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Race to the bottom by both sides.
You need to consider the power of historical memory and traditions passed down through generations to understand the roots of Jewish Israelis’ very real sense of vulnerability. You’re not obliged to accept its validity, but dismissing it as a cynical cover for national chauvinism (with which it exists side by side) will not lead to a genuine understanding of what drives it. I understand though that many will not be interested in exploring it at this moment.
Velshi is doing amazing reporting from the south of Israel so he's still in his weekend AM slot basically, Ayman is constantly on air as a guest for the hourlies, not sure what is taking place with Medhi. Disappointing that both Ayman & Medhi have been moved out of their weekend evening slots, they both are fantastic watches & offer up much needed nuance & pushback...
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It's their battle plans. It would at least be on the leaders of the squads.
I think you're one of the most informed and best posters on this subject so have great respect for what you have to say.
Is it me or has news been slow this Friday evening?
I don't see the value in bringing individual voices into the thread which display hate. Quite a few have now linked to a Jewish person calling for thefull destruction of Palestinians and there have been clips of Palestinians calling for the death of all Jews.
These are extreme voices. Quite often either the very young or the very old, or those who have just experienced tragedy. In this very thread you have Israelis who have spoken about their feelings, both before and since the events of Saturday that I feel give a fairer view of the general civilian feeling and I don't believe the Palestinian children truly believe in the death to Jews message they are fed by the likes of Hamas.
Maybe it would be better to start highlighting those voices that aren't radicalised.
These are extreme voices. Quite often either the very young or the very old, or those who have just experienced tragedy. In this very thread you have Israelis who have spoken about their feelings, both before and since the events of Saturday that I feel give a fairer view of the general civilian feeling and I don't believe the Palestinian children truly believe in the death to Jews message they are fed by the likes of Hamas.
Maybe it would be better to start highlighting those voices that aren't radicalised.
I would guess the tactics will be to clear everybody from Gaza City, flatten it with bombs and artillery, then move ground troops in to hunt for tunnels and blow the entrances. They will not be fighting underground so that won't require huge numbers long term.
They're supposedly getting almost 500k troops ready between active and reserve forces and have been training heavily in a mockup of Gaza City.
"I have a different idea of a universal. It is of a universal rich with all that is particular, rich with all the particulars there are, the deepening of each particular, the coexistence of them all ."
I mean it could be true. But really does seem like we are back in the 9/11 era where everything is getting reported on regardless of how strange it appears.
I believe there’s also the constant spectre of existential threat to Jews in the diaspora (real or perceived) , which Israel and its citizens feel a constant responsibility towards. It is the last bastion, where Jews can live without fear or death or persecution. No internal threat cannot go unanswered.
Is the Saudi-Israel deal dead now? Has there been any reports about it?
I think there has been victim blaming but not here and not from the people in the crossfire.
There's a video gone viral of two women tearing down posters Jewish people in London put up of their relatives (kids) who were kidnapped. Put up asking for anyone who has information updates to contact them. Those two women got a lot of push back initially for being cruel and insensitive to tear them down and dump them on the floor. But then others jumped on mocking these Jewish families saying that posters in London are dumb and they deserved the treatment.
Now this is the crux I have noticed that the victim blamers aren't the Palestinians themselves or the Arab world. But people thousands of miles away in safe places like London. Because by that logic what's the point in having pro-Palestinian rallies and concerts in public parks which do happen in London. That does nothing to help the Palestinians. I think that's the double standard that Jewish people in Britain believe goes against them. That they're an acceptable minority to mock in this country.
There's a video gone viral of two women tearing down posters Jewish people in London put up of their relatives (kids) who were kidnapped. Put up asking for anyone who has information updates to contact them. Those two women got a lot of push back initially for being cruel and insensitive to tear them down and dump them on the floor. But then others jumped on mocking these Jewish families saying that posters in London are dumb and they deserved the treatment.
