BarstoolProphet
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Yea, what transpired in the kibbutzes is horrific, and my sympathy goes out to all the victims. You'll never advance your political motives by killing innocent civilians. That's always been my viewpoint. My initial point is we've seen various unsubstantiated bollocks to make an atrocity seem worse for whatever reason (hence my point about atrocity propaganda).
The situation for Hamas fighters I can't shed light on I'm afraid. Most of my contacts in the region live in Jerusalem and Khalil. There are tunnels beneath Gaza, but how advanced they are, whether they're capable of hosting 50,000 people, and food, water, fuel etc - it sounds pretty made up, but I don't know. Whether Hamas 'cares' about Palestinians is a hard question to answer. They see themselves as the last bastion of resistance - they have a dim view of the PA for even negotiating, and it's important to remember - Hamas only came into existence because of Israeli actions. They weren't even part of the picture until the late 80s. And because they see themselves in that light, they are - without a doubt- the extreme element of Palestinian resistance. And that extreme nature comes with ugly extreme actions and reactions to Israeli ugly extreme actions and reactions.
But even if they weren't in the picture - we'd still have an extreme ugly Israel. Because they're the constant in this thing - they don't want a two state solution and they are a fascist government with a fascist Zionist agenda.
Thank you for this. I wasn't trying to make their atrocity even worse by bringing up details of what they apparently have done there, I'm just trying to make sense of it from their point of view if the reports about the inhabitants in the kibbutzes are indeed true. Causing terror for general Israelis "makes sense"*, but targeting openly and well-known pro-Palestinians/-peace settlements does not, if you understand what I mean. Maybe I'm coming across as pedantic or something, but I just feel it's important to separate them from Palestinians now and the way forward. But anyway, the most important thing is to focus on the suffering the civilians now are experiencing.
I do agree that Israel created that beast.
*just to clarify, terror in any shape or form makes no sense at all from a human perspective.