Isco

ManchesterUnitedFan said:
Those are exceptions more than anything, most 10's have average pace.
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Kdb is deceptivley pacey, and is strong too, Oezil is similar.
Miki certainly has lovely acceleration and balance when running. This is why I think he'll end up being our RW as opposed to the 10. Let's hope he plays tomorrow
 
It's simple, there is no rule, some #10 are pacey others aren't.
 
http://www.tribalfootball.com/artic...o-no-problem-seeking-real-madrid-exit-4149631

Isco admits he could push to leave Real Madrid.

The midfielder has been linked with a January transfer to Manchester United and says he wants to be playing more regularly.

"Leaving at Christmas is an option that I'm not contemplating. I'm not going to give up so easily, but if at the end of the season I see that I haven't played much, I will look at my options," he told Radio Cope.

"I'm 24 and if I don't find a place in the starting 11, I'd like to move one. I know what I can do well and if not here, then I'd like to be able to do it elsewhere.

"I'm happy in Madrid, but what footballers want is to progress and if I can't here, I wouldn't have a problem in looking for an exit. My objective, though, is to triumph at Madrid."
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last week against Eibar had the opportunity to strike a blow on the table and again he made the same mistakes as always, mainly to hold the ball too long, complicating things, with actions that do not lead anywhere, jogging when an extra was needed to win.

With Ancelotti and in a midfield of 4 he made good games but in the current system I see very difficult a change in his situation in the team.
 
Spurs were interested in the summer - even got as far as direct conversations between Pochettino and Isco. Could be we'll revive that interest in January ... assuming that Isco has finally decided this time that he wants to leave RM.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Spurs were interested in the summer - even got as far as direct conversations between Pochettino and Isco. Could be we'll revive that interest in January ... assuming that Isco has finally decided this time that he wants to leave RM.
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If he wants to leave, I assume the likes of Utd, City, Chelsea, Juve, Bayern, PSG would all be interested. Cant see Spurs competing with this lot financially, and Real will know how Levy negotiates for his own players, and make sure he pays through the nose if they want him.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Spurs were interested in the summer - even got as far as direct conversations between Pochettino and Isco. Could be we'll revive that interest in January ... assuming that Isco has finally decided this time that he wants to leave RM.
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Even if he decided to leave, there is still a potential problem: Real Madrid can't add new players to their squad until winter 17/18, so they could be hesitant to sell anyone. On the other hand, Isco is kind of surplus to requirements with James/Kovacic/Asensio as offensive options for the third midfielder spot (but the latter two are also needed as backups for Modric and Ronaldo).

Perhaps bringing back Marcos Llorente early from his loan spell as backup/competition for Casemiro could make it possible? Real appear to be trying to do that. They'd have another midfielder to take Isco's place, also in a position with much less depth.

Madrid fans, do you see Real granting Isco his wish to leave, if he came up with it before the end of the ban?
 
Yes,you are right @Synco ,to bring back Marcos Llorente can be an option,he is playing well in Alavés and besides he is Gento's grand nephew so he should get a favourable treatment to get a chance.
I heard a rumor in radio saying that Madrid think that the ban might be reduced to 1 market so Isco could leave in summer.
Personally I think that won't leave in winter.He didn't leave in september so I don't see the point of going on loan for 6 months.Besides Zidane has enough problems and shouldn't reduce his options in the squad. It could be possible if we were in World Cup year to get a place but it's not the case.
 
redNATION said:
If he wants to leave, I assume the likes of Utd, City, Chelsea, Juve, Bayern, PSG would all be interested. Cant see Spurs competing with this lot financially, and Real will know how Levy negotiates for his own players, and make sure he pays through the nose if they want him.
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He'll only have 18 months left on his contract in January, so there's a limit to how much RM could demand if they want to sell ... because his value will only drop thereafter. Or it could it just be a six month loan deal, with both clubs re-assessing things in the summer.

You're right that we can't compete financially with the clubs you mentioned, except perhaps Juve. But if Isco wants to leave and doesn't want to play in inferior leagues, then really the Prem would be his preferred choice. And if he wants lots of playing time (which it's safe to say he does), then he might well consider Spurs to be his best bet.

There are two other factors. Currently he is not CL cup-tied, so if that remains the case come January, and if Spurs make it out of the group stages, then he wouldn't get the chance of CL games this season at either United or Chelski. Then there is the fact that Pochettino is native Spanish speaker ... which always helps.
 
