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Pogue Mahone said:
Ah. Ok. I’m sure it’s just something typed without much thought by one person. It’s obviously no reflection of an official bbc stance, or it would be on every feed. So doesn’t make sense to assume any malice or systemic bias.
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Yeah, there's no bias on Israel Palestine from the West.
 
adexkola said:
Example of justification: what Hamas did was right.

No one has said that.
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Not saying you are doing this, but this act and the alt right israeli govt's actions has given oxygen has to some properly shitty people and come very close to justification.

In Brighton for example, we had the Sussex uni's student union women's officer openly announcing they should celebrate this act of resistance - like what the hell?

Then on the other side you've got a member of Israeli govt refering to people as animals and saying he'll employ barbaric tactics.

I'm not sure the they commit war crimes, so we commit war crimes is ever justifiable "context", I seem to keep hearing. It's all thoroughly depressing hearing both entrenched sides positions on this.
 
Not seeing much of the same energy now, guess they perform non barbaric killings in classy and gentlemen manner
 
Lash said:
Not saying you are doing this, but this act and the alt right israeli govt's actions has given oxygen has to some properly shitty people and come very close to justification.

In Brighton for example, we had the Sussex uni's student union women's officer openly announcing they should celebrate this act of resistance - like what the hell?

Then on the other side you've got a member of Israeli govt refering to people as animals and saying he'll employ barbaric tactics.

I'm not sure the they commit war crimes, so we commit war crimes is ever justifiable "context", I seem to keep hearing. It's all thoroughly depressing hearing both entrenched sides positions on this.
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There's nothing worth celebrating about the murder of innocent civilians, which has gone on endlessly in Gaza, the West Bank, and Israel for years. Any celebrations are most likely to be fueled by ignorance.

I think you'll find that even amongst people on the right side, the overwhelming reaction wasn't "feck yes, hooray". It was "holy fecking shit, what is going on and what the feck is next?"
 
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Lash said:
Not saying you are doing this, but this act and the alt right israeli govt's actions has given oxygen has to some properly shitty people and come very close to justification.

In Brighton for example, we had the Sussex uni's student union women's officer openly announcing they should celebrate this act of resistance - like what the hell?

Then on the other side you've got a member of Israeli govt refering to people as animals and saying he'll employ barbaric tactics.

I'm not sure the they commit war crimes, so we commit war crimes is ever justifiable "context", I seem to keep hearing. It's all thoroughly depressing hearing both entrenched sides positions on this.
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This. Whataboutism is getting out of hand on both sides of the argument. We had some crazed idiots partying the terror attack from Hamas. Imagine that. Anyone calling the killing of innocent festival attenders an act of resistance needs his head checked too.
 
Godfather said:
This. Whataboutism is getting out of hand on both sides of the argument. We had some crazed idiots partying the terror attack from Hamas. Imagine that.
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Absolutely mad and disturbing scenes across London in light of it.
adexkola said:
There's nothing worth celebrating about the murder of innocent civilians, which has gone on endlessly in Gaza, the West Bank, and Israel for years. Any celebrations are most likely to be fueled by ignorance.
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I think what saddens me is not so much the blatant ignorance, but it is the soft support of barbarism from liberal leaning backgrounds - like the example I mentioned. You can't seem to criticise the acts, because that's deemed a criticism against the fight for freedom.

On the other side of the coin, there's a willful ignorance to what a democratically elected Israeli govt have done, because that is deemed to criticise Israel's right to exist.
 
R'hllor said:
Not seeing much of the same energy now, guess they perform non barbaric killings in classy and gentlemen manner
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When I meet Israelis, they are white, smart, pleasant and nice. By definition, they do not kill those [Israeli defense minister] subhuman Palestinians [/Israeli defense minister], they just cease to exist.
 
calodo2003 said:
Gave up after two minutes. Did the PA rep ever condemn what Hamas did?
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It's a fecking stupid question with no relevance. And starting the interview with that question is an attempt to narrow the discussion to the events of the last 48 hours. The interviewee rightly refused to be dragged into that box.
 
Lash said:
Absolutely mad and disturbing scenes across London in light of it.

I think what saddens me is not so much the blatant ignorance, but it is the soft support of barbarism from liberal leaning backgrounds - like the example I mentioned. You can't seem to criticise the acts, because that's deemed a criticism against the fight for freedom.

On the other side of the coin, there's a willful ignorance to what a democratically elected Israeli govt have done, because that is deemed to criticise Israel's right to exist.
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Exactly right and the absolute worst about is that any talk about a peaceful solution for the area surely is now dead for a long long time. The suffering and deaths from Civilians will increase to an unimaginable extent, especially in the Gaza region.
 
Godfather said:
Exactly right and the absolute worst about is that any talk about a peaceful solution for the area surely is now dead for a long long time. The suffering and deaths from Civilians will increase to an unimaginable extent, especially in the Gaza region.
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Agreed and not to mention how this is going to drag in several players from outside the country and another proxy war will be fought with these people's lives.

The knock-on effect this will also have with the Russia and Ukraine war, as the US will inevitably get involved in this, is also concering.
 
adexkola said:
It's a fecking stupid question with no relevance. And starting the interview with that question is an attempt to narrow the discussion to the events of the last 48 hours. The interviewee rightly refused to be dragged into that box.
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Of course there's relevance to it.
 
Raoul said:
Reports of Hamas members raping Israeli women next to their dead friends.
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This is the second time I’m hearing of this - do you have any credible sources? I couldn’t find anything on Twitter.
 
Godfather said:
Exactly right and the absolute worst about is that any talk about a peaceful solution for the area surely is now dead for a long long time. The suffering and deaths from Civilians will increase to an unimaginable extent, especially in the Gaza region.
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It's now dead ? So this is the straw that broke the camels back ? only now it's dead ?

Ignorance at it's finest.
 
Lash said:
I think what saddens me is not so much the blatant ignorance, but it is the soft support of barbarism from liberal leaning backgrounds - like the example I mentioned. You can't seem to criticise the acts, because that's deemed a criticism against the fight for freedom.

On the other side of the coin, there's a willful ignorance to what a democratically elected Israeli govt have done, because that is deemed to criticise Israel's right to exist.
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Barbarism - extreme cruelty or brutality

I could join you in being sad about the soft support of Hamas barbarism from liberal leaning backgrounds. Cheering and parties and stuff, absolutely disturbing.

I think what happened is that I just became numbed by the hard decades long support of Israeli barbarism in Gaza and the West Bank, from Western governments and politicians and militaries.

And that's just 1 side of the coin you've mentioned.

On the other side is the willful ignorance to Israel's atrocities.

I don't think it's a fair coin we have here.
 
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