Well it looks like he isn't going to be part of the squad again this year. If I was him, I would leave United and sign for someone who would give me proper playing time week in week out. Loans don't work out so well because there is no end gain for the club playing you. They don't get to keep you and they don't get any money in return. So he should leave and sign for a lower level club who will play him.
Isco
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I think the best deal for both parties will be to sell him with a buyback option. If he becomes a player worth keeping, it's basically like you paid another club to develop him. Much better than a loan since, as you said, there is nothing to gain for the loaning club when they know he's coming back to United anyway. United should look at how Barca bought, loaned, sold, then bought back Denis Suarez.
Yeah I get what you're saying Brwned, but then again, I never voted "yes" to wanting Pogba at that price. Pogba would be worth half that fee IMO, maybe £60m considering potential, age and marketability etc. But free markets and all. Isco is a cracking little player. I just think people (like myself) will need some time to adjust to this new "prices".
The numbers started getting silly a looooooong time ago - I don't really understand them most of the time, so I just try and look at them as relative figures as opposed to absolute figures. If I was an Arsenal fan and they'd bought Isco for £70m, I'd start off thinking what the feck have we done but then I'd look at what United have paid for Pogba, I wouldn't feel too aggrieved. It wouldn't be great negotiation, admittedly, but in terms of the standard of player I don't think United would've actually got better value for money.
I do agree that Juve were in a much stronger negotiating position than Madrid which is why they're going to get a significant amount more for him. I just think, with that taken into consideration, £70m isn't that absurd as an asking price. It might well be a reasonable figure for his "actual worth", as you say. I think they'll go for a lower offer too but if they were to get a few clubs in a bidding war they could possibly get something close to that. Which on the one hand is absurd, because he's a starter for neither club nor country, but on the other hand it's entirely possible he'll develop into one of the best players in the world and that's seemingly the going rate for a player of that quality.
I see where you're coming from, but the caveat is that it's Madrid and interested parties can wait it out or just let them keep a player they don't want on their books. Isco's talent isn't in question, but depending on how much they want/need him gone, they're bound to accept quite a lowered rate for him. Unless a buying club wants to integrate him immediately, they've no reason to do anything until Madrid get antsy and lower their asking price, and even then, they can probably haggle it further south if there's no bidding war for him.
At anything above £50m, I can't see many clubs even considering it. Perhaps Real would've been smarter to announce at a lower number and then watch the interested clubs bump his price up and up fighting among themselves... than to go with what they have.
Nah, just the way you used a 're' at the end of your sentence. A very Indian thing to do while speaking or writing.
Not relevant, don't bother.
Nah, just the way you used a 're' at the end of your sentence. A very Indian thing to do while speaking or writing.
Not relevant, don't bother.
I was just told.. I thought it was normal in the workplace when writing emails 
It is normal, and im not indian.
Reports were that they had agreed to sell di Maria for 45m pounds but PSG couldn't spend that much at the time because of FFP restrictions. 60m was more than his true value at the time he was sold. Also, true value tends to decrease when a club is actively looking to dispose a player irrespective of their performance in the previous season.
How could have they treated Isco better? They couldn't have given him more time when he didn't fit Zidane's plans and they were going for major honors.
The market has gone completely bonkers is bit of a myth too. Besides the crazy Higuain fee and an insane amount talked about for Pogba, it's a regular inflated market. Barcelona & Chelsea have been able to acquire players without paying over the top fees.
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£75m is impossible for him. They'll be lucky to get a £50m offer, he's a good player but there's a lot of talent in the position he plays in and everyone knows Madrid don't need him that much.
Nails it. In my opinion, £50m is far too much for him, even in today's market. Pjanic is a better player and just got sold, to a direct rival no less, for 32m euro.
Isco's problem is that he has played most of his career as an attacking midfielder but, despite his great technique, he simply doesn't have the athleticism or end product to make it as a winger or 10 for a top team. His goals+assists stats for Real are very mediocre when you consider the offense in which he has been playing and the numbers put up by players in similar roles like James. IMO, his skill set makes him better suited for a deeper lying CM role, in which he could use his technique and passing to control play. But he doesn't have a lot of experience playing deeper so converting him to that role is a project that might or might not work out.
It is normal. Re is short for regards to or regarding in English. What gandalf is talking about is different as Re is also a hindi word with an entirely different meaning.
At this point in time Pastore is much better than Isco. Though, if he fulfills his potential then that midfield would be quite something. Not that it isn't already looking great as is this season for PSG.
So you believe Madrid would've sold Di Maria to the most monied club in football, coming off an all-time level season for £45m? And that we then came in and spent almost £15m more to acquire his signature? Whether true or false, it doesn't really matter because if they were going to do that, it only further proves how shoddy they are when it comes to offloading talent. I understand why we would have paid what we did given our predicament at the time, but PSG, a club looking to make a name for itself at that time completely awash with cash paying considerably less, even if it was the player's desired destination? I did make the point about prices dropping for unwanted talent; that was a given though with how Madrid offload their players.
If you want £70m for a player he has to be intrinsic to your plans as a first team. Like I said in a response to Brwned, Madrid would probably have been smart to have announced him to the market and let interested parties elevate the fee via bidding against each other. They mightn't set the price that way, but clubs pitted against each other would surely raise it a great deal.
Can't agree with you at all on the last paragraph - the market *is* mental and selling clubs can make a hell of a lot of money off the back of that.
