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This is my first post in this thread I think.
Forget allegiances, if Israel are retaliating to HAMAS' attack (which in itself could be argued as a retaliation) by attacking an area which is now populated by innocent Palestinians, Israeli hostages, and indeed some terrorists then this isn't going to end without intervention from major powers.
Seems like it is going round in circles. Horrific from both sides.
Forget allegiances, if Israel are retaliating to HAMAS' attack (which in itself could be argued as a retaliation) by attacking an area which is now populated by innocent Palestinians, Israeli hostages, and indeed some terrorists then this isn't going to end without intervention from major powers.
Seems like it is going round in circles. Horrific from both sides.
Thank you. And yes there's a clear double standard at play but at least you're cognisant and honest that it exists.
None. It's vile. I'm 50 and this has been breaking my heart since I was a teenager.
Browns/Muslims. Its that simple.
Revenge isn't acceptable and serves only to further divide.
This conflict is basically a never ending series of revenge attacks on both sides with people arguing why their side is justified in taking revenge because the other side did something terrible, which was justified by their supporters as revenge... And so on.
The cycle is already in full flow. Israel is in the process of enacting it's revenge and already the inevitable revenge Hamas will enact is being justified just as many people are justifying Israels actions.
The cycle needs to be broken. How is the impossible question. We can look to past examples like the GFA which show diplomacy as the answer or we can look to WW2 and the Pacific in particular and how the US finally brought Japan to its knees. There's no guarantees though.
According to UN's website, if I'm interpreting it correctly, casualties in Gaza since 2008 have been roughly 5,300. With that in mind, I reckon when we see the casualty figure rising to the tens of thousands, then international pressure will pile on Israel and I don't think the Israeli's would want to go that far. But that's just a wild guess from me. And no, that's not acceptable if you think I'd condone something like that.
Both of you know very well though that Israel will not go as far as killing 2 million Palestinians. That would be a top 10 genocide of all time.
This thread seems very pro Palestine or, at the very least, pro peace. Not that the situations are really comparable given how unique Israel's creation was but very few seem to want civilians to suffer for terrorist's actions
Just as you have said we all need to be careful with the language used regarding the alleged beheading of infants, it also applies to the prediction of genocide.
Throughout all this, as yet, Israel has never seeked to kill everyone in Gaza. Even now, going to that extreme would be an enormous leap.
Technically they aren't at war with Palestine, but with the rogue state Gazzan Hamas. It's a huge mess.
More likely they will make Gaza so lacking in basic infrastructure and unable to sustain such a high number of people that it creates a refugee crisis which forces as many Palestinian's to move (to where, they probably don't care) as possible. There's no way they just go and kill people with the world watching, not even the US would be able to stomach allying with them on that.
Minister here is Idit Silman.
You just know there's already a list.
Israel has never laid siege to Gaza, in this manner, or bombed so ruthlessly or indiscriminately, so we're in new territory here.
In this day and age that means nothing unfortunately.
Thanks for the mention
I am. Egypt is safe. Even visiting Southern Sinai, like Sharm el Sheikh or Dahab, should be ok. The only problem is Nothern Sinai, but that's a region closed for tourists as well as Egyptians.
Cairo and a Nile cruise should be fine. Hope you and your family have a good time.
What the hell are they doing. And you hear nothing about it in the media too...
Thanks for the mention
I am. Egypt is safe. Even visiting Southern Sinai, like Sharm el Sheikh or Dahab, should be ok. The only problem is Nothern Sinai, but that's a region closed for tourists as well as Egyptians.
Cairo and a Nile cruise should be fine. Hope you and your family have a good time.
Thanks Avatar!
Now that you've all eased my worries, we will.
You know we're through the looking glass when Peter Hitchens seems to make sense.
He's right but there is not a nation on this planet, past, present or future that won't use blockades to squeeze their enemy.
It's one of the most effective tactics of war. Used for centuries, by tribes, nations and alliances. Cut off supplies to break the will of the enemy.
If war every broke out between Russia and Europe, there is no doubt at all that both sides would seek to cut off the other. Whether that's through bombing power plants and the like or through naval blockades. It's to effective not to be used.
Thank you for posting that. A powerful read.
I mean yeah that's fine and all that, it's just the head of the EU shouldn't be making contradictory statements such as these.
The scary thing about what he's saying is the fact that Hamas is currently the leader of a rogue state of 2.3 million people and at war with Israel. If they have no concern for the civilian population, no incentive to protect their lives, how does the war end? It's a small terrorist organisation acting like a terrorist organisation while running a state.
Meanwhile the Saudis want Israel to negotiate with the PLO about a ceasefire and a two state solution, which is a great idea on paper, except Hamas doesn't listen to the Saudis or the PLO?
I disagree with a lot of it, but it seems all he wants is peace at the end of the day which is great. I would just ask him if he thought the entire territory was peaceful prior to Hamas doing what they did.
Tbf it's what these people do. There statements rarely carry any emotion and are carefully crafted for the moment.
Aww christ, thoughts are completely with you & your people.
Free Palestine.
There may be a good reasonyou haven't heard it yet. Let's see if it's true. Remember, disinformation is used by both sides.
I do love it when there's a cracking conversation in the pub with lots of interesting debate from all sides, respectfully conducted. And then the village drunk pops his head round the door to chant a slogan.
This
Continue with your cracking conversation.