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his garbage administration and old fart boss handed Mullahs 6 BILLION dollars for 5 hostages.

Insane stupidity. Every time the Islamic regime is in trouble, Biden (and before him Obama) bails them out by financially rescuing them and handing them bags of cash.

Not one cent of those 6 billion $ goes to Iranian people, all in pockets of IRGC, Hezbollah, and Hamas and their other terrorist proxies
 

Marca, the Spanish football rag (?!?) reporting on "Alerta News 24", a random twitter account.


The source here is Tablet, which is an American magazine that mostly publishes opinion columns. The person who wrote about the eyewitness accounts appears to be a resident of New York city.
 
It's now dead ? So this is the straw that broke the camels back ? only now it's dead ?

Ignorance at it's finest.

It's surely dead now and it's pretty obvious this terrorist attack will make things for the people in Gaza even worse.
 
his garbage administration and old fart boss handed Mullahs 6 BILLION dollars for 5 hostages.

Insane stupidity. Every time the Islamic regime is in trouble, Biden (and before him Obama) bails them out by financially rescuing them and handing them bags of cash.

Not one cent of those 6 billion $ goes to Iranian people, all in pockets of IRGC, Hezbollah, and Hamas and their other terrorist proxies
And out of curiosity, where does the money given to Israel go ?
 
There was a Hamas supporting rally in Toronto an hour ago and they were screaming and swearing in front of a popular Israeli cafe, “Cafe Landwer”.

surreal scenes as I was walking by. Felt like being back in those “mandatory to attend pro-regime rallies” back in Iran two decades ago. PTSD flashbacks… you gotta have experienced living under these fanatics to get it!

Every person with a Palestine flag next to their name on X/Twitter last year cheered on Mullahs as they massacred our women, teenagers and kids on the streets justifying all sorts of heinous crimes …no wonder they are despised by majority of Iranian populace.
 
Bibi had booked the conference room and everything.

Are we in Kindergarten now? It's more that people like that Palestinian representer come out after this attack and ask for peaceful solutions? Surely anyone realises that this will not happen now? This attack will make things a thousand times worse.
 
If there is actual journalistic relevance to it, why isn't this question posed to Israeli politicians being interviewed, regarding civilian casualties in occupied territories?
It's a relevant question, in fact, it's a softball question. It's basically teed up for someone to condemn what just happened & to ascribe morality to themselves. It puts a demarcation line between the Hamas terrorists & that governmental official. It's a fecking lay up, who wouldn't want to disassociate from the barbarity that went on a couple of days ago? Why is it so hard to denounce?
 
his garbage administration and old fart boss handed Mullahs 6 BILLION dollars for 5 hostages.

Insane stupidity. Every time the Islamic regime is in trouble, Biden (and before him Obama) bails them out by financially rescuing them and handing them bags of cash.

Not one cent of those 6 billion $ goes to Iranian people, all in pockets of IRGC, Hezbollah, and Hamas and their other terrorist proxies
That's not correct.
 
Ok, how about the other two ? The Atlantic - American rag and the other.

Both of them are using Tablet as a source. That is an "online magazine focused on Jewish news and culture." This is not a publication that has people on the ground, afaik. The person who wrote the eyewitness report is a resident from New York city.
 
There was a Hamas supporting rally in Toronto an hour ago and they were screaming and swearing in front of a popular Israeli cafe, “Cafe Landwer”.

Had some in Vienna too. Worst thing is our current legal provisions allow it.
 
The other seems to use Tablet as a source. That is an "online magazine focused on Jewish news and culture." This is not a publication that has people on the ground, afaik. The person who wrote the eyewitness report is a resident from New York city.

I'm sure the surviving attendees will be giving interviews in the coming days and weeks once they're more comfortable talking. Rape is not an unusual tactic among terror groups. ISIS used it as well (Baghdadi himself raping an American female hostage Kayle Mueller).
 
