100%. These are the voices that need to be ignored in place of the people who ask for coexistence.
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Meanwhile, the journalists didn’t even have time to get their gear out before it was blown up.
I think things went south for him once Bibi started his second stint in office in 2009 and things with Hamas began to ramp up. Before that, there was more hope.
Are you a closet Zionist? Because some of your posts are on the borderline of being an apologist for clear human rights violations. This is not a scenario where you can try to find a balanced opinion it is that black and white. Don’t play dumb as your agenda is clear as day and we all see it.
Then to me the key issue is how to get that voting bloc back in the peace camp. I cannot see a peace settlement without it.
I suppose that is what the BDS movement and One State signatories are trying to do too.
He doesn't have an agenda beyond trying to educate himself on the issues. He isn't a closet anything. He has asked for views on occasion and when people have responded, he has thanked them gracefully.
He’s playing you for a fool. Elvis isn’t some guy who has lived under a rock. He’s a smart kid.
Oh I appreciated your responses to David Hirsh's tweets too. I found them nuanced and very thoughtfully composed.
I support Israel’s right to exist just as much as I support the right for Palestinians to have their own state. I don’t have any agenda here.
No issue with that but it seems you also think there is a nuanced debate to be had over what has been happening over the past week or so.
I don’t think that’s what the BDS movement are trying to do. The Israeli centre are Zionists, and any peace settlement that they would feasibly feel comfortable with will have to accommodate that fact. Whereas the BDS movement is largely driven by people whose aim is the complete defeat of Zionism, though of course that does not mean everybody who supports it necessarily shares that aim.
I’ve some comments left for some of the later tweets, I’ll try keep them brief.
Not at all, we can all come together to condemn Israel’s actions over the last ten days.
What interests me is the history of the conflict and how we’ve reached this point, apologies if it’s come across as anything other.
This forum is full of very smart people who steer well clear of this debate because of its complexity. No matter how much a person reads or studies there is always something more to understand or appreciate. I don't think he is playing anyone for a fool.
If it's elvis, there's some shit being disturbed. 
Yes you are right. I wasn't very clear to be fair.
I more considered those movements (and from listening to those who have advocated on their behalf) to try and place enough pressure on Israel so Israel agrees a peace settlement. In a sense so the majority of the Israeli public puts pressure on the Government in response to the international pressure. I could be off about that though.
In any event I don't see a way for a lasting settlement to be reached without the majority of the Israeli public to be onboard. And I don't know how that can be brought about.
I do have a question I would appreciate your thoughts on.
Post WW2 there were huge population transfers (ethnic cleansing), especially in Europe, with (I think) 12 million Germans being displaced. At the time how much of the Palestinian flight in 1948 was not as publicised as it would be today or was overlooked because it was part of this movement of people?
Ooh my dad was one of those. He says the ultimatum was "you either become Polish or you get out" an easy decision I suppose but they lost their home and farm.
For a guy who seems to be neutral on this issue and requiring further education on the history of the subject, you do seem to be very 'informed' and pro-Israeli going by your previous posts on this topic. Seeing as you're so vehement on your depiction of Hamas as Terrorists, no doubt you'd have been on your doorstep doing a clap for the IDF based on the recent news that Israel has been bombing a clandestine network of tunnels containing Hamas Terrorists.
But I'll take you on your word and say no more.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/jeremy-corbyn-not-not-labour-party.409447/page-383#post-24930570
My understanding is that it wasn’t considered such a big deal largely for those reasons, although anti-Arab racism and Islamophobia would likely have also been a factor.
‘Population transfer’ itself was not a taboo proposal in that era, it was considered a potentially suitable means to ‘solve’ the problem of ethnic minorities living in the new nation-states emerging from the ruins of empire. The Norwegian Fridtjof Nansen was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in the early 20s in part for brokering the famous ‘population exchange’ between Greece and Turkey, which involved many more people than were made refugees by the 1948 war (one of my very favorite books concerns this episode). This example was specifically cited in the Peel Commission on Palestine (1937) as a possible means by which to make a partition of Palestine into Jewish and Arabs states feasible.
Not sure why you’ve brought Corbyn and Labour’s antisemitism issue into this debate - it’s a completely separate issue.
Hamas are terrorists and they don’t give a shit about Palestinians.
Seeing as they’re willing to risk their own lives for the Palestinian cause I think they do care about Palestinians - whether it is misguided is another topic for debate.
As for Israel are they terrorists? Is the IDF a terrorist entity? Is any Palestinian resistance force which seeks to fight back with the equivalent of sticks in a gunfight going to be deemed a terrorist entity?
Let’s not forget the western world labelled Mandela a terrorist for close to 30 years before he was suddenly labelled a saint when it was convenient for them to do so.
I don't particularly support Hamas but if you consider them terrorists then I wonder what your opinion is of Mandela and the ANC during their resistance to apartheid in South Africa? Including their rigorous bombing campaign? Terrorists or freedom fighters?
No, no and no.
Point proven.
An entity which mercilessly kills innocents and infants is not a terrorist entity and you’re meant to be neutral.
Fraud.
If you saw a child play hit me and then you saw my response was to punch him square in the face would you attempt to look at the situation in a balanced manner and say I had the right to defend myself? Or would you outright call me a cnut no matter what the kid did previously.
His view is basically that of nearly every western government. Two state solution, end to violence, Hamas is terrorist organization etc.
We can disagree with each other Raees without petty name calling.
It is not petty. You're basically Fearless in sheep's clothing and then masquerading in this thread as a guy genuinely wanting to learn more about the conflict. It is fecked up.
I’ve not denied Israel’s action aren’t disproportionate. They are and they are rightly being criticised. Sadly that won’t stop them from continuing as Netanyahu has already said.
No issue with anyone wanting a two state solution. But anyone that does not see IDF as a terrorist organisation after the events of this week has blood on their hands or is lacking a moral compass. They are the equivalent of the SS during WWII. Simply not justified to hold such an opinion without being called out on it. Only thing protecting Elvis is that he is an established poster on this forum.
They are clearly not the equivalent of the SS during World War 2.
But you wouldn't 'be interested in the history' at that point, because it wouldn't matter anymore the more important issue at hand would be that I just punched a kid in the face using my power and force against someone who wasn't on my level as retaliation for something that was nowhere near justified.
IDF is not the same as the SS. They are horrible, but not SS level of horrible.
Wait so because I don’t think the Israeli state is a terrorist state and I don’t believe the IDF to be terrorists I have blood on my hands and lack a moral compass?
Did he not fancy settling in Germany under the right to return?
Thanks for this - I will give that book a read. I am writing quite a bit on the post WW1 treaties and Lausanne is the one I know the least about.
Yes. 100%.
Give them time and total freedom, they would be. They see Palestinian's as subhuman and that has been abundantly evident the past few weeks.
But this is exactly what Hamas is - an entity that mercilessly kills innocents and infants on both sides. Terrorists.
I can be critical of Israel’s actions the last 10 days or so and also be interested in the wider history of the conflict and how it’s ended up in the situation it’s in. Wanted to learn more of the history isn’t me trying to excuse Israel’s actions.
Don't forget your history of using the n-word and calling posters f*gs.