Come on. There might be individual nutjobs that would say this, but that is not the prevailing sentiment among the people that are protesting and showing their support for Palestinians.
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Come on. There might be individual nutjobs that would say this, but that is not the prevailing sentiment among the people that are protesting and showing their support for Palestinians.
I suspect you and I have very different ideas about what "the current climate" is.
Why would it be a stretch to believe the leaders of the terrorist incursion had the battleplans on their person?
Wasn't one of the purported plans also to hit a pre school.... At dawn..... On a Saturday?
How could they launch a rocket from the cemetery less than 100 meters from the hospital yet the best video showing the explosion sounds like a missile coming from much further away, also there isn't any sound of the missile being launched if it happened so close to actual hospital.
In addition, didn't Israel show another photo with supposed missiles being launched from much further away, one of which was deemed to have hit the hospital?
Again they are contradicting themselves with their own evidence
How big an expert are you on missile sounds, exactly?
Well it likely wouldn't say "Top Secret Plan" on it if they did, and when it was first released anyone who could translate it was saying it's an awful translation that doesn't make sense and one you'd get out of google translate
It literally hasn’t been debunked. There’s still corroboration ongoing on what’s happened. Also if you think IDF don’t lie about their own behaviour then you’re just ignorant.
Not sure, but no one is calling the terrorists rocket scientists.
This has been debunked. Why would you trust a terrorist organisation?
I'm an expert in listening. I don't think you can put a silencer on a rocket launcher.
Again, what about the second point? All the threads people have shown seen to indicate the middle came from much much further away than the cemetery behind the hospital, even Israel posed "evidence" to that yesterday.
Like I said, their own "evidence" is contradicting itself.
Rocket scientists enough to come up with a brilliant plan to beat the most advanced security system in the world but then forget kids don't go to school at dawn on a weekend? Got it.
Well, we have our secrets in folders that are emblazoned with 'Top Secret' on the folders.
The average terrorist probably isn't exactly a Rhodes Scholar.
It's all about the level of evidence you're looking for. There's been a growing body of evidence over the last 24 hours to support the idea that this was a failed rocket launch. From the disceprancy between the damage at the bomb site and the damage Israeli bombs typically cause, to the timestamped livestream Al Jazeera footage showing a missile launching, failing, fragmenting and falling back to earth - causing a large explosion which looks extremely similar to the hospital explosion.
How much more evidence are you expecting? Because I suspect the burden of proof you're looking for is different to what you expected with regards to the allegations of babies being beheaded.
Hah. Someone needs to lay off the far-left propoganda.
Do you think Arabs were in those lands from the beginning of time? Who were the colonists then? The Muslims weren't the only ones to invade and conquer the land. Remember the Egyptians (Jewish slaves built the pyramids) and Romans?
Fascists murdered 6 million Jews 70ish years ago. Hamas has a stated goal of eradicating Jews from the planet. When the UK messed the region up, they proposed a two-state system for Israel and Palestine. Israel accepted, the latter rejected and together with other Arab countries chose war. They lost. Israel left Gaza in 2005. The next year the Palestinians elected a terrorist organization, who then removed the democratic process, that had clearly stated their hatred and desire to kill the Jews. If you lived next door to a terrorist group with a stated aim of eradicating you, how would you act?
I feel terrible for the innocent Palestinians. But they elected Hamas, the hatred is bred into them at a young age (see numerous videos online of Palestinian children playing "stab the Jew" or interviews of Palestinian kids at the UN SCHOOL in Gaza saying they would kill a Jew). Children. To quote an Israeli diplomat from the 70s, the moral difference between the two is that Jewish children are not taught to hate.
Israel has allowed millions of Palestinians in. 20% of the country or around 1.5 million people living in Israel are Palestinians. With full voting, democratic rights.
Hamas hides behind the innocent. Builds military op sites under churches, schools, hospitals, prevents withdrawal after the IDF warns of an impending attack (never seen Hamas give advanced warning, by the way). Hamas cares so much about their people that they dug up water pipes donated by the international community to make rockets out of them. Who needs clean water anyway?
What a complete shitshow. It’s a mystery as to what Isreal are really hoping to achieve here, all they are doing is creating more regional animosity guaranteeing another generation or two of future threats.
That said, it wouldn’t surprise me if Hamas are blowing up their own people as well.
That said, it wouldn’t surprise me if Hamas are blowing up their own people as well.
Palestinans are related to ethic Jews and share the same ancestry. They aren't colonizers but people living their from, as you said, the beginning of time.
It was more your implication that you can tell the difference between the sound of a missile coming from far away vs nearby that has me puzzled. I know I would have no clue how to tell the difference, based on whatever footage I've seen.
