It's much harder. You have to prove a sociological claim like that. Your opinion isn't good enough. Come back with some research or don't bother.
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Yes, pretending that no Palestinian children died or those who did were somehow hoaxes. Holocaust denial 101. People question the number then all of a sudden they start questioning the entire process. All of this would have been flagged as racism in a different thread.
You're trivialising antisemitism and you know it.
You have no idea what you're talking about and you don't know it. Prove your assertion or don't make assertions you can't prove.
So much heated debate on Israel and Palestine, yet not a single thread on the humanitarian crisis in Yemen following a proxy civil war where millions are suffering and thousands upon thousands have died. Why is that?
Neither do you.
No, it's pointless because it isn't true.
He isn't. He's asking something simple. You claim that anti semitism was ramped up as the world rightfully condemned Israel. One has nothing to do with the other. Universal condemnation of Israel and Zionism is in no way, shape, or form anti-zionism.
Your entire contribution has been to pretend you know something is a fact when it isn't and then ask about a different conflict which is linked to this one only by two themes. Firstly, it is in the middle east. Secondly, it is supported militarily and financially by the US and latterly by Israel.
Your whataboutism is nonsensical.
He is. @Fearless has been a mess throughout all this but I agree with him on this one: it's pointless and will just be deemed as propaganda. I'm out.
Ofcourse not. If you have reasonable evidence to back up your claim, it will be examined. If, on the other hand, you throw out something you can't back and respond with "im out" when asked to prove your assertion, there's no real need to even have a discussion.
Calm your tits out mate, accusing people of holocaust denial is a very serious accusation, don't lump with that filth.
And for the 5th Time, I told you I'm on Palestinian side on this issue. And let me repeat "I believe that there are atrocities happening, that there are children that becomes casualty"
Of course it has but it's a very easy way to deflect what what is happening in Israel/Palestine. A reminder that Muslims are treated awfully for the behaviour of certain groups around the world that have nothing to do with them as individuals, people are awfully quiet about that.
Questioning it doesn't equate to anti-semitism. What a ridiculous response.
He wasn't accusing you of being a holocaust denier. He clumsley drew a parallel between holocaust deniers and those denying the atrocities being perpetrated by the Zionist regime.
You've clarified that you don't deny they're happening as this shouldn't apply to you.
I'm trivalising stupid people's contributions. There's a difference. Palestinians are technically semitic. But if you're speaking solely of ethnically Jewish people, then I've seen no proof of any rise in hatred toward them. The only correlation will be a rise in anti-apartheid sentiment which ties in with Israel (the apartheid state in question) and as Israel insists on terming itself the world's Jewish state, even though it never has been (the world's jewry did not vote for any politican in Israel), then some idiots might link the two but I've still seen scarcely any proof of that. If you have some then please let me know.
It's the exact same order of claim. Your entire point is to suggest that no children died or fewer than reported did. This undermines the actual fact. It's the same level of thought process that goes into Holocaust denial. You should have been banned from posting it.
Not clumsily, but rather accurately. It's the same kind of sick rhetoric. It should be enough for a threadban.
Fair enough. I just think that the holocaust is slightly different in terms of scale but that shouldn't make those currently engaging in the same denials any less contemptible.
I believe he's talking in relation with Indonesian, which I started by tagging him.
We are not talking about whether it's the right or the wrong thing, but it really is. There is no "fair optics" when it comes to Israel / Palestine, one is the murderer, land grabber, the other is the Muslim brother being victimized. We are after all the most populous Muslim country in the world. So when we say anti Semitics sentiment was ramped up it's actually an understatement, they're shouting "behead Israel" as we speak. Off course not the whole country is anti israel, just like not every politician really cares about Palestinian, but it is what it is.
You're not Indonesian, so you don't know what it is here during those protest. Thank goodness this is covid year, if not due to covid we'd probably marched down US embassy and give them a few "cough..." rocks. And when the riots eventually follows, guess who'll be targeted? The Chinese and the businesses surrounding the area of protest.
Now what do I think about it? I think it's not right, the Palestine - Israel is a very complex and complicated issue it's very hard to pick a real winner, everyone has their story and half right half wrong situations. Hamas did after all send the rockets, but Israel too are targeting civilians.
But if every time we wanted to tell you how it is we got slapped with "holocaust denial" or "anti Semitics" or similar insults than we'll just ended up with "I'm off"
So if you can't accept that in some part of the world it is what it is and that they fecking hate Israel and god forbid they'd go there to go jihad and took arms they will, don't shoot the messenger.
Nah. I'm not going to keep on, if you can't accept reason and just wanna throw that label around. Better just ignore me. I will
That's an extremely long-winded way to repeat that there has been anti-Zionism sentiments worldwide as the world rightfully criticises the terrorist actions of the Israeli government.
But what does that have to do with anti Semitism? Criticism of Israel does not equate to anti semitism.
On the last page you reiterate Israeli propaganda that Palestinians were pretending children died.
What other kind of denial does that seem most reminiscent of?
That depends on who's the critics.
It doesn't. At all. The only thing that matters is the target of the criticism, and it's content.
What a bizzare response.
I don't recall seeing Jews pretending to be gassed.
That's the point. I don't recall Palestinian babies pretending to be dead, either. Have you seen the death toll? 231 was the last official report I looked at. Are you refuting that? Imagine posting a video or picture which claimed that Jewish people pretended to be gassed? That would be insane.
Oh, nvm it's Fearless.
I just find the world’s focus on this conflict while ignoring other human tragedies and catastrophes disgusting, and everything wrong with our world. Yemenis deserve a voice, especially from the Middle East and the Muslim world. Yet eyes are focused on Israel and Palestine because it’s 1. Easier to identify the enemy with the blue and white Star of David flag 2. It’s hard to admit that the Middle East is full of autocratic regimes who don’t put on an emphasis on human rights or give a damn about cultural and religious minorities. Kurds anyone?
The irony is real and apparent with all the virtue signallers on here. Israel isn’t right in their approach but it’s hard to take any of the countries blasting them seriously when they have no moral authority to do so, and have blood on their hands as well.
There is a thread on the Yemeni issue. And if you want to discuss it, you may do so in that thread. The question is why you're on here crying about the fact that people are rightfully invested in this issue, as Israel continues to engage in terror attacks.
https://www.adl.org/extremismblog
All the evidence you need. But the ADL is an Israel advocacy group disguising as a civil rights group, am I doing this right? For the second time, I'm out.
To be fair I'm not sure why you're bringing Indonesia into the equation but bolded is spot on nonetheless, for it highlights the dangers of hostile, over the top anti-Israel sentiments in this part of the world. And I'm saying this knowing full well how evil and barbaric the actions of the Israeli government has been as of late.
You're struggling to keep track of your own statements. You claimed that anti semetism was ramped up. You were asked to back up your claim. You responded by sending a link that shows an increase in anti Zionism.
What's this thread title? Also, this moralising of "you're commenting on x, but make no mention of y?? How dare you?!" is such a stupid angle to highlight.
As far as I'm aware, it was only my direct family on this thread that were being rocketed by Hamas.
Why are they rightfully invested in this issue?
No obvious reason for that. Just that Israel is a terrorist state and Hamas is a peace corps - so it's a pretty ugly conflict.
Yes, that's correct. Even though that's true, I'd still entertain their research but they don't even have quantative research to cite? All they have is a qualitative edge (a page detailing a few nutjobs spread out over many millions of people).
The last comprehensive Western led nonpartisan research into this issue demonstrated that anti-semitism had remained stagant (no increase) but perception of a rise in anti-semitism had risen by a factor of 50 (iirc). Will need to source it again.