I don't really see the point of going for him. Mata and Miki are both good players who do the same things Isco does, between them. Based on last season's stats, Miki is a better player.

Save the money for other things.
 
Great player, no need of him here though. Juventus bound I'd guess.
 
GlastonSpur said:
He'll only have 18 months left on his contract in January, so there's a limit to how much RM could demand if they want to sell ... because his value will only drop thereafter. Or it could it just be a six month loan deal, with both clubs re-assessing things in the summer.

You're right that we can't compete financially with the clubs you mentioned, except perhaps Juve. But if Isco wants to leave and doesn't want to play in inferior leagues, then really the Prem would be his preferred choice. And if he wants lots of playing time (which it's safe to say he does), then he might well consider Spurs to be his best bet.

There are two other factors. Currently he is not CL cup-tied, so if that remains the case come January, and if Spurs make it out of the group stages, then he wouldn't get the chance of CL games this season at either United or Chelski. Then there is the fact that Pochettino is native Spanish speaker ... which always helps.
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Maybe a few seasons ago but not now. You're pretty set in midfield.

Attacking options:
Dele
Eriksen (new contract)
Lamela
N'koudou
Sissoko (£30m signing)
Son (new lease of life)

With no sign of any being on their way out of the club.
 
Brightonian said:
I don't really see the point of going for him. Mata and Miki are both good players who do the same things Isco does, between them. Based on last season's stats, Miki is a better player.

Save the money for other things.
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Isco brings a lot of the things that Mata does while also bringing a lot more creativity and aggression in midfield. Both on and off the ball. Thing with Mata is he's shit under pressure on the ball as he can never really run with it. Isco is great at drifting past players with his dribbling. Mkhitaryan is lined up for the right side I think, and that's where he did well for Dortmund. Isco playing next to Pogba, in front of the holding mid would be a perfect balance of creativity and aggression, while still being defensively solid. Mata is a lot weaker defensively then Isco is, so it's a position we have to improve on. Sure we could use Mkhitaryan there to fill the role Isco would fill, but then we'd need to bring in a right winger. So again, we have to bring in a right winger or that 3rd midfielder depending on who is available and where Miki will play. Isco has the potential to be world class and would be at a good price, so why not? It's not like spending the money on him would mean we don't have money for anyone else.
 
GlastonSpur said:
He'll only have 18 months left on his contract in January, so there's a limit to how much RM could demand if they want to sell ... because his value will only drop thereafter. Or it could it just be a six month loan deal, with both clubs re-assessing things in the summer.

You're right that we can't compete financially with the clubs you mentioned, except perhaps Juve. But if Isco wants to leave and doesn't want to play in inferior leagues, then really the Prem would be his preferred choice. And if he wants lots of playing time (which it's safe to say he does), then he might well consider Spurs to be his best bet.

There are two other factors. Currently he is not CL cup-tied, so if that remains the case come January, and if Spurs make it out of the group stages, then he wouldn't get the chance of CL games this season at either United or Chelski. Then there is the fact that Pochettino is native Spanish speaker ... which always helps.
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I know Spurs are doing well and all that, but you would be very hard pressed to find any player who would turn United down and pick Spurs unless they were Spurs fans from a young age or just some young player who goes for their development. CL football for this season won't matter, because let's be honest, Spurs aren't going to win it. Spurs had the chance to get him last summer but from what I read didn't meet his wage demands? So going by that, there's no chance they'd get him now with bigger and more prestigious clubs competing for him now too who can meet the wages.
 
Damien said:
Maybe a few seasons ago but not now. You're pretty set in midfield.

Attacking options:
Dele
Eriksen (new contract)
Lamela
N'koudou
Sissoko (£30m signing)
Son (new lease of life)

With no sign of any being on their way out of the club.
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Well, yes, maybe, although increased competition for a starting slot is usually a good thing. But there's also CM, as distinct from the attacking three behind Kane.

Normally we would play with a DM (Dier or Wanyama) plus Dembele, But unfortunately Dembele seems to be quite injury prone, so Isco would bring options here too - either to play instead of Dembele, or else to have Eriksen or Alli (for example) drop into CM instead of Dembele, with Isco playing in the attacking three in Eriksen's stead.
 
Brightonian said:
I don't really see the point of going for him. Mata and Miki are both good players who do the same things Isco does, between them. Based on last season's stats, Miki is a better player.

