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In this analogy are you salivating at the idea of carpet bombing Belfast, whilst putting blockades on energy and food into the area, or do we only get to tell the other side what they'd be thinking and doing?
Damn...
It's quite a common flashpoint between the religious/right and the moderate/seculars in Israel, so it's no problem if you're outraged! I'm not very popular in general here right now.
It is a war crime. And it has been for a while. But given Israel is the ally the west needs in that region, everything will be overlooked; just a retaliation against "unprovoked terrorism".
I had the same thought process as a lot of the people seem to have i.e. Israel is just retaliating against terrorist states to protect themselves. However after seeing Abby Martin's Gaza Fights for Freedon (about the Peaceful march of return where IDF snipers targetted with authorization two year olds, kids, pregnant women, medics, journalists amongst other in the march), I had to read up a lot in this matter which sorta made me realize what was actually going on there.
Please be careful with what you post. Specially without sources to back it up. Tensions are already high enough.
No, that side of it is true too. I'm just saying it's a lazy analogy, I guess on both sides of it. I think the 'underdogs together' thing is naive but I'm not Irish or Palestinian so it's easy to say.
He already posted a source
You should read about the march of return or just watch Abby Martin's Gaza fights for freedom. That is exactly what they did and nothing changed.
What reports?
Wow, official Israel account replying to Iran.
Well if this is indeed true and with oficial confirmation, I'm afraid it's going to be hell on earth for Gaza. Even worse than what already is. No chance of any compromise whatsoever, now or in the future.
Not a fan of redcafe-style keyboard warrior threats being scaled up to national leader levels. fecking calm down, all of you.
In a country where https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20181218-texas-teacher-fired-for-refusing-to-sign-anti-bds-oath/ this is a thing in ~37 states, thats not going to change.
The US government is obviously very pro-Israel, and that extends to both political parties. Its probably one of the last remaining issues where Republicans and Democrats largely agree.
All this for...disrupting Israeli's normalizing relationships with Saudis and others?
Jeez, wonder how Israeli society is responding to this.
'Underdogs', Jesus Christ
You know what I mean!'Underdogs', Jesus Christ
These reports have not been verified by any media outlet as of yet.
This is something that was told to one outlet by some IDF soldiers and others ran with it.
I sincerely hope it isn't true. If true it's totally barbaric and those doing it are cnuts. If not then the IDF are cnuts.
It's not unlikely at all. They are ISIS/cartel levels of evil. There is no limit to what they are able to do. Genuine scum.
Currently this is just IDF saying it and they are scum of the greatest degree. So who to believe?
Amongst all that and all the handwringing and the kids trying to justify any of it, I'd love to know what Hamas think this will get them. It's almost certain Gaza will be flattened and Hamas in Gaza will cease to exist. Or is it just the leadership safe in Qatar are happy to sacrifice a few hundred thousand people to get in Iran's good books.
Has there been much backlash against Tlaib and co yet?
As far as I know, not even ISIS beheaded babies. I've never imagined we can see terror worse than from ISIS. It's even fecking up my mind, although I've seen most gruesome Ukrainian war footage. I need a pause from this and I sincerely hope the IDF lied in this case.
Think the latter.
What the feck?
I can't believe that Trump hasn't said he'll sort it out the day he gets re-elected
There are several angles to this.
- In recent weeks, Iran's three biggest enemies (US, Saudi, and Israel) have been working on a long term peace deal between the Saudis and Israelis. Given the reports that last weekend's terror operation was allegedly planned for two years, its timing seems more coincidental than anything, but the long term ramifications obviously work out in favor of the Iranians (who fund and train Hamas).
- The Hamas leadership are probably somewhat surprised at how well things went and that they were able to easily overwhelm, murder, and kidnap at will in the initial hours. That said, I think the Hamas goal would've been to take as many hostages as possible and use them as bargaining chips to negotiate the release of Palestinian hostages, gain political concessions from the Israelis, reorient global attention back to the middle east (and away from Ukraine), and as a bonus, kill any Israeli momentum towards bilateral peace deals with other Arab countries.
- Things however seem to have gone wrong for Hamas leadership in that they did not factor in the likelihood that the attack would galvanize Israel to actually invade Gaza to disarm and entirely remove Hamas, and subsequently reoccupy Gaza to prevent any further militant activity from ever being able to harm them.
This is why it feels like a ground war followed by a lengthy counterinsurgency campaign is inevitable, which given the amount of people in such a small area, would likely go on for weeks and months. Heavy civilian casualties will ensue.
My guess of what the main actors thought:
Hamas leaders were seeing in real time the end of hope for a Palestinian nation, and a Palestinian state. So decided to go out with a bang, knowing well the response of Israel. Maybe having some slight hope that this escalates beyond Israel-Palestine conflict, which will break the status quo. On other words, trying to end purgatory while knowing that the most likely scenario to follow it will be hell.
Hamas soldiers who did the acts: revenge driven radicalised terrorists who do not value their lives, let alone the victims lives. Essentially, ISIS-like beasts.
Iran: hoping for a massive response by Israel, that would be such chilling that will make impossible the normalization between Saudi Arabia and Israel, and a degradation on relations between Israel and some of the Arab countries which either have good relations with Israel (Jordan, Egypt) or in process of normalization (UAE).
Netanyahu (by essentially empowering Hamas during these years and continuously escalating): the excuse to get once and for all the Gaza strip, and remove 2.5 million Palestinians from their land.
Russia (supporting Iran in preparing this): Opening a new conflict that takes the focus away from Ukraine. They have been trying this in other places too, but in a smaller scale.
Yea, she can go feck herself. That's simply a 'you had it coming, but I have no not sound like a barbarian, now give me what i want.' post.
See here:
The actions of Hamas, a terrorist organisation is barbaric and is condemnable. However, two wrongs cannot make a right and the current bombing of Gaza will put innocent lives at risk. The only way forward is to de-escalate the conflict and begin genuine discussions about the solution for palestine. I know it is a bitter pill to swallow but someone must break the circle of violence.
No, Israel and Hamas are similar. Hamas are terrorists, they are like ISIS, Taliban, Iran. Even without Israel Hamas would be terrible for their own people, like the Taliban are for Afghanistan.
She hasn't been tweeting much. Omar has, but has been careful not to say anything too controversial.
The solution for Palestine? The solution is literally to surrender or be nuked to oblivion. I don't think they can even surrender at this point.
Hamas are not looking for a solution. They want to destroy every single Jew on this planet. They aren't looking to just liberate Palestine.
It's not like the IDF have ever lied before as well.