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Not listening to him, did he say anything about American hostages?
I don't remember who you were, but I wish you'd been correct when you laughed at me about casualty numbers the other days.
11 hostages, negotiators and top hostage retrieval in the region.
These american numbers aren't adding up.
This whole calling the victims British, American etc is it accurate?
What I mean is these are "dual nationals" often IDF reservists so surely Israeli?
Was listening to a fella on LBC this morning. Lives in London but was preparing for his fourth tour as an idf reservist. He isn't in the British army but goes to fight whenever called for Israel. So what nationality is he?
Exactly the way I look at it. Hopefully for the Israelis in particular though the opposition will finally find a way to dislodge Netanyahu.
He's dual nationality. Why would he be 'less' British ?
Any French speakers who can confirm whether this is the correct translation? She seems to indicate journalists witnessed it themselves. She also just tweeted about CNN confirming it.
Indeed, maybe the really did end up with a much more successful assault than they anticipated?
I speak enough French to tell you that she said more or less exactly what that says.
Confirms that Israeli soldiers are saying it at least. Presumably if it's true we'll here subsequent reports emerging.
They are both terrible events in their own right.
I don't think there's an obligation to do so on the next breath. Because what happens in actuality is the next breath becomes the next post, which becomes the next page, which becomes the next thread, which becomes "whataboutism"
And who does it look bad to? And why? Language isn't neutral. There's a purpose behind efforts to silence or minimize anything outside of the events from Sunday.
I'll take your word for it - after all you're cheerleading a genocidal mass murdering regime - you must be an expert.
Not in support of what Israel have been doing recently or their expansion of territory over the decades.
But what did Hammas think this attack was was going to achive? They have given Netanyahu the excuse to go all-out attack on Gaza. I think there will be lucky if there is anything left in 3 weeks time.
But what did Hammas think this attack was was going to achive? They have given Netanyahu the excuse to go all-out attack on Gaza. I think there will be lucky if there is anything left in 3 weeks time.
My point was wider just than the one guy. I was dual national once, just British now, as I recall I couldn't fight for my other nationalities army and still be dual national during service. It was a while back and I was contemplating a life in the military.
My point was more the first but of my post. If I had joined the army of the country I am originally from and was killed or captured I wouldn't be a British national killed or captured, just a soldier of the army I was representing no?
Even if I wasn't in the army and was caught by dissidents (there is conflict where I am from) then surely I'm just a local resident?
You're correct about the uyigur treatment but at the same time China has also invested billions in Xinjiang infrastructure, schools, hospitals and jobs. Like I said, they're on a major charm offensive now.
I've been looking at this from various sources and it seems to stem from one woman, reporter for i24 who was at the kibbutz. Available on YouTube. She showed live footage of the area. Some shocking pics of dead people but nothing on the 40 children. Just said some commander had said something, again she added the 40 babies bit later.
External media were given first access and most Israeli media kept away, to get news out. No one mentioned it from other media. Those who eventually ran with it cite her. No pics of said guernys etc.
Hope it isn't true and taking it with a pinch of salt for now
Well, even the experts seem to struggle understanding the goals of this attack. Mind, not all of Hamas leadership may have been aware.
Also this journalist though: https://twitter.com/margothaddad
What are you talking about?
It's funny listening to a twitter space of people just trying to disseminate/verify events and all the constant reports coming out. Absolute carnage.
It's a forum. It's got mods who police what is posted. I don't think they need you to do it. I posted my opinion of the false equivalency I saw, especially in the last few pages. Thanks anyway.
Of course they are. But there's no evidence of anything, other than soldiers saying it, and I hope there won't be. I just know that governments can tell lies and that they can be all over social media before the truth is revealed.
For the record, I hope there are no dead Israeli babies.
If that headchopping rumours are true and they did it to infants, that's surely it for Hamas?
EU Foreign Affairs Chief, for what it's worth (probably very little).
They're a resource constrained terror group, I don't think they have analysts who have 20 side dies and war game capabilities
A) What on earth are the PL expected to say here
B) Why on earth are the PL expected to say something here
C) Who cares what the governing body of one football competition has to say? The club officials are free to release statements if they so desire
Think its already at that point if those reports are true or not. Israel will do what every other country on earth and through history would do.
Yeah, I agree with that.
Read the last few pages. Posters saying that Palestinians won't die of thirst because the sea is there. A poster from Israel basically blaming the entire Israel-Palestine situation on the Palestinians. There's other things. It's not been very nice.
Yeah. That's exactly what she said.
Edit: Translation
That's it, the information is out. It's so gruesome that no one would give it out before 100% confirming it.
Two years old infants have been decapited by the Hamas in Kfar Aza's kibbutz. It's horrific, a massacre. For those who're asking about the source. There's multiple ones: IDF, Israeli domestic intelligence and horrific images that were passed on to me and that I could verify. However the best source comes from brave foreign journalists who could see / accepted to see with their own eyes the dead bodies in Kfar Aza.
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Yeah I've been checking her bio etc too.
Soldiers have been saying along lines of "these guys are evil, killed children, beheaded women" but the 40 babies bit seems to be a leap with just that one source from i24. And even she said initially what the soldiers said eventually leading to the 40 babies bit.
Praying it's bullshit tbh
@africanspur Quite honestly, with these latest developments I feel my views hardening.
It varies by Nationality and service. In the British forces, you can do most roles and hold almost any security clearance as a dual national. (some submarine roles are restricted). You can also do conscription in the IDF then join the RN for example. Dual National Israelis have been known to be approached by Israel whilst in service though, and lose security clearance for it. Israel also allow (and welcome) dual nationals with experience from other services.
If for example, you went to Ukraine to fight as a Ukrainian, you'd still be represented by the British foreign office if captured. The enemy would/should treat all POW's the same. If you're caught by dissidents, they don't have rules. They can torture rape or murder you no matter your nationality. There's an offer from the Georgian Legion to help Israel now; they will know if Hamas capture them, they won't be entitled to help from anyone as they aren't Israeli and Hamas are not a government. But they should still get representation from their government.
It varies by Nationality and service. In the British forces, you can do most roles and hold almost any security clearance as a dual national. (some submarine roles are restricted). You can also do conscription in the IDF then join the RN for example. Dual National Israelis have been known to be approached by Israel whilst in service though, and lose security clearance for it. Israel also allow (and welcome) dual nationals with experience from other services.
If for example, you went to Ukraine to fight as a Ukrainian, you'd still be represented by the British foreign office if captured. The enemy would/should treat all POW's the same. If you're caught by dissidents, they don't have rules. They can torture rape or murder you no matter your nationality. There's an offer from the Georgian Legion to help Israel now; they will know if Hamas capture them, they won't be entitled to help from anyone as they aren't Israeli and Hamas are not a government. But they should still get representation from their government.
This isn't a fecking concert people
Revenge, plain and simple. No political or strategic aim, just attack, kill and put them in the terror Palestinians have felt for decades.