I agree such a shame Rooney is mediocre now and Mata is talented but not as talented as isco.
Isco
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Are those really the sort of wages that are under discussion? He was on about 2m Euros net pa(4m pre-tax) at Madrid, that's about £65k per week.
A contract he signed while young, and coming from Malaga I think his previous club was?
He's due a new contract which means higher wages, and to really go to Spurs from Madrid he'll want to be one of the highest, if not the highest earner. I think £150k+ (pre-tax, we have higher tax rate than Spain too) isn't ridiculous, considering he'll likely cost a lower fee because Madrid appear to want to get rid of him, rather than Spurs poaching him.
Bit of a strange one for Tottenham really, considering Alli and Eriksson both prefer the 10 position, that's definitely Isco's best too. I guess if they have a chance to sign a player like him though, you just do it and worry later.
I cant see it happening but yes you are right - although I think Isco would be incredible playing in a deeper position also.
Fantastic player. Really underrated.
He can get away with playing in a 3 man midfield as he works really hard, but not sure about playing him in a 2 man CM in the premier league, would be a bit risky. Then again Modric did it, so who knows?
Isco's the type of player that, if available, you make room for. He'd be so good here if he gets back to his best.
Oh, the irony.
A more direct Mata who can dribble. Would have worked for that RW or 10 spot, but with Rooney and Mata it will never happen.
He needs to leave Madrid asap. He's barely played in two seasons.
United supposedly considering a January bid for him. Could be the next ADM case, could be the next Silva.
I would take him in a heartbeat, would replace Rooney exceptionally well. Finally someone capable of beating his man through the middle and a joy to watch.
Wont happen though, the Mirror is the source.
Wont happen though, the Mirror is the source.
He's a great player. But I feel the next two players we should sign are a deep lying midfielder and player with lightning pace. Isco fits neither of those categories.
I really don't think he is what we need right now.
Depends on how you look at it. Ideally, you'd go for a holding midfielder, but which one is available at this point in time?
Isco solves the Rooney problem and is able to play both in a midfield three with Pogba, or as a #10 in a 4231. Isco, Pogba and Schneidi/Carrick has mouth watering potential.
Dunno. He is quality and I really like him, but I don´t think we need him. With Mkhi and Pogba we already have two players that fill the role, that he can play. I am all for it, if the manager wants him (and has a plan how to use him.....) but I am not a fan of singing players for the sake of it. If it happens in January, it is imo a sign of desperation
To me it looks weak defensively.
We need a box-to-box (Strootman/Gueye) and a holding midfielder (Weigl/Jorginho) to partner Pogba. Another #10 shouldn't be the priority, we already have Mkhitaryan and Mata who are this type.
He's not a #10. He can play #10, but he's more of a #6/8 hybrid with enough instincts to handle #10. Closest thing to Iniesta. Mata, I believe, won't be here much longer (not that I agree with it, but that's another topic), while Mkhi is very good on the flanks as well.
Like I said, which holding midfielder will be available at this point in time? Weigl will cost a fortune and Napoli is always a pain to deal with. Mind you, I don't think Schneidi (and Carrick obvs) is the way to go, long term. However, those two should be enough to get United to at least a Top 3 finish this season and, more importantly, get Pogba away from the shackles of a CM 2.
Does fernandinho-de bruyne- silva look weak defensively? Or the midfield liverpool usually play? Or modric with kroos? Or Xabi Alonso, Thiago, Muller? Busquets, Iniesta, Rakitic? All big clubs tends to play with 1 holding mid and then 2 play maker types these days. One or them obviouslt doing more defensively, and Pogba can do that role perfectly. He just needs the right holding mid. Isco next to him in front of a holding mid would be right along those lines (though I think we should put Mkhitaryan right there and we would be fine).
I've always thought Isco would be great for us, but how likely are Madrid to sell him facing a transfer ban? Hard to believe there's any substance to this.
Err, not sure about this one. Quality player no doubt (and a personal favorite from his Malaga days), but there might be an overlap between him and Pogba (they both like to drift into the inside left channel):
What we really need in attack is a genuine outside channel threat: someone who can beat people with trickery and staggering pace, stretch the flank, and provide some consistent service and danger from the wing (something we've lacked since Valencia's peak as an assist machine). Like Carrasco or Lucas, but more consistent. Martial and Mkhitaryan are really good on the outside, but one is primarily a goal oriented attacker, and the other likes to slide inwards. The devastation a proper outside threat can cause is invaluable (like Douglas at Bayern last season). That's aside from a proper central midfield lynchpin to orchestrate the game, and Isco ain't that (Thiago was the prime mover for Spain's U-21 team in 2013).
