Hands off. 
Isco
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He joined the wrong Spanish giant. Think he'll end up at Barcelona eventually.
I'm a big Isco fan but I'm unsure where he'd fit in in the 4-3-3.
Isco, Varane and £20 million for de Gea, I'd happily take that.
Isco, Varane and £20 million for de Gea, I'd happily take that.
You sure would, you cheeky fecker!
I'm not mocking their importance, I just feel we have a good balance of creativity from the wings and we require something else.. Isco not being that.
If Isco could provide all the skills he has from a central position ala Koke then he would defo be a must get player for us.
He's played the majority of his games in the middle this season, and has been excellent, so he certainly can. Koke on the other hand still tends to play wide at a club level.
He's a luxury player not a centre mid. He will play a Mata role
As for Koke maybe last season but most times when i've seen him he's been left centre or advance centre.
A playmaker is not a luxury player.
Of course he could do it from a central position. He's been part of the central three most of the season albeit on the left tip.
Sometimes you have holes in your team that need filling. Some players have the kind of ability that even if they don't fill those holes you have to get them if they're available because they'll take what works up a notch.
And personally I don't think we have creativity in abundance either. We're in a little lacking creatively IMO.
People should stop using the word luxury player for every creative player.
We lack it because the gaps still need filling, not because of what we already have. Take the loving out the question.. What has this guy actually done? Nothing! He looks incredible on the ball i'll give everyone that but so does Diego Ribas. We need a new Central left and a tricky winger for the top and arguable a Striker. We not going to lose any sleep if Isco goes to City for instance.
Is Riquelme for instance, a luxury player?
Is Pirlo for instance, not a luxury player?
Both are creative. I don't think anyone has got it confused.
How is he a luxury player? He's played deeper than Mata has played and has been comfortable doing so. He's shown that he's capable of working hard off the ball and playing in a disciplined way.
Isco is better than Fabregas, play him instead of Fellaini and we have a world class midfield.
So true.
Pedro or Alexis Sanchez were luxury players at Barcelona, not good enough to start, way too good to be on the bench.
Hands off.
Your team is like the fat kid hogging all of the sweeties. You're too busy shovelling Flying Saucers into your mouth that there isn't any space left for the M&Ms. Let us have the M&Ms you fecker!
I'm sure I started off with a point but now I'm just hungry
We'll just take Ronaldo back after he breaks your all time scoring record in the next few weeks.Hands off.
This.
I've been a big fan of Isco since his Malaga days and would love to have him here but there is no need for him and the only position available to him would be a out wide attacking midfielder in our 433 which is currently being occupied by a world class form Mata.
He has been Madrid's best and most consistent player this season and he was great for Malaga too in both their league campaign and their CL exploits in 12/13. Isco would improve United's team and he is better than any midfielder that they currently possess.
He's not a no10, I haven’t seen him play that position once this season (Madrid don’t play in a formation that uses such player). He is primarily a midfielder like Herrera, but plays on the left (in a midfield 3). Secondary he can play on the wing but he’s not that suited because his top speed isn’t that high. In our setup he could play the same role Herrera plays, but also he wouldn’t do worse than Young as a winger linking up with Blind and Fellaini. Provide him some passing options and he will be absolutely brilliant wherever he plays.
Also, he improved his defensive game massively this year. This season whenever he played he was always in the middle of the action, on both ends. He is a proper midfielder right now. Only thing he has common with Mata is that he can effortlessly retain possession, he’s much stronger, better dribbler, and faster. More versatile too.
IMO he would be perfect for van Gaal system, like a polar opposite of Di Maria. Obviously, that wouldn’t solve the problem we have on the wings but in the middle he’s great. On the ball he’s top 5 in the world.
You clearly don’t know what kind of player he is, or your understanding of football differs from mine dramatically. He isn’t a winger, he plays in midfield for Real. He works hard and was the most important player for them in 80% matches I’ve seen this season. It’s not only me, polish commentators praise him all the time. In fact I would say he’s more similar to Modric than for example Mata. Would you like Modric in United or is he not a match winner? Because his stats are not impressive at all: http://www.squawka.com/comparison-m...o/136/69/1740/85/p#assists/goals_scored#total
True. People should also stop talking about players they don’t know. Ridiculously underrated player by some on here.