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no idea.

As an Iranian I know , all money given to the regime goes to terrorist proxies or IRGC suppression machine for domestic purposes.
Brother, I so enjoy reading your posts, but you are incorrect here. The $ is in a Qatari bank, the account is overseen by US Treasury officials; purchases can only be made for humanitarian reasons through pre-approved vendors & Treasury has the ability to nix any of them.
 
Are we in Kindergarten now? It's more that people like that Palestinian representer come out after this attack and ask for peaceful solutions? Surely anyone realises that this will not happen now? This attack will make things a thousand times worse.
This is how you are ignorant. The same Palestinian Representer you speak of is part of the Palestinian Authority based in Palestinian West Bank who has continously tried with peaceful talks to a 2 state solution. They recognise Israel, unfortunately it's Israel that doesn't recognise them and continue to burn down their homes, kidnap and torture their people and annex their land for the last 10-15 years. The PA is part of the West Bank and have nothing to do with Hamas that are on the other side of Israel in Gaza. Just 2 weeks ago the Israeli prime minister showed a picture of the 'New Middle East' which shows the map of the middle East with Gaza and West Bank as Israel with no Palestinian land left. What Hamas did was wrong but blaming them for the breakdown in 'peace talks' is ridiculous and since Hamas has nothing to do with the West Bank and the PA, he has every right to find a common ground between his people of the West Bank and Israel.

Before you comment you should at least know the geography of the area and a historical background of the players involved and not claim to be an expert after watching a 10 minute BBC news report.
 
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I'm not saying it's impossible or even unlikely. But this is a good demonstration of how in these situations things are so often "so and so said so and so said such and such".
 
This. Whataboutism is getting out of hand on both sides of the argument. We had some crazed idiots partying the terror attack from Hamas. Imagine that. Anyone calling the killing of innocent festival attenders an act of resistance needs his head checked too.

I wish I could say I was surprised by the depths people will go to justify their sides actions as if it was nothing more than a form of entertainment.
 
Barbarism - extreme cruelty or brutality

I could join you in being sad about the soft support of Hamas barbarism from liberal leaning backgrounds. Cheering and parties and stuff, absolutely disturbing.

I think what happened is that I just became numbed by the hard decades long support of Israeli barbarism in Gaza and the West Bank, from Western governments and politicians and militaries.

And that's just 1 side of the coin you've mentioned.

On the other side is the willful ignorance to Israel's atrocities.

I don't think it's a fair coin we have here.
I think that's also one of the saddest outcomes of this, that both sides can be so entrenched in their views. You're now numb to what Hamas has done and on the other side people will be numb to Israel levelling Gaza, indiscriminately, in the coming days.
 
This is how you are ignorant. The same Palestinian Representer you speak of is part of the Palestinian Authority based in Palestinian West Bank who has continously tried with peaceful talks to a 2 state solution. They recognise Israel, unfortunately it's Israel that doesn't recognise them and continue to burn down their homes, kidnap and torture their people and annex their land for the last 10-15 years. The PA is part of the West Bank and have nothing to do with Hamas that are on the other side of Israel in Gaza. Just 2 weeks ago the Israeli prime minister showed a picture of the 'New Middle East' which shows the map of the middle East with Gaza and West Bank as Israel with no Palestinian land left. What Hamas did was wrong but blaming them for the breakdown in 'peace talks' is ridiculous.
Israelis ought to get rid of Netanyahu. That guy is a loon. I remember him saying that a Palestinian convinced Hitler to kill Jews. He is unhinged.
 
Brother, I so enjoy reading your posts, but you are incorrect here. The $ is in a Qatari bank, the account is overseen by US Treasury officials; purchases can only be made for humanitarian reasons through pre-approved vendors & Treasury has the ability to nix any of them.

I think you are being over optimistic and naive my friend.