Save the money for other things.
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Isco can play no8 midfield role comfortably, he could be a natural replacement for Iniesta in the Spain team. He would compete for a space in the midfield, probably a 3 of Pogba/Isco/new CDM. Think of Barca's current midfield of Rakitic, Iniesta and Busquets.

I genuinely dont think Mou is impressed with any of his midfield options other than Pogba, hence him not playing Carrick, Bastian, or Schneiderlin, and playing Herrera and Fellaini out of position. It's not great that we've spent a fortune on midfield and dont have a functioning one yet, but that's what happens when you have 3 managers in 4 seasons.
 
redNATION said:
Isco can play no8 midfield role comfortably, he could be a natural replacement for Iniesta in the Spain team. He would compete for a space in the midfield, probably a 3 of Pogba/Isco/new CDM. I genuinely dont think Mou is impressed with any of his midfield options other than Pogba, hence him not playing Carrick, Bastian, or Schneiderlin, and playing Herrera and Fellaini out of position. It's not great that we've spent a fortune on midfield and dont have a functioning one yet, but that's what happens when you have 3 managers in 4 seasons.
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So, Pogba's position? Surely that's the last thing we want, when the objective at the moment is to get Pogba playing further forward, closer to the goal.

Nah, I just don't see it. Our attacking and creative options at the moment are good. The problem position in midfield is the DM, since Mou has written off BFS and is clearly not convinced by either Carrick or Schneiderlin.
 
bosnian_red said:
I know Spurs are doing well and all that, but you would be very hard pressed to find any player who would turn United down and pick Spurs unless they were Spurs fans from a young age or just some young player who goes for their development. CL football for this season won't matter, because let's be honest, Spurs aren't going to win it. Spurs had the chance to get him last summer but from what I read didn't meet his wage demands? So going by that, there's no chance they'd get him now with bigger and more prestigious clubs competing for him now too who can meet the wages.
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The stumbling block was not wages, but that Isco, in the summer, was still reluctant to give up on RM.

You say that CL football wouldn't matter, but some CL football is better than none. And next season, depending on what the Prem table looks like in January, Isco might conclude that United aren't very likely to be in the CL again next season and that Spurs may well be.
 
Spurs are building a good team. They would probably be best advised not to feck up their wage structure etc. by going for Isco if RM did decide to ship him out, and in the unlikely event he would choose them over higher paying clubs.
 
Brightonian said:
So, Pogba's position? Surely that's the last thing we want, when the objective at the moment is to get Pogba playing further forward, closer to the goal.

Nah, I just don't see it. Our attacking and creative options at the moment are good. The problem position in midfield is the DM, since Mou has written off BFS and is clearly not convinced by either Carrick or Schneiderlin.
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Not really Pogba's position. If you've got 3 midfielders, then two take the box-to-box/creative role, and one takes a pure CDM role. I mentioned Barca as the best example, but Real and Bayern use this system to great effect too. Juve did it, with Vidal and Pogba roaming around Pirlo. People would've said Kroos is replacing Modric in the Real team, but they balance well together. Isco and Pogba i feel would be perfectly complementary, with a proper CDM behind them. Isco's like David Silva, able to dictate the play and play little passes, whilst Pogba's more Yaya, very direct and physical.
 
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redNATION said:
Not really Pogba's position. If you've got 3 midfielders, then two take the box-to-box/creative role, and one takes a pure CDM role. I mentioned Barca as the best example, but Real and Bayern use this system to great effect too. Juve did it, with Vidal and Pogba roaming around Pirlo. Isco and Pogba i feel would be perfectly complementary, with a proper CDM behind them. Isco's like David Silva, able to dictate the play and play little passes, whilst Pogba's more Yaya, very direct and physical.
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But again, if we're talking about 'being creative alongside Pogba ahead of a DM', that's a job Miki or Mata can do just as well as Isco. That 'proper CDM' you talk about is the thing we actually need, no matter how you arrange the other pieces. Fun as it would be, we couldn't actually field a three-man midfield of Herrera, Pogba and Isco.
 
GlastonSpur said:
The stumbling block was not wages, but that Isco, in the summer, was still reluctant to give up on RM.