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Honestly believe he'll go on to be the next iniesta but with arguably more output. Remember watching a game he had for Malaga a couple of seasons ago and think he lost the ball about twice the whole match and he wasn't just playing it safe - was taking players on and playing dangerous balls. Sensational player in the making - Real would be mugs to let him go! (although they do have history)
Would prefer him to Bale in any potential, hypothetical transfer De Gea swap.
If fellaini can play behind the striker I think it's fair to say in all aspects other than heading and barging into opponents isco would probably be an upgrade
I'll bet you £100 or equivalent in Euro's that Isco never develops into a centre midfield comparable to that of Modric. If he came here he would occupy wide of a 3 or as someone said above Herrera's position.
And you are correct, he isn’t a wide player. As I said before, a midfield 3 of Carrick behind Herrera and Isco would be brilliant. And you can still play Mata on the right.
Interesting, you think pace is what we lacked against Chelsea with two blocks of defence ahead of Courtois? I would rather have Isco than for example Bale in a game vs Mourinho Chelsea, who probably won’t give you a lot of chances to counter. That is a moot point as they don’t compete for the same position anyway.
Different type of player and LVG would not use him in the same mold as Fellaini otherwise why not just drop Fellaini swap him with Mata and put Di Maria back on the wing. Where's our physical presence with Isco playing the Fellaini role.
Modric's position is near enough the same as Ander Herrera's position though...
Play this out for me...
So we have Isco in our team against Chelsea, where does he play and who does he change the set up of the game?
All hindsight obviously.
Yeah it is however he is more controlled in possession and plays a more disciplined role.
Out of curiosity, how would you like to assess that? I don’t think there is much between them this season (Modric has been injured a lot mind you). Isco has been very important for Madrid and IMO crucial for their winning streak.
Buying and then using him as a part of the front 3 would be a waste IMO, but I can understand why you wouldn’t play him in midfield in the EPL. I would though.
@Vato how would you compare him to Modric?
I was trying to explain that against Chelsea who were parking the bus I don’t think a fast player would make a difference. There wasn’t enough space for Di Maria for example. Isco in much better in tight spaces and I would rather play him instead of Mata, who was completely shut down by Azpilicueta, what was quite easy to predict as soon as we found out Herrera won’t be playing beside him.
Or option B, Isco in the middle for Rooney, who goes up top.
Firstly, I struggle to find any player who can play Fellini role.
Secondary, Isco is 10 times better than Mata in midfield (who is not a midfielder anyway).
The “psychical presence” is a good argument but Isco is not weak (not particulary strong either, similar to Herrera IMO).
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I dont know, instead of fecking rooney in midfield maybe? You know the guy who is a striker?
He won´t be sold, he is too good and too popular.It is impossible to be absolutely sure since Madrid uses to take weird decisions in transfer market but I think that his case is different from Mesut and Di María. The club likes to keep a spanish banner and an heir, Butragueño-Hierro, Hierro-Raul, Raul-Iker, Iker-Ramos and possibly starting next year Ramos-Isco.
I get that but Chelsea done a good job of nullifying the space in the final third they cut the space in the middle for Mata to roam in and made sure any Fellaini knock downs were won. For me the best way of exploiting their tactics was to get at them with the over lap. Shaw got at them plenty of times they couldn't deal with his pace. Bale would have offered us the same stretching their full backs as there centre halfs wanted know part of leaving their zone.
We had enough position to be creative however the weren't pressing enough for it to be effective.
So who plays Rooney's role Isco? Give it a rest. Not at this level (As in EPL) would be a walk in the park for Matric, Cesc and Zouma.
You have to be trolling.
Why am I trolling. Isco & Herrera at the centre of our midfield against Chelsea. We are not winning that midfield battle.
Sorry not having it.
We had Di Maria who could provide overlapping. IMO that would’ve resulted in more crosses into the box, and I felt like Chelsea CBs were quite comfortable with those. Isco IMO would give us another dimension.