You can argue electricity isn't essential to human life, water on the other hand is a different matter.
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It's an odd quirk of how people (including myself) think that the idea of babies being beheaded is seen as being materially worse than babies "just" being killed in any other violent way Hamas or Israel manage to do it.
The man skipped 1300 years of history.
The Journal of Modern African Studies, is a bad source?
Wonder if the source of that disinfo is from here, which was then retweeted by Shapiro.
The infrastructures that provide, clean and dispose of water generally require electricity especially in an area as densely populated as Gaza that relies heavily on desalination plants.
You can still argue electricity isn't essential.
Austria put a stop to the desalinization days ago I though?
I think the problem with this instance is the tone of that message was shockingly gleeful and she did it as the president of an entire student body at an elite university. Hard to feel sympathetic at that. Even if she didn't mean for it to come across like that it's just one example of many where the people cheering on Hamas's actions as heroic revolutionaries are thousands of miles away and appear to treat it as a role play.
Only if you consider that water isn't essential.
There are some problems between Israel and Palestine, that NK and SK don't have. For one the geography doesn't allow a simple border, because Gaza isn't connected with the bigger Palestine part. What happens with it? Should 2 million people be forced to move in that scenario? Or should a Palestine state be devided into 2 parts? In this case many of Gaza's problems would remain, in fact would there be any change at all?
In a 2-state solution both want to govern Jerusalem. What are we doing there? Also what happens with the Jews living on the west bank that would become a Palestinian state? And there are more questions. I don't see a solution to this.
yeah... Conclusion sounded pretty on point though, if unrealistic.This looks like a propaganda account. Why do they need to be shared, if something is verifiable then some credible medium will report it soon enough.
I'd go further and say freedom of thought should be pretty much absolute; the scouring social media for an employees opinions on life is rather creepy. I'm surprised the EU even allow it really.
That said, in the moment, if somebody has said something stupid, you have an absolute freedom to not hire them for it. 20 years later, it should be forgotten.
It was just reported on CNN as well. Like I said pages ago, I'm sure more information will come to light once the authorities have a chance to find out what truly happened in the kibutzs.
Their hospitals also can't function without electricity. People will surely die as a direct result of the power being shut off.
Electricity is only non-essential in the strict biological sense of what it takes to keep a fit and healthy person alive.
@Hanks Only tangentially relevant, but looks like Iran have significantly lost control on their proxies since Soleimanis demise. Thanks team USA! That and Russias ascent of course has eroded the network.
Freedom of thought and expression is not the same as freedom of consequences. If you spout stuff for the whole world to see, then you have to expect that someone companies might not want to be associated with you.
And that's the line Israel will use.
Getting whiplash.
I mean...isn't this the usual free speech cancel culture war stuff? Free from the government, but not free from how your friends, family and work act towards you.
That being said, I'm always extremely disapproving of people losing their job over an opinion. Which is different I guess from not hiring in the first place.
Well that was my point. Wait five minutes and you don't have to amplify a propaganda account.
If freedom of thought should be absolute then you have no say on when someone ever forget or forgive something.
Sure, I said exactly that. (you have an absolute freedom not to hire them) I don't think companies should be deepdiving for those opinions though. If they were egregious enough, they would be outlawed. (eg Nazi supporters in Germany) - I don't believe that support for Hamas from some stupid student should affect them 10 years down the line.
There’s a fascinating section in Robert Fisk’s Pity the Nation where he interviews an Israeli pilot responsible for conducting air strikes on Beirut during 1982, some of which Fisk himself had reported on. The main thing I remember is how distant from the destruction the pilot claimed to feel flying high above the city as he unleashed hell below. Of course with the development of drone technology that distance has only grown since those years. But it probably explains the reaction to hands-on violence such as throat-cutting and beheading (to be clear I’m not saying it has happened here). It evokes a different era and seems to make demands on the human psyche that launching missiles just doesn’t, though the result might not differ much. What exactly this says about human nature I’m not quite sure.
Yep, they are war criminals.
If somebody doesn't know something, they cannot forget or forgive it.
Eg. If you go to a Palestine rally today and say you wish Israel was destroyed, I might not forget or ever hire you. But somebody does not need to AI search security cameras in 20 years to find you at that rally and make the same conclusions.