There's no point in reading or responding to stuff like this. I honestly don't understand what you think you are trying to achieve with this. Pretty much every single person in this thread has seen or heard variations of this Hasbara 101 nonsense at least a dozen times before. A beta version of ChatGPT could have written this post. The content is for babies, not adults.
Hasn’t the bolded long been debunked?
There is the issue of ~200 hostages held by Hamas, at the minimum.
I tend to lean towards the claim that Israel is not behind the hospital attack, but at the same time there's plenty of reason why "they have nothing to gain" argument doesn't hold up. This is a nation, with the entire world watching, who is having state officials spewing pure hatred normally attributed to terror groups, blocking off food, electricity and medicine to a civilian population of 2,5m, where almost half consists of children, already living in poverty and also who got nowhere to go for safety and consistantly bomb the same dense area with previous to zero regards to innocent civilians/off-limit targets like hospitals being collateral. If this is indeed a false flag or enemy mistake, then Israel is at fault for setting themselves up for such an accusation anyway.
Touche. Tour guide when I was in Giza told me that, so figured they were a decent authority. Hah.
The first posts in over 200+ pages that has applied logic to the whole mess.
I don't think most in this thread would believe the evidence presented, no matter how compelling it was as their minds are so violently opposed to Israel and anything to do with them. The utter hatred shown some posts is pretty telling. I also recall the utter dismissiveness when presented with the murder of babies and nothing in this thread surprises me any more.
Did Moses split the sea in half?
Nah, it's a natural occurrence.
Guys you are being trolled by @ATXRedDevil, just ignore him.
Also here is something about palestinians origin and their relation to jews.
Also here is something about palestinians origin and their relation to jews.
I’m no expert, I just remember being told that (by a Jewish fella actually, not that his faith makes him an expert, but he is a semi historian).
Gotcha! Yeah that’s what I was told, cheers for clarifying nimic
Yeah well one of those posts were measured, unlike yours. The other was a shocker. (Not Pogue)
If you expect people to react less emotionally I'd read another thread.
Personally I think this thread is really good despite the sadness and anger of different degrees that people must be feeling.
Thank you and I probably should have not come down on you as I unfortunately did. Tensions are running pretty high. But that is not an excuse.
How do you know all this stuff. Research I guess. But thank you. Very interesting.
They’re not going to bomb their way to freedom are they. I can’t see any scenario where those hostages are successfully retrieved by force.
If Hamas insists on putting military assets in densely populated civilian areas, is Israel supposed to just say screw it, we'll take the bombings? It's also pretty telling that Egypt refuses to help and has also blocked off access. In fact, they've reinforced the border. Israel on the other hand gives out 10s of thousands of work permits to Palestinians who cross into Israel each year to work higher paying jobs. Israel treats hundreds of thousands of Gazans each year in Israeli hospitals. I can understand how after the attacks, they're not so keen on helping anymore.
Nah, rode Noah's ark.
Such a dichotomy...
Regardless of what has actually happened in this instance, the mere fact that you think Israel gives a flying feck what anyone thinks is genuinely hilarious.
Here you have the votes.
I honestly think they are in a we cant negotiate with hostages situation. I think for Israelis the die is cast. Which is why i cant see any other outcome than a chronic occupation of gaza.
Totally forgot we had the OG himself!
So far we’ve seen an audio excerpt that’s been intercepted and a couple of online Twitter threads. The audio excerpt seems especially odd seeing as the Israelis had no idea what was happening on a much larger scale a week or so ago.
The Twitter threads may be credible to you but I’m waiting to see what transpires.
On the other side - we have people who were in the building say that the hospital was warned a few days ago, we have evidence that it had warning strikes/bombs from a few days prior. We have the Israeli minister claim the attack the delete the post. We have the IDF edit their post from ‘it’s us’ to ‘it’s someone else’. And then we of course have their pattern of behaviour over a prolonged period of time.
Again with the beheaded babies - you need to let it go.
With the beheaded babies claim, I knew it lacked credibility from fairly early on as all news outlets were pointing to one journalist. You’d think that it would have been shared with other journalists on the scene if it was the case, or shared by the IDF themselves given the shocking nature of it. Similarly the rape claims all came from a single US based online tabloid magazine which didn’t divulge anything specific in terms of sources and spoke about it in generalities. All news sources went with it that tabloid mag. And again, it was quickly found to be untrue.
The hospital issue is a bit more murky, I have my viewpoint which I’ve shared, but it’s certainly not as easy to disprove (yet) as the beheaded babies claim.