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David Pannick is one of the top lawyers in the country.
Nothing wrong with ripping down posters. Especially when they’re stuck on public property and in public spaces.
Also you’d rather people do that then this:
Whilst it could just be standard run of the mill Islamophobia, it could be linked to events in the Middle East.
Also you’d rather people do that then this:
Whilst it could just be standard run of the mill Islamophobia, it could be linked to events in the Middle East.
So if I went round London ripping down posters of Palestinian children caught up in the conflict. That would be fine?
of course it wouldn't and I would never do that because I'm human.
if there was a missing person in London or a missing pet cat. Would you rip it down if it was on private property?
lets just call a spade a spade. These people do not care about deaths on the Israeli side and most likely sympathise with Hamas.
Now Imagine ( Not condoning it) if he decided to go rogue on the Israeli state? He basically has lost everything and has nothing to live for literally when you factor his age. Family killed in a refugee camp in the south where Israel asked them to evacuate to. What the Israeli bombs is creating is just future jihadist, this is not how to end the conflict, just guarantees endless circle of it.
This whole conflict just creates more heartbreaks on both sides.
I honestly couldn’t care less what you get up to in London, just like no one in authority will give two shits about these posters that are being put up and ripped down.
If you think a poster on a London bus stop has any influence on what’s happening over there you need to stop being so naive.
The missing person or cat is just an idiotic analogy so I won’t bother replying to it.
"One message in an internal company discussion, set up by a manager in the days after the Hamas attack in southern Israel, encouraged employees to “show Westernity” in social media posts backing Israel, as “unlike the Gazans, we look and live like Europeans or Americans”, it said."
"A message from another Wix employee sought help on a project building “a dynamic database on a website of all the companies that have come out against Israel”."
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/...-support-israels-narrative-in-hamas-conflict/
They seem like a nice bunch.
He seems to be reasonably well thought of though, or at least gets cited in respectable publications. Aric Toler, the guy who broke this for the NYT and is now employed by them was a Bellingcat guy as recently as last year. There's also this from GeoConfirmed who are another mob that seem to get their fair share of plaudits.
Looks to me like basically all of the independent OSINT locators that I initially looked at and who helped persuade me of the position of the "misfiring" rocket have now changed their own positions based on this one unknown bloke screaming about it for around a week while pointing to his own analysis:
I guess it's worth noting that the prevailing view among these guys remains that the explosion looks like it came from a rocket, but this is a primary piece of visual evidence that now (for me) has at least a large shadow of doubt above it.
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mafia style
On the ripping down posters of kidnapped people: There are loads of propaganda posters of all sorts of interests all over London, especially university campuses. Pro Israel propaganda is as valid as any other.
Ripping down the posters isn’t the worst thing happening, but Certainly doesn’t harm the efforts to dehumanise and marginalise pro Palestinian groups though. If the fringes act like thugs and the majority are like “yea this is fine” it’s obviously going to impact on this. Coupled to the implicit hamas and militant support, and you have people thinking they are just a bunch of thugs.
Having those posters ripped down is probably a net positive for Israel.
Ripping down the posters isn’t the worst thing happening, but Certainly doesn’t harm the efforts to dehumanise and marginalise pro Palestinian groups though. If the fringes act like thugs and the majority are like “yea this is fine” it’s obviously going to impact on this. Coupled to the implicit hamas and militant support, and you have people thinking they are just a bunch of thugs.
Having those posters ripped down is probably a net positive for Israel.
Easy, to pressure on the British government to aid ceasefire instead of aiding massacres of the Palestinian children.
Yea looks accurate. I’d say that their openness in sharing the intelligence doesn’t cast doubt, but rather supports their conclusion. If they were sweeping it under the rug, it’d be more suspicious. Occams Razor again, crazy timing though.
Well then.
Just so I’m clear - the video evidence used by these online analysts is now determined to be unrelated to the hospital bombing?
If that’s the case - what evidence is left that it was from inside Gaza? The crater size being smaller is one of it but what else?
Depends on how the ground offensive will go.
Either way, he's well and truly finished. Israel isn't known for forgiving this kind of mistakes.
Golda Meir stepped down for "much less".
I agree (as you know!) There’s still the question of reparations, but that can be sorted.
Id have preferred it to be Israel that was moved, I think they would have been better accepted by native populations without displacing anyone, and that the Palestinians would have been more welcome in the Middle East. Somewhere like Alberta would have saved us all a bunch of trouble.
I wonder where is viable now, would need to be rather low populated etc. There’s always the Chagos Islands (just a joke, but there’s similarities there.) also wonder how a Palestinian government would look, and whether they could thrive away from hostilities without becoming Iranian or extremist proxies.