Israel has discriminately attacked Palestinians, taken their land, targeted kids and the elderly. They have the military and intelligence service that up until this weekend was second to none. So anticipating terror plots and stopping them was in their capacity. But the level of bombardment from their side wasn't all reacting to terror plots just both on the frequency but also Hamas has periods of being neutralised and the strikes still came.
There's no argument that Israel is the belligerent force in the two sides.
I can understand why people in the crossfires resort to attacks because there's no hope. But the celebrations aren't coming from them or their supportive neighbours. I just don't believe there can be people in the UK or the US who are cheerleading Hamas after what they just done as if it's a glorious revolution. It's not like Hamas represents the people. They're a militant group who in their own way crush Palestinians with force to maintain their status.
There's no argument that Israel is the belligerent force in the two sides.
I can understand why people in the crossfires resort to attacks because there's no hope. But the celebrations aren't coming from them or their supportive neighbours. I just don't believe there can be people in the UK or the US who are cheerleading Hamas after what they just done as if it's a glorious revolution. It's not like Hamas represents the people. They're a militant group who in their own way crush Palestinians with force to maintain their status.
This entire situation is just tragic. Tragic for Israeli civilians, tragic for Palestinians and tragic for everyone who have been working om a two state solution. Gazans are trapped in a cage with no way out, just waiting to be killed. It is unconscionable.
It's so hard to see a solution. Even if Israel gave back the West Bank territories, and with billions of aid money for infrastructure and development, the challenges of building and maintaining a functioning Palestinian state are enormous.
It doesn't have to be during these events, its controversial to be anti-Israel all days of the year in the US. I'm not sure of Europe, but the pro-Israel-ness of US even in the public has been super over the top for years. I posted this before https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20181218-texas-teacher-fired-for-refusing-to-sign-anti-bds-oath/ and its the case in ~37 states and its just one example.
You are policing the way people should think and act, while also stating that people should have absolute freedom of thoughts. Surely you realize that you are in fact not in favor of absolute freedom of thought?
There's no tweet for it yet. In either case, its been reported by a major outlet based on a report from an Israeli official.
You're somewhat right. Though I'm not policing it; I just don't think it's the right thing to do; i dont think its needed. It's not up to me what others do though.
Cnn have said this from a quick peek:
Maj. Gen. Veruv said his soldiers spent “about 48 hours” fighting “waves and waves of terrorists” on roads and in neighboring communities. He said he had started fighting militants in the Yakhini moshav (community) on Saturday, moving then “from battle to battle,” on the road to Sderot, before reaaching the Be’eri kibbutz on Monday evening.
“I saw hundreds of terrorists in full armor, full gear, with all the equipment and all the ability to make a massacre, go from apartment to apartment, from room to room and kill babies, mothers, fathers in their bedrooms,” Veruv said.
A covered body is seen lying on the ground in Kfar Aza.
Muhammad Darwish/CNN
Veruv said he had been retired from the IDF for eight years before rushing to join the counter-offensive efforts on Saturday morning, but nothing could have prepared him for what he saw.
“I have heard during my childhood about the pogroms in Europe, the Holocaust, of course. All my family came from Europe, they are survivors. But I never thought I would see…things like that,” he said about the scene in Kfar Aza.
They also have this:
Babies and toddlers were found with their “heads decapitated” in Kfar Aza in southern Israel after Hamas’ attacks in the kibbutz over the weekend, Tal Heinrich, a spokesperson for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, said on Wednesday.
I admire the search for optimism in this thread but I don’t see Korea as any kind of template. Firstly, they are all Koreans and are split artificially as a result of occupation, WWII and the Cold War (and now China’s desire for a buffer state). Also, both Koreas have territorial integrity and are backed by a major power.
In Israel/Palestine, what are the two states? Current Palestine is cut into two pieces, one of which is about to be razed and the other is hollowed out and atomised by illegal settlements. There was possibly a chance for that solution in the 90s but now I only see the remaining Palestinians facing exile or a barely tolerated existence in reservations/Bantustans. I wish I could be more positive…
China has called for an immediate ceasefire
exactly what he needs to keep power.
Hezbollah had just announced that it has no fear of the USS Gerald Ford strike group in the Med.
Madness.
Madness.
It's Andrew Neil, who thought GB News was a good idea. His judgement shouldn't be respected.