Crazy that people are blaming the nation bombing the shit out of little children. Absolute madness.
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Whether Israel counts as an apartheid state or not, it definitely seems like its government wouldn't care if it did.
God I hope the changing public opinion starts to force the west to stop enabling Israeli war crimes. It'll take years but hopefully it happens while there's still people alive in Gaza.
Even for someone with a low IQ like me I can undertsand why Egypt wont open their border. But to dispel all doubt, I would go out of my way to spell it out; It will be the prelude to dispalce lawful indigeous Gazzans and when these refuges attack Israel from the Sinai dessert, the apartheid, land grabbing, genoicidal regime who care less about the security of Israel will use that as a premise to attack Egypt and the Egyptians will now go to war with Israel. Do I need to simplify it further ?
In North Korea, every building in the country was flattened until there were no more targets, and multiple dams were destroyed to flood the land and starve the population.
In Vietnam, major cities were ruined, and an infinite rain of Agent Orange poisoned the ground and the people.
In the 80s in Afghanistan, years of indiscriminate bombing reduced settlements and villages to dust and displaced or killed 30% of the population.
Gaza is much, much, smaller than all of them, the least independent, and faces a more concentrated fire, from possibly a more genocidal enemy. It has no superpower backer giving it MIGs or SAMs or Stingers. But all three survived their tormentors, in some mutated form. Maybe Gaza can too.
In Vietnam, major cities were ruined, and an infinite rain of Agent Orange poisoned the ground and the people.
In the 80s in Afghanistan, years of indiscriminate bombing reduced settlements and villages to dust and displaced or killed 30% of the population.
Gaza is much, much, smaller than all of them, the least independent, and faces a more concentrated fire, from possibly a more genocidal enemy. It has no superpower backer giving it MIGs or SAMs or Stingers. But all three survived their tormentors, in some mutated form. Maybe Gaza can too.
I read they're not letting them in because it will mean no more Palestine. You let all the Palestinians in to Egypt and Jordan and Palestine will be no more. That will never happen. Its been 75 years of oppression. 2023 will not be the year Palestine ceases to exist. 2023 will be the year WW3 will happen and the world itself will be on the brink.
Geez, I wonder why ? Perhaps because the rest of us think that they are humans who deserve a decent life with dignity like the rest of us.
Coward who will become irrelevant in the next 12 months
Just goes to show you dont have to be smart to be the president of the US of A or perhaps he is being disingenious to legitimise Israel's war crime.
And it’s often dishonest. The post isn’t disingenuous, just not an easy.
Yep, I agree. The bold was more about their leniency over the last decade or so. It could be argued that Iran are taking such liberties precisely because the US has shown no real interest in engaging their proxies, and have even considered them as an honest broker at points.
I don’t believe they are stretched militarily though (but they are scrambling to get assets into theater), it’s more a case that nobody wins from the situation blowing up except Russia/Iran/China. They are trying to be the adult in the room and hold the middle of the line between a country that feels it’s in an existential struggle for survival, an oppressed people suffering dreadfully and visibly, volatile actors spoiling to fight, and malignant powers that will feed like vultures.
If and when china go for Taiwan, Taiwan are done. The best case for the people of Taiwan is “peaceful reunification.”
Is the official Israeli govt twitter account run by 12 year olds?
In the past week, I've seen them, trying to get Taylor Swift fans on their side, picking fights, use Harry Potter meme to equate Hamas with Isis, post Gal Gadot Imagine inspired video with kids, and that's just on the top of my head. I'm pretty sure I missed much more.
It's almost kinda sad to see if I don't remember they are committing genocide.
In the past week, I've seen them, trying to get Taylor Swift fans on their side, picking fights, use Harry Potter meme to equate Hamas with Isis, post Gal Gadot Imagine inspired video with kids, and that's just on the top of my head. I'm pretty sure I missed much more.
It's almost kinda sad to see if I don't remember they are committing genocide.