I do believe that. The deal was all set to go at £45m if not for the FFP restrictions PSG had to deal with that year; which would have been a top 10 deal in terms of transfer fees at the time. That wasn't a shoddy fee for a player that you are looking to sell. And yes, we were made to pay £60m because of our desperation late in the window, borne out of being out of the top 4 for the first time in 25 years, having recently fired a manager 10 months into his job. Madrid had a chance to take advantage of us, and they did.
We'll have to see how much Isco goes for. Right now it's all paper speculation. However, I don't disagree that to get £70m the player should have been an integral part of your team the previous season. He wasn't, and never has been since his move from Malaga. That is why he'll probably go for much less than the fees being touted right now. Though not because Madrid are shoddy selllers, but because he is not an intrinsic part of their plans.
Market has seen a lot of inflation due to the money available to the PL clubs. However, it's gone mental in a few isolated cases, so far. Let's see if it really goes bonkers in the last 24 days as teams get more desperate.
I just can't buy into that 1st paragraph, to be honest. The numbers are too disparate for it to really read as feasible. PSG were the #1 club to fleece at that time, along with City. Our desperation goes without saying, but not to the tune of £15m more than a club like PSG at that time.
We're going to go round in circles about Madrid, so I'll drop it.
China, PL, Higuain, Renato Sanches. Any elite level talent has gone for a fortune and that's what the isolated cases represent - if there were more clubs looking to sell, we'd see that that wouldn't be isolated.
I don't want to go too mental but there are rumours swirling around that Spurs are making a big push to get Isco - personally i'll eat my hat if we sign him but if he does I would eat my hat happily (and it is a very big hat)
Hope thats bullshit. They dont deserve a player like him.
Ahhh... now I'm praying we get him just to annoy you.
No offence, but a player like him can do better. He can surely secure a transfer to Chelsea or the likes.
Yeah I know that - which is why I find it crazy we might be trying for him. I'm not getting my hopes up. (If I was being pedantic I would point out that we finished higher than Chelsea last season and can offer Champions League football which they can't - but I still get your point)
Would crush me to see such a gracious player turn up in the PL for another team, in this case Tottenham. Secretly, i always hoped we could get him somehow, he is a joy to watch, even if not the most productive. But you wont see many better players on the ball than him.
He is a fantastic player and I too would love to see him playing in the Premiership - it would be a dream come true if he did play for Spurs but like I've said - I'll believe it when I see it.
Signing Isco would derail Dele Ali's development.
Pochettino is already toying with the prospect of playing Kane off Janssen, so this would cause further headaches.
Isco has a poor attitude apparently. My friends in Spain say that it is often reported that he is enjoying the Madrid nightlife a little too much. Along with James and Jesé (now gone).
Pochettino is already toying with the prospect of playing Kane off Janssen, so this would cause further headaches.
Isco has a poor attitude apparently. My friends in Spain say that it is often reported that he is enjoying the Madrid nightlife a little too much. Along with James and Jesé (now gone).
Yeah I also get your point. But if we only consider league position last years you should be able to secure a player like Pogba ahead of us, but we both know that isn't the way it works (everyone except someone like @GlastonSpur knows that is how it works, that is).
I can just imagine someone like Isco on £200k\week at Chelsea instead of the shit Oscar currently playing there. I don't think you will pay that, and I don't think that Isco will consider the chances for a league or CL trophy at Spurs greater than at Chelsea.
Yeah I know - I honestly can't see it happening but if by some miracle it did happen I'd be absolutely delighted.
Would completely destroy Spurs' wage structure if they buy him, won't it?
Kane & Lloris must be their highest earners, with Eriksen & Vertonghen soon to follow surely.
Isco would command £150k+
Kane & Lloris must be their highest earners, with Eriksen & Vertonghen soon to follow surely.
Isco would command £150k+
I love watching him play but there's no spot in our team atm. It'd still be painful to see him play for another club in England.
I think (again this is pie in the sky stuff) that Isco would be in competition with Eriksen at least initially - I actually think Isco could be fantastic playing deeper. It would immediately give us fantastic options in the squad and I wouldn't be too worried about Alli's development if he was to come tbh.
Possibly, which is yet another reason I don't think it could happen
Why don't you feck off with constant snide remarks? It seems like mostly you just cast around looking for a fights.
United signed Pogba because they offered both him and his club an obscene amount of money - or else it never would have happened. Everybody and his dog knows this.
It must be exciting to be a Spurs fan to be linked with him, and I'd hate for him to go to any other club in the UK except United, (Martial - Isco - Miki/Rashford supporting Zlatan would be a dream) but Levy's a pretty savvy guy, buying Isco wouldn't be worth the gamble I don't think.
When you see some of the ridiculous sums paid for players this summer plenty of other clubs would have offered him the same. Chelsea and City two prime examples just from the PL.
He wanted to play for United, deal with it.
Another player that has stalled in the past few years.
Taking into account that his best position doesn't exist in Real's midfield, he actually did well in my opinion.
So while it's true that he stalled in terms of becoming a dominant playmaker, he did develop a lot in terms of secondary skills (workrate, defensive abilities, CM positioning & build up play, etc).
If a club buys him and plays him in an attacking midfielder role, they will get a pretty complete player.
Hope Spurs dont get him.
I'd be so annoyed if he goes to spurs we should be doing all in are power to get him so dynamic and his ability is second to none.
If we didnt have Rooney and Mata, I think we would be in for him but definitely not now.
We do not need him. Don't want.