Of course - being such an insignificant club, with no money.
There's no better buy out there. If we're not in for him, we'll regret it.
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Of course - being such an insignificant club, with no money.
There's no better buy out there. If we're not in for him, we'll regret it.
Are we still talking about Isco? He's going to cost a bomb, so I'd say the ridiculously cheap £18m Thiago is a 'better buy', especially since he actually plays in a position we need to strengthen.
As for regretting it, only to the extent that we must 'regret' not signing any brilliant player. We can't have them all, you know. We should focus on getting the ones we need before trying to scoop up every good young player out there.
I'd rather take Isco and persevere with Cleverley than take Thiago and persevering with our current wingers, especially considering Nani might leave and Valencia being in his worst Utd form.
Thiago costs 18m € and Isco 35m € of course. Thiago for that price is sheer robbery and Isco is available at a price that is what you have to pay for a major young talent like him these days and if you ask me we could do with both of them, especially considering that Isco can also play out wide as well.
If you ask me that would be 53m € invested into two of the future super stars who both have more then 10 years in the game.
If you ask me that would be 53m € invested into two of the future super stars who both have more then 10 years in the game.
Isco and Thiago, the two hottest Spanish prospects to buy right now? Good lord that's some juicy muppetry to think of right there. What a backbone of young talent we would have at United then, worth thinking about for sure.
Even if they cost the same amount then I'd still favour Thiago over Isco, and I'm one that has been flying the flag for Isco this season.
It's hard to tell over who is the more talented, they're both still really young and have a lot of potential. I don't think anyone could call that one to be honest. I'd agree with Pocco, for the simple fact that right now that CM spot needs filling with a solid player, and Thiago could be that person. Isco is great, and I would love him here, but he is a CAM at his best. He can play out wide, but we don't want to do what we have done with Kagawa and waste him like that, whereas with Thiago he would get his favoured spot game after game.
Isco has shown miles more than Thiago to my eyes. Neither are CMs,
I think Thiago is a bigger talent. Isco is quality but Thiago is something very special. If he came here then he'd go down as one of the greats.
Thiago is definitely a CM, he's played a couple of times in CAM this season and even less the season before, but he is definitely a CM.
Sign isco the feck up.. That feint and toe finish was scandalous.
Hard to tell currently who is better I agree. Team needs wise Thiago all the way he is a cm and one of the standout players in his age group for me he is THE standout but he definitely in the conversation. Isco is something else as long as Wayne is here I would say he is surplus requirements but if Wayne left I would say sign him up not to say I want Wayne to go. I hope we get Thiago anyone else what not be as satisfying.
There's a respectable amount of Spanish talents that would be a joy to sign for a right price and Isco is propably one of them.
I can agree with some folks, saying that potential of these players would improve Manchester United in the future and if there's a chance to bring one or even two of them, this club should always have their doors open.
I can agree with some folks, saying that potential of these players would improve Manchester United in the future and if there's a chance to bring one or even two of them, this club should always have their doors open.
He's only a 'CM' in Barca's lop-sided 433. He's not a central midfielder.
I'd edge Thiago over Isco, but then I've watched Thiago a lot longer than Isco. If he is leaving Barca then it'd be a dream to see him come here. With Isco - despite his undoubted quality - I'm more scared of him going to a rival than us missing out on him, if that makes any sense.
Of course if we missed out on both of them then
Of course if we missed out on both of them then
He absolutely is. Did you watch today? He spent half the game level with the CBs, and was incredibly disciplined in terms of not giving in to temptation and joining in with attacks too often. It was a textbook deep-lying playmaker performance.
EDIT: Despite the fact that Isco is stealing all the headlines, they're still equal for me. Thiago plays in a position (and, at Barca, in a system) where it is not quite so easy to shine. Tonight, for example, Thiago looked just as many lightyears ahead of everyone else as Isco, but he was clearly being very disciplined and efficient. In the last five minutes, he was suddenly in AM asking for the ball constantly, I think because the match was clearly won and having been unselfish all game, he wanted to join in with the fun in attack. It was noticeable because he'd so obviously been holding his position whilst others burst forwards for most of the match.
Isco is already one of the best dribblers in the world. If he had pace, I'd say he could be a future Messi. But Thiago is a more complete footballer. He's less easily muscled off the ball, he's got a simply ridiculous range of passing, which he showcased today a few times, and he has that ability to run games from a deep position normally seen in older CMs.