Should also be added that supporting Hamas is a crime, and the British justice system has shown itself to be overzealous in policing British Muslim communities, so if there were 'Hamas supporters' openly roaming the streets of the capital, they would be picked up.
So just like you not caring about deaths on the Palestinian side and most likely sympathise with IDF. The absolute irony and shamelessness in your post.
Again, just to remind history started on October 7th.
Why are people so seemingly afraid to admit they sympathise with either Hamas or Israel? There’s nothing wrong with having a position.
You can sympathise with Hamas and their militancy without condoning the 7th or a bunch of other stuff.
You can sympathise with Israel and the IDF without condoning terrorism in the West Bank and excess civilian deaths.
You can sympathise with Hamas and their militancy without condoning the 7th or a bunch of other stuff.
You can sympathise with Israel and the IDF without condoning terrorism in the West Bank and excess civilian deaths.
Isn't it literally illegal to sympathise with Hamas?
You also can't sympathise with the IDF and object to what's going on in Gaza and the west bank.
So what seems to be suggested by the bloke @NotThatSoph posted is that the missile we see in the Al-Jazeera footage was intercepting a single rocket that diverged from the main barrage which originated South East of the hospital. The main path taken by the majority of missiles from that barrage went above or near the hospital at around the same time as the intercept was made. You can see both paths (main barrage and diverging rocket) in the below IDF radar picture but I think the telemetry has been worked out independently (not sure).
So they're currently hanging their hat on that plus the crater size and the lack of physical damage compared to the large amount of fire damage.
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Not really. It could be illegal in some places and may get you fired from your jobs.
This is a bit safer option when compared to the first.
Edit: And you will be labelled as an anti-semite on this forum and in other places if you take the first option.
Its a cringeworthy term that seems to have unfortunately become the norm these days.
History didn't start on 9/11 either, but it was in retrospect, a historical inflection point nonetheless.
Don’t think so no. You can’t support them (chant for them, use their flags, financially aid them etc) but you can express sympathy for their views etc in discussion. I suspect the majority of pro Palestinians here sympathise with them to some extent. Many even agree with their militancy and see it as a function of Israeli oppression.
And sure you can. The IDF have an incredibly difficult job to do in Gaza right now to achieve the war objectives set. Many will live with ptsd for life, some won’t live at all.
Just so bleak. What would I do if this happened to me? Probably just go on a personal suicide mission and take out as many IDF as possible. I mean, you're literally seeing your entire family die, how do you cope with that?
This will never end.
Its also a new fad in the states. Although distasteful, there's nothing wrong with it as long its done peacefully.
Netanyahu isn't stepping down. And he's got a big cult which believe he can do no wrong + a party that is totally servicing him.
I've heard he's finished so many times over the years. He's a survivor, I'll give him that.
If a Muslim leader said something like this. I guess only Islamic leaders are labelled extremists.
The law sucks if it can be weaponised to make sympathy during discussion illegal. Thought and speech police going too far (we see you Braverman). Wouldn’t be discussing this extensively in my day job though, we have enough problems debating capitalism.
Wouldn’t worry about how forumites label you.
What is the prophecy of Isaiah?
That's dangerous if true. We know Iran backed Hamas, funded them, hell probably equipped them. But trained and prepared a Hamas army in Iran for this attack? That looks like an act of war.
Yep… Hopeless. A whole generation will see the monolithic Israeli (and let’s be fair, Jew) as the enemy. Shades of grey between civs and IDF, but all the enemy, the oppressor, less than human, the system that killed their families. And you can’t blame them. Hates burns slow.
And it’s the same on the other side, a generation of terrified Israelis who cannot trust “the Palestinian “ (or the Muslim) because their only interaction is the hate and terror from these people. A circle of hatred.
Hopeless.
Is he calling himself the Messiah?
Biden sceptical of Gaza death toll?
Glad someone has brought this up actually. I stumbled across one of these in my area and took a photo of it close up:
Note the last paragraph. 3000?
My guess is this isn't some bonafide attempt at helping find missing persons (what good would that be, asking Londoners if they're able to track down missing people in Israel?), but rather some sort of crude campaign, attempting to drown out the scale of suffering and devastation coming out of Gaza, by drawing some form of false equivalence in the numbers game.
Children kidnapped in a vicious attack only deserve sympathy when they aren't Israeli, I guess.
Back in the days without smartphones they'd just call it Pallywood and say everything was staged.
Now there's too many images and videos to deny so they just pretend the numbers are fake.