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Turnover not takeover
Well humans managed without electricity for 1000's of years so whilst preferable it isn't technically essential, without water you dieOnly if you consider that water isn't essential.
Well humans managed without electricity for 1000's of years so whilst preferable it isn't technically essential, without water you dieOnly if you consider that water isn't essential.
Saw this coming.China has called for an immediate ceasefire
Well humans managed without electricity for 1000's of years so whilst preferable it isn't technically essential, without water you die
I completely agree JP, I was saying how Israel and it's allies will frame it.This isn't a biology quizz. Gaza relies on plants to get fresh water, I don't care about biology 101 but the reality of life in Gaza.
Sadly it seems pretty clear Israel's plan is to go into Gaza which only has one outcome and that is mass casualties for everyone coupled with them levelling everything they can't capture.I just hope Israel threatens a humanitarian catastrophe only to put pressure on Hamas to release the hostages, maybe even force the Palestinians themselves to turn on Hamas. I don't believe that even Netanyahu is ready to go through with a genocide. He would lose all international support and we'd probably see a Dresden like bombing already if it was the case.
I completely agree JP, I was saying how Israel and it's allies will frame it.
Sadly it seems pretty clear Israel's plan is to go into Gaza which only has one outcome and that is mass casualties for everyone coupled with them levelling everything they can't capture.
There's a crazy amount of misinformation in this thing.
Well what's clear is Hamas can't exist anymore after what they've done.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/10/11/politics/us-intelligence-iran-hamas-doubt/index.htmlThe United States has collected specific intelligence that suggests senior Iranian government officials were caught by surprise by Saturday’s bloody attack on Israel by Hamas, according to multiple sources familiar with the intelligence.
Didn't the WSJ literally report the contrary?
There's a crazy amount of misinformation in this thing.
Guess it's okay to kill those people. They're just "Collateral Damage" or "Bait" or "A shield" for hamas to hide behind.Everyone looks the other way
This is true. Can't see them going back to the old stalemate after this. Hamas will likely be gone after the ground invasion.
Jordan’s King Abdullah said on Wednesday that the two-state solution will provide security, peace and stability in the region.
“Our region will not enjoy security and stability without achieving a just and comprehensive peace based on the two-state solution,” King Abdullah told Jordan’s parliament in a speech.
You’re moving purposefully away from what you said and this is a weak response. Attempting to say I compared Palestine to West Germany is poor form, clearly dispelled by simply looking at the post exchange. The ending to your post is somewhat ironic.
Ok leaving aside my comparison, my point is not every Palestinian is a member of Hamas. Israel’s response is going to create them further long term problems. Whilst I understand their emotional reaction, it’s not going to solve any problem for them, it’s going to exacerbate the problemsI get the analogy you're trying to make, but the calculus was simply different. Had all of the IRA been stuck in Belfast unable to escape and they'd just rolled into London and killed 1200+, you could viably have seen a siege of the city. It wouldn't have looked the same as there were far less of them and they didn't have heavy weaponry, but it would have been brutal. Look at Afghanistan and Iraq. Places far away, but still.
You do realize that one could say the exact same thing about Israel, right? The Israeli coalition overplayed its hand, and as the elected government of Israel is ultimately responsible for what its actions bring upon their people. It's not nice, it's not fair and it's not moral - it's just reality.Hamas overplayed their hand, and as the "elected" government of Gaza are ultimately responsible for what their actions bring upon their people. It's not nice, it's not fair and it's not moral - it's just reality. Unfortunately that means sending soldiers into Gaza, and that means preparing the ground by bombing the place. The best we can hope for is Egypt opening the border and letting civilians flee there.
King of Jordan, as reported by CNN, promotes the two-state solution.
Don't know if they were surprised but they definitely weren't leading the attack. Then again, many senior Hamas members weren't told so anything is possible.Initial intel suggests Iran was surprised.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/10/11/politics/us-intelligence-iran-hamas-doubt/index.html
Ok leaving aside my comparison, my point is not every Palestinian is a member of Hamas. Israel’s response is going to create them further long term problems. Whilst I understand their emotional reaction, it’s not going to solve any problem for them, it’s going to exacerbate the problems
This entire situation is just tragic. Tragic for Israeli civilians, tragic for Palestinians and tragic for everyone who have been working om a two state solution. Gazans are trapped in a cage with no way out, just waiting to be killed. It is unconscionable.
It's so hard to see a solution. Even if Israel gave back the West Bank territories, and with billions of aid money for infrastructure and development, the challenges of building and maintaining a functioning Palestinian state are enormous.
@Ragnar123 was given justification for the blockage of Gaza and apartheid in West Bank by referencing the wars Israel has fought and their security. I gave an example of a country that started two world wars and were a free country 10 years afterwards.
You can argue about East Germany, but that was because it the Soviet Union, who pretty much everyone agrees were not correct in what they were doing there. Also, East Germans had much much more freedom than any Palestinians today.
Now tell me, did Germans suffer the same fate as the Palestinians have for the last 50 years? Do all wars result in an apartheid? Do you get why I made the comparison and any justification for what Israel have done as being a consequence of war is stupid?
I was talking about those just on the members lists of those pro-Palestine college groups, not her. It's different if she's student president posting confrontationally, rather than just a name on a list the uni would be ethically dubious in sharing.I think the problem with this instance is the tone of that message was shockingly gleeful and she did it as the president of an entire student body at an elite university. Hard to feel sympathetic at that. Even if she didn't mean for it to come across like that it's just one example of many where the people cheering on Hamas's actions as heroic revolutionaries are thousands of miles away and appear to treat it as a role play.