Qatar itself is their staunch ally and a big Muslim brotherhood supporter. Remember how Qataris would banish and ban Iranian fans with “Women Life Freedom” shirts or Lion & Sun flags entering stadium at the World Cup at the height of the Iran protests last year.

I trust the Saudis a million times more than Qataris
 
I think that's also one of the saddest outcomes of this, that both sides can be so entrenched in their views. You're now numb to what Hamas has done and on the other side people will be numb to Israel levelling Gaza, indiscriminately, in the coming days.
But an odd sort of numb in which they'll be gleefully providing the weaponry and ammunition that'll do it.
 
I think you are being over optimistic and naive my friend.


Qatar itself is their staunch ally and a big Muslim brotherhood supporter. Remember how Qataris would banish and ban Iranian fans with “Women Life Freedom” shirts or Lion & Sun flags entering stadium at the World Cup at the height of the Iran protests last year.

I trust the Saudis a million times more than Qataris
So far we have seen no reporting that those 6 billion funds have been used for terrorist purposes.
 
This is how you are ignorant. The same Palestinian Representer you speak of is part of the Palestinian Authority based in Palestinian West Bank who has continously tried with peaceful talks to a 2 state solution. They recognise Israel, unfortunately it's Israel that doesn't recognise them and continue to burn down their homes, kidnap and torture their people and annex their land for the last 10-15 years. The PA is part of the West Bank and have nothing to do with Hamas that are on the other side of Israel in Gaza. Just 2 weeks ago the Israeli prime minister showed a picture of the 'New Middle East' which shows the map of the middle East with Gaza and West Bank as Israel with no Palestinian land left. What Hamas did was wrong but blaming them for the breakdown in 'peace talks' is ridiculous.

Nobody is blaming them for breaking up peace talks. I'm not. I do realise the atrocious way Israel has handled the situation for years now.

All I was saying is that even for the future and under different regimes in Israel there's probably for a very long time now no way that peace will be an alternative (West Jordan or Gaza), which is why asking for it now (even if he's asked for it for a very long time) cannot be taken seriously in my opinion.

Also what I was saying is that the suffering from the poor people in Gaza will be even worse after that attack. And yes I do blame Hamas for that.

Not sure how this is even controversial.
 
I think you are being over optimistic and naive my friend.


Qatar itself is their staunch ally and a big Muslim brotherhood supporter. Remember how Qataris would banish and ban Iranian fans with “Women Life Freedom” shirts or Lion & Sun flags entering stadium at the World Cup at the height of the Iran protests last year.

I trust the Saudis a million times more than Qataris
Could possibly be, but it seems that safeguards are indeed in place to negate IRGC et al from running willy nilly with the cash...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/09/18/politics/iran-money-explainer/index.html

Now the 'fungibility' argument has been making its rounds à la 'well, Iran can just take the 6 billion it had earmarked for humanitarian relief spending & use it for nefarious acts since that 6 billion will be reimbursed from the hostage deal.' This is quite popular right now with our mensa right wing politicians, especially those running in 2024. The sheer ignorance in this is breathtaking.
 
It's a relevant question, in fact, it's a softball question. It's basically teed up for someone to condemn what just happened & to ascribe morality to themselves. It puts a demarcation line between the Hamas terrorists & that governmental official. It's a fecking lay up, who wouldn't want to disassociate from the barbarity that went on a couple of days ago? Why is it so hard to denounce?

Because it is an insulting question in this context.

First of all why as a journalist, would you assume that a Palestinian representative is affiliated with Hamas? If there is any confusion, the question, "Are you a Hamas member" would suffice.

He isn't there to condemn a definition of violence that does not include the people he represents, against whom the vast majority of violence in the region has been committed and gone unmentioned.

What is so special about the barbarity that went on a few days ago? Are you not aware of the barbarity going on today, right now, in Gaza? Or 3 days ago in the West Bank? Or every day?