Would be a good fit at City in the Silva role, though (coupled with De Buryne in the front 3).
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Infact, given the strengths of our personnel, we should do away with the #10 position completely (unless Mkhi plays there), which makes Isco semi-redundant because apart from that, his position of relative specialty is as the 'Iniesta' in a midfield 3.
What we really need in attack is a genuine outside channel threat: someone who can beat people with trickery and staggering pace, stretch the flank, and provide some consistent service and danger from the wing (something we've lacked since Valencia's peak as an assist machine). Like Carrasco or Lucas, but more consistent. Martial and Mkhitaryan are really good on the outside, but one is primarily a goal oriented attacker, and the other likes to slide inwards. The devastation a proper outside threat can cause is invaluable (like Douglas at Bayern last season). That's aside from a proper central midfield lynchpin to orchestrate the game, and Isco ain't that (Thiago was the prime mover for Spain's U-21 team in 2013).
Would be a good fit at City in the Silva role, though (coupled with De Buryne in the front 3).
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I'm not a fan of Schneiderlin. In the case of having Carrick as the DM with Isco and Pogba in front, i am sure we would be exposed a lot. Neither of them has the defensive instincts to make it work.
Pep's unique pressing and the fact that they have more than 60% of the possession every game means that it can work. Not often will they get attacked and they still have Fernandinho to clean up for them. You could say the same about Barcelona.
Real Madrid have played with Casemiro 3/4 games in the league so far and both Modric and Kroos puts in defensive work.
I have seen the Kroos-Modric midfield work out, but they have been leaky, fortunately for them they have one of the best front lines in the game that makes up for it.
We have to look at ourselves and the players available and i think we need more balance in midfield.
I loved that Malaga team. Willy in net, Demichelis and Weligton at the back, Monreal/Antunes and Gamez as the full backs, Camacho and Toulalan sitting in midfield, Isco and Joaquin on the wings, occasionally Portillo and Duda playing, with Saviola/Cruz up top. I also liked Piazon when he came on loan from Chelsea. I was so disappointed when Dortmund got that last minute goal to knock them out.
Even though Isco was easily the star of the team, I personally loved Portillo. It upsets me seeing how his career has turned out as I thought he was a very clever player.
Another luxury player.....yay!!!
He's what we need, pick up Neves while we at it. A midfield of Isco, Pogba and Neves would dramatically improve our team.
I wanted him in the summer but seems like he can't get a start for Porto this season. What's up with him?
I'd like us to move away from our current formation into a 4-3-3. Isco can definitely play there but we already have Pogba who excels in that role. Can't see both working together under Mourinho so I'd rather we don't go for him.
Another top player we can destroy!!
Yay!
Yay!
He's got City written all over him and who can blame him, can't imagine many choosing us over them at the moment.
Except there has been nothing to suggest so, and he occupies positions they are absolutely stacked in.
If we are going to 433, which I think we are then, he will be a good addition.
How do you define a 'luxury player'? Because to me, this is a player who's sole contributions amount to flashy goals and assists. Isco is definitely not like such a player.
Isco's technical ability is incredible, alongside Pogba with a destroyer next to them and that midfield could become a force to be reckoned with. He has the speed and quick feet to get out of tight situations as well as being an immense dribbler and being able to play those defence unlocking passes. Whether or not his time on the bench has affected him though, I'm not so sure.
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Of course a silky Spanish midfielder must be a luxury player. You don't need intelligent and technical players with good work rate.
How does Isco fit in to a United midfield, exactly?
Excellent player, but in likelihood again means 4-2-3-1 and Pogba sitting deep.
Excellent player, but in likelihood again means 4-2-3-1 and Pogba sitting deep.
Isco isn't a pure No. 10.
"Luxury player" is one of the Cafe's shite inventions.
Sounds like what Rooney is supposed to be but is the exact opposite of.
He's also a very hard worker but I can't see Mourinho going for him.