Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber
Thus says Kemo
Every period clique Netanyahu is in power the conflict between the sides escalates and gets worse that it is no longer coincidence. JPRouve is spot on with his sentiments
Sounds like you are equating the two. I suppose your post is good evidence for what I said, that no matter what, some people will never change their perspectives about this.
Aside from that nonsense, if you read the whole thread, that poster also gives a fair assessment of the situation in the region and why Palestinians feel aggrieved. (S)He's fearing for (her)his people and country and there's nothing wrong with that. All of the posters really engaging in this thread are bit biased, which will inevitably lead to over the top statements or attempts to minimize the horrible shit that's been done or will be done by both sides. You can't change human nature.Read the last few pages. Posters saying that Palestinians won't die of thirst because the sea is there. A poster from Israel basically blaming the entire Israel-Palestine situation on the Palestinians. There's other things. It's not been very nice.
Good post.It's a vicious cycle. Deep down I'm convinced that the atrocities that both side commit or allow are meant to maintain the political leaders in place, Hamas need the conflict to justify its existence and the israeli far right needs Hamas and terrorism in general to justify the current mainstream nature of their views and to stay in power. Everyone else is caught in the middle of that nonsense.
It's an observation of the consequences of Hamas' terror, nothing more. Or does anyone think Gaza would look like in this video today without Hamas' barbarism?
AgreedIt's a vicious cycle. Deep down I'm convinced that the atrocities that both side commit or allow are meant to maintain the political leaders in place, Hamas need the conflict to justify its existence and the israeli far right needs Hamas and terrorism in general to justify the current mainstream nature of their views and to stay in power. Everyone else is caught in the middle of that nonsense.
I was mainly talking to the fact that Israel’s policies are creating a constant cycle of radicalization among those forced to live in Gaza.That's fair, but look how it went. He has failed his own country.
He may allow them to grow to a certain point for his own reasons, but there is no way he is going to allow an airport being built or important resources finding their way in. He doesn't want them to grow to the point where they are a genuine threat to Israel's existence.
Israel literally pays its citizens to push out hordes and hordes of misinformation and propaganda.I reckon we are a day or two out from people saying this is either an inside job by Israel or a false flag event given some of the wild shit flying around twitter.
LA Times has retracted the rape claim as it’s been unsubstantiated.
@Raoul @calodo2003 - I know this wasn’t one of the sources you provided but I imagine given the wording and phrases used, they all came from that Tablet article which would suggest it’s been made up / misinformation.
@Iker Quesadillas @hasanejaz88 fyi as well.
LA Times has retracted the rape claim as it’s been unsubstantiated.
@Raoul @calodo2003 - I know this wasn’t one of the sources you provided but I imagine given the wording and phrases used they all came from that Tablet article which would suggest it’s been made up / misinformation.
@Iker Quesadillas @hasanejaz88 fyi as well.
I know and am aware, but I highly, highly doubt they'd deliberately allow this to happen or facilitate it to happen for a nefarious conspiracy/reason/justificationIsrael literally pays its citizens to push out hordes and hordes of misinformation and propaganda.
https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/t...el-uses-hasbara-to-whitewash-its-crimes-46775
Let's see if other outlets/mainstream do the same.
wowI don't think Israel would be justified to hit civilian buildings just for the sake of killing civilians. But I suspect with Hamas the lines between civilian buildings and non-civilian buildings will get blurred. So I don't think a bomb hitting a civilian building is necessarily the same as civilians being massacred down point blank.
I’m not debating whether it changes policy. You were convinced that they happened yesterday, and I’ve provided evidence that a sizeable news organisation has retracted any reference to it as it’s unsubstantiated. Do you know accept the possibility that the rape claims were unsubstantiated and possibly fabricated?The rape and decapitating babies allegations will no doubt be looked at in the coming days once survivors begin telling their stories of what they saw and experienced. In either case, they won't change Israeli policy of a ground war into Gaza to get rid of Hamas. That would've happened anyway as a result of the 1k plus deaths.
I imagine it'll be silence.Question for those in the 'what choice does Israel have?' camp.
Hypothetically if the Palestinian resistance becomes a completely pacifist and peaceful one overnight, what do you anticipate would happen? Would the Israelis stop building illegal settlements, chipping away at Palestinian territories until there's nothing left for them to cobble together for a country to call their own? And if they don't, who's going to stop them? Are the international community going to mobilise to place sanctions and force their hand?