This is literally the Associated Press journalists asking MLK to denounce violence of riots in Watts in 1965, ignoring the fact that society had condoned and blessed 346 years of state sanctioned violence in the form of slavery, lynchings, Old Jim Crow and de facto segregation. It's like, "oh, now we're denouncing violence? Today?"

The world (including the BBC) has blessed (through commission or omission) acts of barbarity in the region for over 50 years. Keep the same energy. Don't choose his interview as the time to grow some morals and ask, "won't you condemn the violence??" Especially when we know good and damned well that those morals will be dropped the following day.
 
As @Iker Quesadillas has rightly pointed out - one of them is a football tabloid referencing a dodgy Twitter account.

The other two links both use the same language and both reference the Tablet - a Jewish lifestyle publication. There’s no named sources in the Tablet despite mentioning several accounts, and they’re quite vague on the details. Secondly the reporter isn’t even there.

It may have happened - and if it did, that will transpire in the coming days, but I don’t think your ‘credible’ sources hold up to scrutiny right now, personally.
 
Gaza would be flattened and good chunk of 2 million would either be wiped out or brutally injured and no one to stop it. Everything would be forgotten as if it never happened. I fecking despise this.
 
Wow, it's not like the west to turn a blind eye to the extermination of an ethnic minority is it?

What Hamas did is unjustifiable, they massacred innocent people.. it was a horrible, evil thing to do, regardless of their motivation.

However responding by doing the exact same thing on a much larger scale, and from a position of much more power is also disgusting.

Israel has a choice in terms of their response, and, right now it seems that response is directed at the Palestinians rather than Hamas...

From the Wests point of view, that might be 2m people who need to be sacrificed to put this, decades long issue to bed.

It's depressing as feck.

My heart goes out to the innocent Israelis who lost loved ones in Hamas' disgusting attack and to the innocent Palestinians sat in Gaza awaiting their inevitable fate.

It's a race to the bottom of humanity, from both sides.
 
There’s also Israelis in this thread parroting the same delusional nonsense.

Another common theme some on both sides share is the use of conspiracy theories.

When it's the highest profile figures making such claims it's little wonder they are allowed to spread.
 
As @Iker Quesadillas has rightly pointed out - one of them is a football tabloid referencing a dodgy Twitter account.

The other two links both use the same language and both reference the Tablet - a Jewish lifestyle publication. There’s no named sources in the Tablet despite mentioning several accounts, and they’re quite vague on the details. Secondly the reporter isn’t even there.

It may have happened - and if it did, that will transpire in the coming days, but I don’t think your ‘credible’ sources hold up to scrutiny right now, personally.

I'm sure more information will become available once the survivors begin to recount what happened.
 
Because it is an insulting question in this context.

First of all why as a journalist, would you assume that a Palestinian representative is affiliated with Hamas? If there is any confusion, the question, "Are you a Hamas member" would suffice.

He isn't there to condemn a definition of violence that does not include the people he represents, against whom the vast majority of violence in the region has been committed and gone unmentioned.

What is so special about the barbarity that went on a few days ago? Are you not aware of the barbarity going on today, right now, in Gaza? Or 3 days ago in the West Bank? Or every day?

This is literally the Associated Press journalists asking MLK to denounce violence of riots in Watts in 1965, ignoring the fact that society had condoned and blessed 346 years of state sanctioned violence in the form of slavery, lynchings, Old Jim Crow and de facto segregation. It's like, "oh, now we're denouncing violence? Today?"

The world (including the BBC) has blessed (through commission or omission) acts of barbarity in the region for over 50 years. Keep the same energy. Don't choose his interview as the time to grow some morals and ask, "won't you condemn the violence??" Especially when we know good and damned well that those morals will be dropped the following day.
Well said.

It’s the same low quality journalism where after a terror attack, they find a token Muslim to come on and apologise for it, as if he had some influence on it.

DJ Khaled is Palestinian - shall we get him to come on an interview and speak on behalf of Hamas?