been saying in public over the last few weeks.

Obviously Sisi won't let the Israelis dump them in the Sinai right now, if he does every single Egyptian would be out on the streets asking for his head.
I am not sure if Israel wants to take Gaza land (they definitely want West Bank though). But I do not understand how if a) they want to take Gaza land and removing Gazans from there and b) Sisi is in Israel's/US's pocket can both be true while Sisi is blocking Gazans to leave. I mean if he is in line with Israel, he would open the border for 'humanitarian purposes' which would help Israel to achieve their plan.
 


This is in response to Musk providing Star link access to humanitarian agencies in Gaza.
 
I think it was the times that did a breakdown of what military assistance America had sent to Israel. From the ships as warning to others to munitions for iron Dome and planes and weapons etc

I remember the 2000 marines figure in there. To provide assistance in hostile territory for medical assistance, transport and guidance etc.

Maybe the McGregor guy has just used that to make up stuff. Or maybe there is truth in helping the IDF getting the hostages.
Could be, but America is going to advise for as long as possible before even entertaining the idea of putting boots on the ground. Mogadishu is just but one internal reason for delaying Americans deploying onto Gazan soil & that debacle is still resonant within the Army.
 
I am not sure if Israel wants to take Gaza land (they definitely want West Bank though). But I do not understand how if a) they want to take Gaza land and removing Gazans from there and b) Sisi is in Israel's/US's pocket can both be true while Sisi is blocking Gazans to leave. I mean if he is in line with Israel, he would open the border for 'humanitarian purposes' which would help Israel to achieve their plan.

I'm not making a comment specifically on whether this is true or not but this is probably one of the only scenarios which is an existential threat to Sisi. 2 million angry Palestinians in the Northern Sinai, likely to be permanently settled there if they do end up leaving (as Israel won't let them back in ), in a country who's economy is tanking and perceived to be the leader who dealt the literal fatal blow to the Palestinian cause forever.

He'd have his head on a spike. There would probably be a coup against him by another general.
 
I'm not used to Musk being on the right side of things.

He would be in this case, although he claims it’s for “internationally recognized aid groups” only. Not sure how that would be regulated. In either case, the Israelis are in the wrong in trying to stop it (not sure if they can in any case).
 
I'm not used to Musk being on the right side of things.
Wow, that's really big of him.
It took a lot of @-ing on Twitter and general lobbying (if that’s even the right term in this sense). Can’t tell you how many WhatsApp’s I received in various groups about an action plan to get him to do it. Glad it worked though.
 

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In many ways I kind of respect Trump. He is honest with his views, he doesn't hide his racism and Islamophobia, unlike the left who are just a hypocritical bunch.
Either which way you look at it, America as a super-power is on its last breath.
 
My god. Because those necessities are crucial for those living in the house to survive? Why would materiel to support a larger military force be any different in composition?

Targets, men & their supplies, aren't always stationary, you know?

Lets agree to disagree...we would go on circles because i can still going on the inconguences
 
Well it's actually the truth, just coming from an unpopular source
Exactly what did he say that was anti-semitic? That he doesnt consider Hamas terrorists but mujaheedens? Newsflash UN and many nations do not consider Hamas a terrorist organisation. If Hamas is a terrorrist organisation, so is Israel.
 
This thread is just people trying to find a starting point to this conflict. I don’t care who started it, the reaction from Israel right now is over the top and will only create more friction in that part of the world. Nothing justifies trapping people in a region, cutting off food, water, electric, telephones and emergency aid. It’s disgusting how the Western media are portraying what is happening and slowly the general public are starting to realise the hypocrisy compared to Ukraine.
 
Genocide is a broader term than just "kill all of them". If the ultimate goal of Israel is to gradually force the Palestinians out of Gaza and the West Bank, then that would be genocide.
I think that "ethnic cleansing" would more of an apt description, which would still go against the UN Security Council Resolution 1674 and is of course wrong on any level. I see people throwing around the word "genocide" which has been around since the mid 40's without fully understanding what it entails. Here's what the UN says about this:

"In 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group". These five acts were: killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group. Victims are targeted because of their real or perceived membership of a group, not randomly."

Here are few examples of genocides in recent times:

Armenia (1915-23), the Holocaust (1941-45), Cambodia (1971-79), Bosnia (1992-95), Rwanda (1994).

I'd add the 10 stages of genocide, from George Stanton, president of the Genocide Watch, who also criticized the term of ethnic cleansing as a cover-up for genocide.

1. Classification: "People are divided into "us and them."

2. Symbolization: "When combined with hatred, symbols may be forced upon unwilling members of pariah groups..."

3. Discrimination: "Law or cultural power excludes groups from full civil rights: segregation or apartheid laws, denial of voting rights."

4. Dehumanization: "One group denies the humanity of the other group. Members of it are equated with animals, vermin, insects, or diseases."

5. Organization: "Genocide is always organized... Special army units or militias are often trained and armed..."

6. Polarization: "Hate groups broadcast polarizing propaganda..."

7. Preparation: "Victims are identified and separated out because of their ethnic or religious identity..."

8. Persecution: "Expropriation, forced displacement, ghettos, concentration camps".

9. Extermination: "It is 'extermination' to the killers because they do not believe their victims to be fully human".

10. Denial: "The perpetrators... deny that they committed any crimes..."


It is no Bible and there are many caveats but I'd personally say that Netanyahu and some (former) members of its cabinet and current military leadership pretty much fill the bill to an extent, from point 1 to 8. If only based on the declaration made since 7/10 and how Israel and its army have been conducting themselves in the Occupied Territories to this date, especially since Netanyahu came to power. It's still more about the appropriation of land, by any means necessary, rather than targeted and systematic physical elimination of the Palestinians. Also, Gaza is a ghetto, an open-air prison, but not a concentration camp in the sense of what we usually associate with the notion.

Things get muddy after point 8 and we're far, far away from that absolute red line. There's no doubt in my mind that the current Israeli PM has no intention of recognizing any kind of Palestinian State and, quite frankly, wants them driven out of what he considers as Israel's rightful borders. He will also use unrestricted violence to re-establish the "natural order of things", regardless of the Gazan civilian losses. However, an intended genocide as we understand it, it is not, in my opinion. I also doubt that the Israelis, in their overwhelming majority, would go along with it.
 
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Key is in the words. Criticism of Israels supporters and Zionism in general is anti semitism, but he doesn’t give a feck. Blinded by hatred. He approves of ripping kidnap posters off walls, and he is visibly supportive of Hamas too so it’s par for the course.
Dont make things up.