Here’s a question to our German friends here: Germany recognizes the Palestinian Authority, and this is the flag of the PA. If a German leader meets President Abbas, that flag will be there. Why then it’s not allowed legally? I understand preventing any support of Hamas, but preventing holding thus flag should be different.
Even in the U.S. these days, you’re allowed to hold this flag right in front of the White House.
https://travel.usnews.com/Tibet_China/Things_To_Do/
Any tours to inside Gaza?
They're doing a great job.
Now we're laughing at it while the IDF continue to pounce. They're probably told to go on and be as absurd as possible.
You're so naive thinking that the Western Countries are 100% fair, they're not. Deal with it.
It's only fair if you're protesting on something they agree on, or if it's too big to squash.
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The EU are what they are, an economical giant and a geopolitical dwarf.
While very beneficial for the internal market, the uninterrupted expansion and integration of countries with wildly different interests ensured that the EU will never have a unified view on international matters. It already wasn't that great when the EU was about 9 and then 12 countries, even less with 27. Too many cooks and all that.
You could hear the ungarian Neighborhood EU Commissioner announcing the suspension of all financial aid to the Palestinians in the wake of the 7/10 attacks, only to see the slovenian EU Crisis Manager denying it a few days later. Or Von der Leyen doing her (very pro-american) thing, effectively bypassing and exasperating the EU commission. Not for the first time, mind. Europe effectively ceased to be a major player after WW2. Germany was out, for good. Britain chained themselves to the US. France kinda maintained a sort of third path, largely inspired by De Gaulle, until the noughties. It wasn't very effective but still had somehow weight in the southern hemisphere. That also went out the window since Sarkozy was elected.
As much I love the EU for the ideas they represent, there's nothing to expect from them in international matters (outside of Europe), other than paying the bills. Their stick just ain't big enough.
The fate of the Middle-East will be decided by the US, Russia, China, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Iran.
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From the ammunition stocks point of view, the US are quite stretched at the moment. Not that they couldn't ramp it up if needs be, but they'd rather avoid that. Simultaneously having two different war theaters so far away from each other where they have a dog in each race, with a third even further away eventually opening, isn't really ideal. But you nailed it in my opinion, not much I can object to.
Yeah, for me Taiwan is a foregone conclusion, it's only a matter of time.
You have to take these numbers with a pinch of salt, those dirty gazans might be recycling the same child sized doll over and over again but with different disguises.
Will Israel guarantee the right of return for those refugee gazans?
China don't want a bombed Taiwan, they want a peaceful unification, or nothing.
If they have to bomb the shit out of it, it's just a pcs of rubble.
But hey, you got to create a big bad China as the next "Threat to Freedom and Democrazy"
It is a good thing that Xi confirmed that with you. The last thing the world need is another war in the East Asia.China don't want a bombed Taiwan, they want a peaceful unification, or nothing.
If they have to bomb the shit out of it, it's just a pcs of rubble.
But hey, you got to create a big bad China as the next "Threat to Freedom and Democrazy"
you will not find any justification of what israel is doing to gaza, non. I support Palestine right to be free of Israel occupation. The same way, even if they Tibetans are not as oppressed currently as much as palestine, I support their right to be free of Chinese occupation if its their desire. Self determination should be a right for all the people. And China can criticize what Israel is doing, because is despicable, but is laughable that they talk about ocupation. We could talk about the plans they have for Taiwan and also what happens with the Uyghur, nut we should not deviate the thread. Mind was a comment about the hypocrisy of china, the same as many times the US and europe and the uselessness of the UN
What you say makes absolute sense.
I'm just not sure Israeli society and politics make sense anymore.
If we were to have an election today he'll clearly lose. But by the time it actually happens, who knows. He's got such a strong, mindless, base.
True, but only if it's true that the Tibetans are being oppressed. Why don't you go there and ask themselves if they are oppressed and wants to be "Liberated"
Just like the MSM and the west tells that the Israels needs to be defended.
