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Kaos said:
I’m really trying not to Sults. The younger, firebranded version of me wouldn’t have, but this feels like a perpetually doomed loop. We’ll be here again in a few years with scores of civilians again tragically dying, the US again being the enemy of progress, and a genuine roadmap for peace looking more distant than ever.
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I understand this perspective, but I don't know. This time around it felt like there was a significant shift in public opinion. It seemed like Israel's usual talking points were just bouncing off everyone like a forcefield. US Congress was interesting too. Now you have Human Rights Watch with a report asserting apartheid. B'Tselem before that. There was the suppressed UN report a few years back as well. I think Amnesty will follow suit at a time when it will have maximum impact. There's the ICC investigation which is going ahead. If the Palestinians can get their act together and push from the inside a bit more as well it could be like the 1980s was for apartheid South Africa.
 
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Sultan said:
It's unfortunate valid Palestinian causes and grievances have in some cases been taken on by undesirables namely the far-right anti-semites, undesirable youthful yobs shouting racist and anti-Semitic slogans during rallies and demonstrations and on social media. This then leads to accusations of anti-Semitism and the focus shifting away from the real cause. Helping PR of those who have no interest or desire in changing the status quo.

The organisers and supporters of the Palestinian cause really need to make it clear and validate all of those who march alongside you helping in support of the Palestinian cause have no room for anti-Semites. This simply is not a Jewish, Muslim, Christian cause. It is simply to change the situation and the plight of the Palestinians for the better.
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On this topic (read whole thread):

 


Killing Gaza documentary now free on YouTube.
 


Is pointing this out antisemitic? Cos really and truly, this is unacceptable. Just as it is for the tobacco, oil, pharma companies etc who engage in these activities.
 
Giggsyking said:
Wow very awful. I was on the fence before, but after seeing your video, I have to take the Israeli side with all these street donuts those war criminals are doing in NYC. Please everybody help sharing these war crimes.
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I think the sarcasm in Sweet Square's post flew over your head ;)
 
rotherham_red said:


Is pointing this out antisemitic? Cos really and truly, this is unacceptable. Just as it is for the tobacco, oil, pharma companies etc who engage in these activities.
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No it isn't antisemitic. Is anyone even claiming this, really?
 
VorZakone said:
No it isn't antisemitic. Is anyone even claiming this, really?
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Well apparently according to some in this thread highlighting that the Israel lobby has a disproportionate influence is the same as saying "Jews run the world" so I wanted to double check...
 
Super Hans said:
I understand this perspective, but I don't know. This time around it felt like there was a significant shift in public opinion. It seemed like Israel's usual talking points were just bouncing off everyone like a forcefield. US Congress was interesting too. Now you have Human Rights Watch with a report asserting apartheid. B'Tselem before that. There was the suppressed UN report a few years back as well. I think Amnesty will follow suit at a time when it will have maximum impact. There's the ICC investigation which is going ahead. If the Palestinians can get their act together and push from the inside a bit more as well it could be like the 1980s was for apartheid South Africa.
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This may simply be a perceptual illusion given that most people only get their info from the social media feeds who only post content subscribers already agree with. This can lead to people thinking there's been a shift when it may simply be the limited, curated opinions they've been exposed to.
 
Protest day today around the world. A lot of people I know have gone to it in London where there are tens of thousands. With their phones and updating Facebook no doubt. I cannot see a single one of their posts. Not one. Shame on Facebook. Shame on Western Media.

I'm literally having to catch the news, properly, on Al Jazeera. Proper Iran/North Korea type of news suppression.
 


I think this puts to rest what a few posters were claiming earlier ie working on intelligence, Hamas hiding, other such speculative bullshit.
 
Raoul said:
This may simply be a perceptual illusion given that most people only get their info from the social media feeds who only post content subscribers already agree with. This can lead to people thinking there's been a shift when it may simply be the limited, curated opinions they've been exposed to.
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I think there is a lot more to it than that. I do think the shift is huge. But certain views/stances people were always there.

The problem was the reporting on mainstream which as the current situation shows is very one sided. Not everyone bought into it before but unless it was someone high profile you didn't see or hear anything.

now with social media people are able to put forward their views and more importantly argue their stance without being shut down.

Celebrities posting on FB or IG alone will have had more people seeing and looking into it.
 
Dumbstar said:
Protest day today around the world. A lot of people I know have gone to it in London where there are tens of thousands. With their phones and updating Facebook no doubt. I cannot see a single one of their posts. Not one. Shame on Facebook. Shame on Western Media.

I'm literally having to catch the news, properly, on Al Jazeera. Proper Iran/North Korea type of news suppression.
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180,000 turned up in London today. Was great to see. …Then the rain came :lol:
 
Dumbstar said:
Protest day today around the world. A lot of people I know have gone to it in London where there are tens of thousands. With their phones and updating Facebook no doubt. I cannot see a single one of their posts. Not one. Shame on Facebook. Shame on Western Media.

