He could fit into a 4-3-3 no problem, either on the left of the front three or (as he's played successfully this season) in one of the deeper 3 midfield roles.
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He could fit into a 4-3-3 no problem, either on the left of the front three or (as he's played successfully this season) in one of the deeper 3 midfield roles.
You see that's the thing he doesn't score many goals so one of those long rangers you talk about would be as often as a Micheal Carrick goal. Bale has treble the amount of goals to his name so I don't know how you can see Bale wouldn't score. Yes he has great dribbling ability but he won't be leaving any defenders like Hazard because he's not that fast.
Isco is a quality player but you can't play him and Mata without being predictable in build up play or him and Di Maria and expect goals except from Rooney, which is not enough of you are trying to win a league and compete in the champs league. We will get found out easily against the best.
Is this the same gareth bale who struggles against atletico? I would always have someone of isco's mould vs bales' against a deep defense who is determined to partk the bus.
Is that you Mr Souness?
He is an exceptional talent, he's the kind of player that goes on to compete for the biggest invidual awards if he's at the right club.
Like Iniesta
What did Isco do?
We are looking for someone who can play out wide. Isco does that. Why would we need to move away from the 4-3-3?
There are more ways of ensuring a team scores more goals than just buying a better goalscorer. Isco would improve our offense immensely, more than Depay. Yes, Depay is a better goalscorer but it isnt as simple as getting the better goalscorer especially when the player isnt a striker.
Not start, mostly.
Isco is a lot more talented than Mata and more creative. We have enough goals in our team with everyone chipping in currently and Isco has scored 26 goals in the last couple of years and i am sure you would agree that it is a very good return for someone who is predominantly a creative player.
Don't compare him to Carrick in terms of goal scoring, that is a bit bizarre.
I agree that we don't NEED Isco. However, if he's available and IF it doesn't affect our other transfer targets then we'd be foolish to pass on. My wish is Gundogan/Koke/Schneiderlin. But boy id be over the moon if we can get Isco too, doubt it'll ever happen but deep down inside we are all just a bunch of transfer muppets.
Better dribbling, ball retain-ship, chance creation, defensive work and all being 3 years younger.
It'd be like brining Falcao to the club. Not needed but a quality player who would improve the team big time.(we couldn't know with Falcao). If he is on the market i'm sure we will contact his agent no doubt.
I don't see Ronaldo Bale and Benzema being too worried when Isco isn't on the teamsheet. I know what you are trying to say but he would come here and do the same job Mata does now.. what Kagawa was suppose to do before and stats wise what Di Maria has been doing.
Anyone who has watched Real Madrid most weekends this season knows how good Isco is, I can't believe some prefer Depay because he scored 20 goals in a third tier league, Isco could probably bag that as well in the Eredivisie.
They have Modric, Kroos and James Rodriguez and are up against teams where its a matter of how many and not the result. Its a totally different scenario to what we have here so I'm not sure why you're bringing that up. He's been among their best players this season.
Yes, he would do the job Mata does but from the opposite flank and probably do it better other than the goal scoring part which Mata is freakishly good at. He's a much better player than Kagawa ever was.
I didn't compare him to Carrick... I said him scoring a long range effort was as common as Carrick scoring a goal. He has never scored above 10 league goals and I can't see him improving that anytime soon. But for what he is.. thats a good record but your missing my point. All I said is we need a game changing winger who offers goals.
I bet Benzema and Cristiano prefer playing with Isco than Bale.
So what we play Mata on one flank and Isco on the other? Where is the ability to hit teams on the break? Who can spread the opposition defence? and who going to cross to our strikers?
I don't think it would make a blind bit of difference if they replaced Bale with Ozil, Di Maria, Sanchez or Ashley Young they would still score and have enough creativity around them.
Nope. Mata centrally, Di Maria on the right and Isco on the left.
Di Maria gives you the pure pace for counters. The width doesnt have to come from wingers, full backs provide as much width. Young also cuts in, we dont play a Valencia out wide.
Which is why your point about them not being worried when Isco doesnt play was so pointless in our context.
Isco has the potential to be better than Mata (or any Spanish player of his generation), but to say he's a lot more talented and more creative at this moment in time is ridiculous. Stats over the last three seasons:
Isco: Appearances: 145/ Goals: 28/ Assists: 27.
Mata: Appearances: 126/ Goals: 35/ Assists: 44.
That was more to emphasis that him being a creative player had no impact on Ronaldo and Benzema being able to score goals, they score with him in our out the team. The same as our team should not rely on creative players being the reason we score...
At the end of the day my comment still remains the same. We need a GAME CHANGER. Meaning someone that can spark something out of nothing to get a goal. A top level one at that.
Hazard, Bale, Ronaldo, Messi, Sanchez, Suarez. these are top level game changers, we don't have one. RVP use to be when at his best.