For me thats always been the frustrating constant. These events are horrible, and I despair to imagine the suffering that's happened in the last few days. But why do we only seem to ask hard questions at times where the fair share of suffering is endured by one side?
I’m not debating whether it changes policy. You were convinced that they happened yesterday, and I’ve provided evidence that a sizeable news organisation has retracted any reference to it as it’s unsubstantiated. Do you know accept the possibility that the rape claims were unsubstantiated and possibly fabricated?
I said earlier in the thread, the difference is purely application and technology
Not in support of what Israel have been doing recently or their expansion of territory over the decades.
But what did Hammas think this attack was was going to achive? They have given Netanyahu the excuse to go all-out attack on Gaza. I think there will be lucky if there is anything left in 3 weeks time.
Question for those in the 'what choice does Israel have?' camp.
Hypothetically if the Palestinian resistance becomes a completely pacifist and peaceful one overnight, what do you anticipate would happen? Would the Israelis stop building illegal settlements, chipping away at Palestinian territories until there's nothing left for them to cobble together for a country to call their own? And if they don't, who's going to stop them? Are the international community going to mobilise to place sanctions and force their hand?
For me thats always been the frustrating constant. These events are horrible, and I despair to imagine the suffering that's happened in the last few days. But why do we only seem to ask hard questions at times where the fair share of suffering is endured by one side?
Rorschach for me.Man if I could be a superhero, it would be him. OP.
Precisely. So what do people suggest the Palestinians do? Give up and concede to a life of statelessness, living out their days in refugee camps? Disappear off the face of the earth to make everyone's life easier?I imagine it'll be silence.
Praying it's lies.I posted quite a while ago that there was no evidence of it.
The baby thing, I just don't know. It could well have been kept under wraps. Hope to hell its bullshit
Exactly that. Just shut up and get in the sea.Precisely. So what do people suggest the Palestinians do? Give up and concede to a life of statelessness, living out their days in refugee camps? Disappear off the face of the earth to make everyone's life easier?
Question for those in the 'what choice does Israel have?' camp.
Hypothetically if the Palestinian resistance becomes a completely pacifist and peaceful one overnight, what do you anticipate would happen? Would the Israelis stop building illegal settlements, chipping away at Palestinian territories until there's nothing left for them to cobble together for a country to call their own? And if they don't, who's going to stop them? Are the international community going to mobilise to place sanctions and force their hand?
For me thats always been the frustrating constant. These events are horrible, and I despair to imagine the suffering that's happened in the last few days. But why do we only seem to ask hard questions at times where the fair share of suffering is endured by one side?
My conspiracy theory is that the US spend so much more on defence, not to run the world but because they discovered aliens and are terrified they're coming back.It's moments in history like this and with things going on in Ukraine - that an invasion of extraterrestrial beings coming for us to unite the people of earth against a common enemy might be good. Compared to other places on the interweb right now this is relatively civil, but just the bickering and division this sows beyond the borders of Israel is sad to see.
But they aren't defenceless. They're a military superpower with nuclear weapons, supported unequivocally by the world's sole superpower. They're not going anywhere. In truth there's only one group of people who's future statehood aspirations and existence as a people at dire risk, and its been happening gradually for decades without the slightest whimper of despair from in the international community.Palestine will be erased from the map in a matter of decades and no one will actually care.
Edit: And if Israel were defenceless, I suspect that the reverse would be true.
Question for those in the 'what choice does Israel have?' camp.
Hypothetically if the Palestinian resistance becomes a completely pacifist and peaceful one overnight, what do you anticipate would happen? Would the Israelis stop building illegal settlements, chipping away at Palestinian territories until there's nothing left for them to cobble together for a country to call their own? And if they don't, who's going to stop them? Are the international community going to mobilise to place sanctions and force their hand?
For me thats always been the frustrating constant. These events are horrible, and I despair to imagine the suffering that's happened in the last few days. But why do we only seem to ask hard questions at times where the fair share of suffering is endured by one side?
*X-Files theme starts playing*My conspiracy theory is that the US spend so much more on defence, not to run the world but because they discovered aliens and are terrified they're coming back.
Precisely. So what do people suggest the Palestinians do? Give up and concede to a life of statelessness, living out their days in refugee camps? Disappear off the face of the earth to make everyone's life easier?