I'm literally having to catch the news, properly, on Al Jazeera. Proper Iran/North Korea type of news suppression.
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There was one locally and again some of these guys have been on social media constantly. But nothing today. And when I say nothing I mean not a single thing. Thought it was strange.

Have FB, IG etc said anything or just shut things out?
 
Good protest in Manchester City Centre this afternoon!

Lots of positive responses from the public too, many saying good on you, thumbs up, we agree with you....only one person said something negative to me, sadly wearing a full united tracksuit
 
The Corinthian said:


I think this puts to rest what a few posters were claiming earlier ie working on intelligence, Hamas hiding, other such speculative bullshit.
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Given his history of fundraising controversies, I wouldn't trust anything that appears on Shaun King's feed unless it could be corroborated by the actual source of the information.
 
Raoul said:
Given his history of fundraising controversies, I wouldn't trust anything that appears on Shaun King's feed unless it could be corroborated by the actual source of the information.
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I’ve been following him for years and haven’t considered him to be anything but truthful. He often goes to great lengths to prove his authenticity, more so than other people in his position, and certainly more so than his opponents.
 
Raoul said:
This may simply be a perceptual illusion given that most people only get their info from the social media feeds who only post content subscribers already agree with. This can lead to people thinking there's been a shift when it may simply be the limited, curated opinions they've been exposed to.
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That is an easy explanation but not grounded in reality, not this time IMO. I saw much more pro-Palestinian rhetoric than usual.

Probably because of demographic trends.
 
VorZakone said:
That is an easy explanation but not grounded in reality, not this time IMO. I saw much more pro-Palestinian rhetoric than usual.

Probably because of demographic trends.
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You could've also seen more because of the entrenchment of social media in the present (compared to the 2014 Gaza war). IG for instance, wasn't much of a factor back then, whereas it definitely is today. Twitter is pretty much in the same category.
 
Raoul said:
You could've also seen more because of the entrenchment of social media in the present (compared to the 2014 Gaza war). IG for instance, wasn't much of a factor back then, whereas it definitely is today. Twitter is pretty much in the same category.
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Of course, though I still believe there's a general shift towards pro-Palestinian rhetoric that's beyond social media.
 
hasanejaz88 said:
But it's anti-semetic to say the Israeli government has a control over the media :)
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Yea, well, saying something like this is using quite an old antisemitic stereotype, so I guess it comes down to fine semantics here.
 
hasanejaz88 said:
But it's anti-semetic to say the Israeli government has a control over the media :)
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It's not anti Semitic but it is just untrue. The reason the BBC aren't running with today protest will be down to a number of factors. One big will be it's still the state broadcaster so it will natural limit it's criticism of the British government especially when it comes to foreign policy(Which yeah I'm sure the Israel lobby play a part but we are still talking about a tory government). There is a lot of interchange between the last couple of tory governments and the BBC so there will a lot conservatives viewpoints in the BBC but it's also massive organisation and there will be ''political fights ''within it as well(The BBC has covered recent pro Palestine protests this week). Plus because the BBC gets it's funding from the state so there is this on going game between the Tories and the BBC over funding(At the end of the day we are talking about political in fights between state bureaucrats)


Sultan said:
The Prospect of a war in Iraq easily beat this rally in 2003. The biggest public rally in British history.
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Oh yeah for sure, I just meant in terms of pro Palestine rallies.
 
Social media is definitely energising people. People previously indifferent or even unaware of issues are willing to join in protests. The traditional news was never without its issues when it came to coverage of the Israel and Palestine conflict. Social media can now divide in an instant with, out of context, edited. and extreme content going viral, together with hardline, cruel or stupid comments getting the most likes.

We see this constantly in India how polarising and powderkeg these social media posts can be in situations.
 
With the advent of social media and mobile phones, every person can now basically be news broadcasters, cameramen, reporters, op-eds. I can't really decide if this a good scenario for the world going forward.
 
Why are there so many Indians supporting Israel in this against The Palestinians now? India was one of the biggest and earliest supporters of the Palestinian cause.
 
Foxbatt said:
Why are there so many Indians supporting Israel in this against The Palestinians now? India was one of the biggest and earliest supporters of the Palestinian cause.
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I think a lot of hindu indians hate Islam.
 
rotherham_red said:
Well apparently according to some in this thread highlighting that the Israel lobby has a disproportionate influence is the same as saying "Jews run the world" so I wanted to double check...
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It would have been a lot better for the whole world if a jew had been elected the potus. Bernie would have been a lot better as potus.
 
Foxbatt said:
Why are there so many Indians supporting Israel in this against The Palestinians now? India was one of the biggest and earliest supporters of the Palestinian cause.
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Been answered earlier. Current population is massively Islamophobic and supports the right wing Hindu based party who pretty much have oppressing Muslims as their biggest vote winning card. The same lot worshipped Trump for going after Muslims with all the bans and stuff. There's pure blood thirst for muslims among majority of these people.
 
Foxbatt said:
Why are there so many Indians supporting Israel in this against The Palestinians now? India was one of the biggest and earliest supporters of the Palestinian cause.
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