You say that CL football wouldn't matter, but some CL football is better than none. And next season, depending on what the Prem table looks like in January, Isco might conclude that United aren't very likely to be in the CL again next season and that Spurs may well be.
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The CL excuse was always just a bit of a cop out for players as to why they pick one team over another. United have shown that it's a load of shit really and that players will come because we are spending loads to get back to the top, have some world class players, a world renown manager, etc,. If both United and Spurs are the only 2 teams in for him, I am pretty certain he would pick United. And that has nothing to do with current team quality or being biased for United. Spurs is a more complete then United at the moment and have shown to be better over the past few years. But United have the fame, the money, the pedigree/history, the big names, and loads of other things that tend to influence a players' decision. Even playing time, at Spurs he has Erikson who is class and a key player for poch, while at United he has Mata, who won't ever be a key player for Mourinho and Rooney who is wank.
 
Brightonian said:
But again, if we're talking about 'being creative alongside Pogba ahead of a DM', that's a job Miki or Mata can do just as well as Isco. That 'proper CDM' you talk about is the thing we actually need, no matter how you arrange the other pieces. Fun as it would be, we couldn't actually field a three-man midfield of Herrera, Pogba and Isco.
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I'm not sure who's saying that. A CDM with Pogba and Mata wouldnt work, as we'd have the problem we have just now. Isco can play deeper than either Mhki or Mata, as he did under Ancelotti. Logic dictates that a midfield trio of De Bruyne, Silva and Fernandinho should stand no chance at Old Trafford, but we saw what happened. Silva played a deeper role pulling strings, something which Isco is adept at doing, but Mata and Mhki are definitely not capable of doing as they are pure no10s. In other words, with Isco, you're playing 433, with Mata/mhki you're playing 4231 (as we do just now), with either at no10, which puts Pogba at a disadvantage. If City sign him, he'll replace Silva in the team, and you'll see him play a midfield role.
 
Herrera at #6 with Pogba and Isco ahead of him as #8s could be interesting.
 
His has a very aesthetically pleasing style, so nimble and assured with his touch, but dilly dallies around. Think he's the type to get a move and flourish at a club where he hasn't world class quality easing him out of the team every week
 
Sooner or later Mourinho is going to recognize that he can't accommodate a #10 with Pogba so neither Mata or Micki will be part of a midfield 3. The next step will be to decide whether Ander will be the holding midfielder or not, if not he's perfect as the RCM and we will need to bring in a #6, but if he continues to develop and Jose chooses to keep him in the role then Isco would become a more logical buy as the second #8 with Pogba.
 
sincher said:
That is some pretty fecked up logic tbh.
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A midfield consisting of an average CDM and effectively two no10s? That's like playing Mata and Mhki, with a CDM behind them. It would be disaster waiting to happen if we tried it. That makes the defeat to City all the more frustrating, becuase Mou figured out in the second half that he didnt need to concede the midfield to them
 
Gifted footballer, but we don't really have a need for him, he isn't bringing a new skill set or that much of an upgrade on Mata if he is at all. We are already going to struggle to fit everyone in the team no need for Isco for me.
 
I absolutely love and admire him as a footballer, but (as many others have said) I really don't see where he fits in unless we were to ship Mata out.
 
redNATION said:
A midfield consisting of an average CDM and effectively two no10s? That's like playing Mata and Mhki, with a CDM behind them. It would be disaster waiting to happen if we tried it. That makes the defeat to City all the more frustrating, becuase Mou figured out in the second half that he didnt need to concede the midfield to them
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It isn't like that with the system they play though, with both full backs stepping into midfield. The players are clearly way too good to have 'no chance' anyway. I would not say us playing, say, Carrick behind Mata and Mkhitaryan would give us no chance in games either. In fact if we pushed the full backs up and in like City it could be quite effective.
 
GlastonSpur said:
He'll only have 18 months left on his contract in January, so there's a limit to how much RM could demand if they want to sell ... because his value will only drop thereafter. Or it could it just be a six month loan deal, with both clubs re-assessing things in the summer.

You're right that we can't compete financially with the clubs you mentioned, except perhaps Juve. But if Isco wants to leave and doesn't want to play in inferior leagues, then really the Prem would be his preferred choice. And if he wants lots of playing time (which it's safe to say he does), then he might well consider Spurs to be his best bet.

There are two other factors. Currently he is not CL cup-tied, so if that remains the case come January, and if Spurs make it out of the group stages, then he wouldn't get the chance of CL games this season at either United or Chelski. Then there is the fact that Pochettino is native Spanish speaker ... which always helps.
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It's not the transfer fee that would be a problem but rather the wages he would demand

Spurs have a reasonable wage structure in place.I'm not sure Isco is that good to be worth breaking it in Levy's eyes.
 
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