Again, is the right of self-determination. If they want to be chinese, good for them. oppressed or not, no one should tell a majority of a community what to do with their own community and I am telling you, if Tibetants would organize a revolution, they would be crushed a la Gaza style. And I stop derailing, wont answer back
Now that is messed up, all we need is China to invade taiwan and we're looking at world war.
Pot calling the kettle springs to mind here both of them.
The flag isn't banned.
Berlin has banned (most) demonstrations, because, at least according to the police, they predictably turn antisemitic and/or violent. There's also the background of people celebrating Hamas on the streets and riots in the particular part of town where this video was shot.
Since you don't see 10s of policemen, wearing their "mass event outfits" show up randomly, I assume they were there, because someone got their petition for a demonstration turned down and they were tasked with enforcing it.
The original account actually uploaded another video just like it: someone shows up to start a demonstration anyway (you can hear his buddies in the background), act's surprised when police approach him, refuses when police ask him to pack it in, refuses when police tell him to leave the scene and then the guy, who has Palestinian filmmaker in his Twitter bio gets to shoot yet another video of the police removing someone for "absolutely no reason".
And then two weeks later some random Twitter account re-shares that video, so it can do a lap of honour.
That doesn't make things sound much better.
They're over compensating.
Yeah, you're right, totally fine.The flag isn't banned.
Berlin has banned (most) demonstrations, because, at least according to the police, they predictably turn antisemitic and/or violent. There's also the background of people celebrating Hamas on the streets and riots in the particular part of town where this video was shot.
Since you don't see 10s of policemen, wearing their "mass event outfits" show up randomly, I assume they were there, because someone got their petition for a demonstration turned down and they were tasked with enforcing it.
The original account actually uploaded another video just like it: someone shows up to start a demonstration anyway (you can hear his buddies in the background), act's surprised when police approach him, refuses when police ask him to pack it in, refuses when police tell him to leave the scene and then the guy, who has Palestinian filmmaker in his Twitter bio gets to shoot yet another video of the police removing someone for "absolutely no reason".
And then two weeks later some random Twitter account re-shares that video, so it can do a lap of honour.
How so if what the poster is claiming is simply not true? The flag is not illegal.
I’ve seen the flag everywhere these days. Nobody cares.
First of all let me thank you for sharing misinformation, that always leads to fruitful discussion.
Now if you want to have little nuance, it does seem to me like the police are just doing their job in accordance with the law.
And I think the reasoning behind the demonstration bans is logical, but I also think bans against demonstrations always need to be scrutinized and I don't know one way or the other whether Berlin's strict policy is a proportionate measure or authorities and courts are getting carried away by certain incidents that made the news.
Piers remains a tool even during a massacre. So he wants people to condemn violent resistance from a displaced, occupied and besieged people rather than the perpetual violence of the occupier. That's like condemning a slave revolt because some in the masters quarters have died during the clash, while you maintain support for the slave owner and the entire institution. Piers and those like him and worse, are the disgusting live manifestation of the dystopian outcome and indocrination from consumption and distribution of the empire's propaganda.
Reminds me of certain gentleman... yet people are still blind
Insisting on getting people to condemn Hamas is, at best, an exercise in futility.
What prophecies is he referring to?
Why should it even be an execise accepted as normal in the first place? Hamas and all other Palestinian resistane groups have an international and moral right to resist occupation, invasion and ethnic cleansing. Not insisting on Israel to end the occupation and respect international law is dystopian and extremely depraved.
Resisting occupation, invasion and ethnic cleansing, by standing for invasion, occupation and ethnic cleansing themselves. I mean, can you really not see why they're not morally right?
So if Hamas had the means and weaponry to wipe Israel off the map you don't think they would? They wouldn't hesitate, a mass genocide and ethnic cleansing of Jews from the land of Israel. That is their doctrine. It is why they exists.
Does Hamas have a moral right to rampage neighbourhoods, murdering, raping and torching babies? That's not resistance. That is barbarism.