Now this is the crux I have noticed that the victim blamers aren't the Palestinians themselves or the Arab world. But people thousands of miles away in safe places like London. Because by that logic what's the point in having pro-Palestinian rallies and concerts in public parks which do happen in London. That does nothing to help the Palestinians. I think that's the double standard that Jewish people in Britain believe goes against them. That they're an acceptable minority to mock in this country.
Also, I don't think it's fair to dismiss the very long, complex history of the region just because it doesn't suit a narrative.
The reason the region is a basket case is because of the millennia of fecked up shit done by many groups and powers. And all of it plays a part in the situation today.
The reason the region is a basket case is because of the millennia of fecked up shit done by many groups and powers. And all of it plays a part in the situation today.
Thanks, will read.
It's often forgotten in times when the Israel Palestine situation flairs up, outside of that relatively tiny part of the world, Jews are a minority everywhere else in the world and often subjected to increased levels of antisemitism.
So as we would all call out islamophobia post Islamic terrorism, we need to do the same now.
But more importantly, the Israeli government need to consider the wider impact their actions have on Jewish people around the world.
Incorrect 'plane' reference in the top tweet, the tail rotor is clearly visible to the right of the fire...
Very believable given that its precisely how it unfolded. A well rehearsed, pre-mediated act to kill as many civilians as possible including infants, the elderly, and anyone else, and take hostages as collateral to mitigate the inevitable Israeli response. If one wanted Hamas to commit suicide as an organization as quickly as possible, this would be the precise recommendation on how to do it.
Multi-account?
I'd say its alive but frozen until the Israelis eliminate Hamas. The Saudis wanted certain provisions about the future of Palestinians, which the Israelis would never agree to while Hamas was still in existence.
IDF level intelligence
Nah, but it does seem a tad fishy.
Is it even possible to eliminate Hamas when a new group will just sprout to replace them in the Gaza Strip?
Plus do the Saudi's really care about the future of the Palestinian people. MBS seems to be only concerned about securing his own power. I hope it ends up being his undoing
The right of return was one of several difficult "final status issues" that had to be resolved, but no, I don't believe that was decisive at all. Essentially, you had the Palestinians demanding their minimum rights as codified in the international consensus for resolving the conflict, annual UN General Assembly resolution, "Peaceful Settlement of the Question of Palestine". On the other, you have Israel trying to keep as many settlements and retain as much security control as they can. And then of course there's Jerusalem. fecking Jerusalem. An almost impossible puzzle to solve. But possible. Just not in the time that was available and with the political situation in Israel at those times.
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They won’t. Wait until 2 million people with nowhere to go can be moved….they’d be waiting months
That's a hell of quote. Wow
Exactly. I've been wondering this exact question. If Israel seeks to eliminate Hamas, how many Palestinians is it prepared to murder to achieve that goal? Could it take a hundred thousand? Ok then what? Then what? A population of >2 million, seething with hatred and revenge, but no Hamas. Yippee.
I've seen complaints from Israelis that football isn't showing as much support for them as it did for Ukraine. Personally I can't feel the same because I believe Israel's government is about to do even worse than Hamas. I'm glad of anyone who declines to fly Israeli flags given what they're about to do.
The Israelis will probably occupy Gaza after Hamas are gone, as opposed to now where its left alone which allowed a group like Hamas can set up shop.
As for the latter point, MBS has said he wants assurances on the Palestinians, so that's going to be the sticking point going forward. I don't think he cares about them, but he does need to flog the facade to the Arab world that Saudi Arabia is negotiating on behalf of Palestinian interests.
See the first bit here.
Israel bogged down in an occupation of Gaza and Saudi stuck in limbo sounds like a gold mine for Iran
It’s from The Question of Palestine which is required reading and the most eloquent statement of the Palestinian cause to be found (in English anyway).
How many cruise ships will be required to carry 2m+ people? This safe passage process just doesn’t seem possible at all. Something i believe Hamas knew and probably counted on. With each civilian death, it’s probably helping Hamas more than one would believe. Israel really needs to rethink their approach else this will end up helping Hamas only.
Nope. I already put him on ignore because of some of his views in a different topic.
Delusional.