He's not a great winger he's much more effective through the middle, we need a wide man and Depay is 10 times better in that role.
Buying Isco to play left wing would be a waste of talent and money.
Was that suppose to impress me? With less games Mata has more goals and more assist and is only 3 years older.
Will he have a better career than Koke?? I'd happily bet he doesn't.
Amazing player. Luxury signing.
I'd ditch Mata for him in a hartbeat, so creative, elegant, and great on the ball. He can beat defenders, be the playmaker, and can function on multiple positions. Only doubt Real would sell him.
Are you simple? I was responding to someone who was essentially saying Mata was no where near as good as Isco. I was making the point that Mata's statistics are more impressive, although Isco is younger.
He wouldnt play as a traditional winger, he's never played that way. He'd play as Mata does, start out wide but move in and create. Depay isnt a traditional winger either, he'd do the same but unlike Isco would be looking to get at the end of things and be more direct.
What utter nonsense. His presence or absence makes feckall difference becayse its James fecking Rodriguez that plays when he doesnt and because Madrid as a team walk over every La Liga team not named Atletico and Barca. It ISNT the same in the PL and not the same at Man Utd.
What is the part in bold supposed to even mean? Should we have individualistic players in every attacking position? Seeing Van Gaal drill the playing style he has, how can you even think that this is the direction the club would move in?
Do be kind enough to name the players of the above quality that are available and how you think we'l use them.
There aren't many players who have a better record than Mata in the final third. He's also a better goal scorer than Isco. In the name of fairness i do have to point out though, that Isco has played as a proper midfielder(mostly on the left, sometimes on the right) for 90 percent of his career. Mata is an attacking midfielder and plays a more advanced role.
Isco isn't just about end product. He is similar to Iniesta from a few years ago (although he is not as good as Iniesta at his best). If you give him the ball he will get it from A to B 8 or 9 times out of 10, either with a great pass or by dribbling past players with his great close control and then finding the player he is supposed to get to. He is also great at creating space for others. You give him the ball and due to his great control in tight spaces, it takes two or three opposition players to get the ball off him, so he waits for the three or four opposition players to close him down and once they get close enough he will release the ball to a teammate in space, taking the players closing him down out of the game. He is also great at weaving his way through defensive blocks. Those are other things that Iniesta used to do a lot that Isco is also excellent at. Mata does not have the close control that allows Isco to be effective when there is little space and as a result cannot do these things I mentioned as effectively as Isco, although Mata is better when it comes to end product. Mata is seen as a great player in Spain but he is not rated as highly as a lot of the other Spanish midfielders including Isco (and it is not just because he plays in Spain and Mata does not. For years Fabregas was viewed as the third best Spanish midfielder from an attacking point of view after Xavi and Iniesta even when he was at Arsenal and was seen as better than Cazorla, Silva etc).
My bad thought you was stating the opposite.
I agree with more or less everything you say, it's just one poster (up the page) was completely down playing Mata's ability. For me, Isco is one of the three best young midfield players in the world (Pogba and Verratti being the other two). For what it's worth, I also considered Isco to be very similar to Iniesta (at least potentially).
No problem.
While i agree with your assessment, on a slightly different note i think Spain need someone like Mata, he would solve a lot of their problems. Lets be honest Spain do not lack in worldclass midfielders that can control a game. What they do lack is a top goalscoring midfielder. You can have a team full of Xavis, Iniestas and Silvas and they will dominate the game but they still can't guarantee a goal. This seems to be their biggest problem lately. Mata's efficiency in front of goal is second to none, actually he has a better conversion rate than top strikers like Aguero and Suarez which is remarkable. I hope Mata gets a proper chance in the Euros.
Such an odd thing to say. Creative players are every bit the reason your so called GAME CHANGERS score.
Did you see oscar's back heel to hazard on the weekend? It was brilliant and every bit as important as the run made by hazard.
Messi, Ronaldo and Suarez are the world's three best footballers so I'm not sure how we're supposed to just pluck those out of thin air.
THe other two - Sanchez and hazard - Rooney and Di Maria can be every bit as good for us next season as them.
I take your point that you feel we need one player who is a natural and regular goal getter with ability.
However I'd argue that the you need all sorts of top players in a side, and great teams tend to have technical players who are simply a cut above the rest too. And Isco is just that.
I mean, was iniesta not a game changer? He influenced football matches far more than I've seen Sanchez or hazard do.
Agree with this 100%, we seriously lack players with that killer instinct in front of goal. Mata seleccion!
He'd be a class transfer, but let's face it, Barca will come running a year later.
-------Herrea----Carrick
----Mata----Isco------Di Maria
------------Rooney
I reckon this front Six could win us the League and go far in the CL. Especially with a strong bench
----Mata----Isco------Di Maria
------------Rooney
I reckon this front Six could win us the League and go far in the CL. Especially with a strong bench