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Which is why I said if. The point being that there is no peaceful alternative because neither side is led or has been led by peaceful leaders.
A first step would involve speaking with one galvanized voice instead of with two feuding geographically isolated factions, each with a different strategy on how to move forward. A second would be total demilitarization, the ditching of paramilitary groups committed to the destruction of Israel, not being Iranian proxies (both of the latter being obvious showstoppers among the Israelis). Given the events of the past few days, that decision has now been taken off the table since Hamas' days are numbered as well.
I'm from Belfast and I live in England. Pretty much everyone I've ever met in my 30 years of living here knows next to nothing about the Troubles.
Up until this, I'd agree. But this was an apocalyptic move by Hamas. I'm reasonably certain Hamas will functionally cease to exist as a result of it.
That post debunks and confirms nothing. “They have no information confirming” means they don’t have permission to speak.
You are making a good argument for Israel to keep arming themselves and have the strongest military/intelligence possible… Not a good argument to do the carnage we are witnessing now that will only generate more terrorism for the future…
Israel existing without any threat against the safety of its people? I imagine it would be so confused the country would implode.
https://x.com/trtworld/status/1711750682733355146?s=20
As a very very smart man says a lot. Very concerning.
As a very very smart man says a lot. Very concerning.
Assuming it is indeed false (and I like to think even barbarians would think twice about hurting babies) - then even reports like this are probably too late and people will continue to run with it. Mission accomplished for someone planting it.
It'll be major relief if Hamas terrorists just shot children instead of beheading them.
Why is Israel and Palestinian support drawn along sectarian lines so strongly? Never understood it.
You're answering a hypothetical with another.
Let me rephrase this directly - what should the Palestinians do? Violence is absolutely not the answer, so what should they look to do?
I also do happen to live in Germany and absolutely love the people here. While the german mainstream media and government are as pro-Israel as it gets, for very obvious reasons, there's also plenty of sympathy towards the Palestinian cause across the population and other newspapers. It's unfair to put everyone under the same umbrella.
It is not difficult to read intentions between the lines.
Right, and let's say in some miraculous turn of events the Palestinians factions all coerce under one, pacificist movement and completely demilitarise. Do you think the Israelis will finally declare their borders and stop building settlements? And if not who stops them?
Nice to hear from you, I was worried we hadn't heard from you since these attacks happened.
I suppose white slave owners and South Africans thought the same before thinking of giving black people rights. 'If we give them their rights and set them free, they'll kill all of us like they have been doing'.
I can guarantee that there will be a lot more peace if Israel moved all their settlements back and gave Palestinians their freedom.
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Um no. Unfortunately not. Common uses for babies in hellholes include burning them on fires or on the stake whilst their parents watch, nailing them to the cross, and smashing them into concrete by the head for sport.
Oh I agree. I don't really know why but to me this feels like a final move, this one feels like the only goal is to create martyrs and burgeons of hate among gazan kids. It's a bit sinister but basically, Hamas is dead but they are planting the seeds for something else.
What unsubstantiated bollocks?
Edit, oh the babies. Shot or abducted instead of decapitated presumably.
Scumbag Hinkle is sharing videos of dead babies being pulled from rubble in response. He's also showing the journalists who reported the beheaded babies stuff is now rowing back a bit in her later updates.
It would create the political conditions for those negotiations to happen and would turn the tide within much of Israeli society towards peace as well. The Israelis are obviously never going to take something like this seriously with one of the two Palestinian factions spending all their time working with the Iranians to plot rockets attacks or events such as last weekend.
No need to deflect, your words shamed you all by themselves.
Beheadings in a kibbutz, it was reported by I24 that man, woman, kids and babies were beheaded but it is now being allegedly denied by the Israeli Army.
Nah, some hapless group or another would claim the aliens are there for them and we'd keep on killing each other.
Getting rid of Hamas would obviously be a start, but after the attack I don't think there is much that can be done for the foreseeable future - other than beg the international community to put some kind of restraint on Israel.
One population oppressed the indigenous population. Britain were central to the violence which followed. There are parallels.
I have no idea who you are, but good to see I have fans here.
Trying to piggyback upon the ridiculous propaganda campaign (in cultural saturation terms) that went with the Ukrainian invasion. Might be worth mentioning that you're supporting Russia in this conflict, analogously, lest that be too conducive to cognitivie dissonance via doublethink.
But Israeli policy has been to divide the Palestinians, with Netanyahu himself claiming it beneficial to keep Hamas' ranks bolstered. The fact is the leaders of neither side want peace, as the status quo bolsters both their respective positions. Iran are obviously culpable in continuing to arm belligerent factions, but the same can be said for the US for giving Israel carte blanche in their own colonialist policies via diplomatic and military protection.
This idea that the onus lies on the Palestinians to steer a path to peace is a false one at best. And even if they do oblige there's no guarantees Israel would oblige them in a just manner, nor would it guarantee they'd cease obliging the ultra-orthodox demographic who consider it a God given right for them to amass as much land as they can.
Allegations of babies being slaughtered to whip up war sentiment are as old as the hills - in 1914 the British press was reporting the same stories about German soldiers in Belgium. As though 240 people being killed at a music festival is not repulsive enough.
Sweet and Naive
Yeah I said this earlier.
She took what a soldier said and completely twisted it to 40 babies being beheaded.
Now back tracking the stupid cnut
And expected fog of war atrocity claims that no one can verify but fine for either side because it goes viral (with one side having an edge) and then walking it back is something few ever care about.
And do you not see an issue with that? Put the fate of your people's future at hands of the same international community that has been apathetic towards their plight, and fearful of upsetting their Israeli allies?
Babies being thrown on the hospital floor to drum up support for the Gulf War as well.
No country worth its salt would accept a total demilitarization, unless you want to self-destruct. You're living in a fantasy land and I don't believe for one second that you seriously meant that.
They allied to Iran because they've been fecked over for the past 50 years and no one else wants to. It's their only chance to survive as a country.
I've yet to see in which alternate reality a country boasting one of the most powerful armies, one the best intelligence agencies, and to top it all, backed to the hilt by the whole western world and the most powerful military in human history is in danger of destruction by a couple of lunatics with AK 47s and unguided rockets. Oh, they also have about 150 nukes, should someone get any idea. This myth needs to die.
Even if you kill every single Hamas member, as long as the same conditions persists, another extremist organization will take their place. That's how it works. Keep the blinders on and history will repeat itself.
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