So like I say, taking Isco's age into account they're equal, for me. But obviously factor Thiago's cheap price and perfect fit for our needs into the equation and he's comfortably the better player for us to go for. That said, get both and I reckon we become strong CL contenders.
Depends what you want to catch. Thiago would certainly boost our lackluster midfield without a doubt, but at the same time Isco would boost our wide options that have been none too hot the last year and we are about to lose the most talented player we have in the position.
If we lose Nani, there'd certainly be a requirement for someone in the Isco mould. But that still doesn't exceed the five-year-long void in our central midfield, which remains the highest priority transfer-wise. Don't get me wrong, if we got Thiago and Isco it could turn out to be one of our best transfer seasons ever. But I don't see that happening, and Thiago is what we need, and also much better value.
Isco said: "In seven days I will decide my future.
"After the U21 Euros I will analyse my situation and make the best choice for my future.
"At the moment I am calm and focused on my work with the national team.
"City or Madrid? I can't say. Pellegrini is a great coach, though, of that there is no question."
http://www1.skysports.com/football/...ga-forward-Isco-to-decide-future-in-next-week
"After the U21 Euros I will analyse my situation and make the best choice for my future.
"At the moment I am calm and focused on my work with the national team.
"City or Madrid? I can't say. Pellegrini is a great coach, though, of that there is no question."
http://www1.skysports.com/football/...ga-forward-Isco-to-decide-future-in-next-week
I hope it's Madrid.
So although we wouldn't have got him it's strange why we aren't interested.
Didn't Fergie deem him too slow?
We're not interested because we knew we couldn't get him? Seems pretty straight forward to me. We can't be in for every good player (sorry muppets, I know I'm doing it wrong), especially when they cost as much as Isco will.
Thiago is what we need I agree, but as I say the need for a player of Isco's creative class will be high up on the need list if Nani goes. Moyes likes to employ inside forwards and other than Kagawa (should Rooney stay) we have no other options for that kind of role, our other 3 are more pure wingers or Welbeck who plays there mostly as a defensive option.
I don't get all this talk about him being 'slow' ... is it actually that noticeable? He is not Riquelme or Charlie Adam ffs.
We do actually have some very valid options for the inside forward positions in the reserves that deserve their chance in Lingard and Januzaj. Would rather see them get a shot than spending 30mil on Isco.
Yep, Januzaj could be our Isco. He is just as talented IMO, but needs to be playing regularly now to progress.
He might come good someday, but right now he's the archetypal flavor of the month.
Who, Januzaj or Isco?
Please don't ever put those two players in the same category again.
Isco. The "hype" behind Januzaj is expected, every supporter hopes their players succeed. I don't think Isco has done anything to warrant this much attention. Every online community is creaming over him-- not just this forum.
Mata is slow as feck but it doesn't really stop him because he's such a good dribbler and so clever. In fact quite a few of the best Spanish players out there right now aren't particularly fast, cause they don't really need to be.
We prefer the Valencias over the Iscos. Not going to be in for him.
Isco has claimed he has offers "on the table" from both Manchester City and Real Madrid and would like his future to be decided soon.
The Malaga attacker's sparkling performances at the current European Under-21 Championships in Israel, including a superb solo goal in Saturday's 3-0 semi-final victory over Norway, have underlined his talent and made the €35 million release clause in his current contract look very good value indeed.
Reports in the UK suggest new Manchester City manager Manuel Pellegrini is keen to bring the 21-year-old with him from the Andalucian club. Meanwhile, speculation in Spain maintains that Madrid president Florentino Perez is very keen to sign the youngster, and the player's father and lawyer were photographed driving to a meeting at the Estadio Santiago Bernabeu in late May.
The Malaga born player told AS that he had no real preference between the two suitors, but wanted his current side to be happy with whatever transfer was agreed.
"Well, these are two subjects which are on the table," Isco said. "I hope to decide quickly because I still have a contract with Malaga. I know that Manchester City and Real Madrid are two big clubs. I want the best for me and for Malaga. I do not mind [which club], what I want is to play football wherever it is, and to enjoy myself."
Isco admitted with a smile that his Spanish underage colleagues Dani Carvajal and Alvaro Morata, his room-mate in Israel, had spent their time together this week trying to persuade him to join them at the Bernabeu.
"The two guys are there trying it and insisting," he laughed.
Isco said he had not spoken with Pellegrini since the Chilean coach was confirmed in his new post last Friday.
"No, I have not spoken with him," he said. "I saw about his signing on the internet, when it happened, but he has not called me. He is a great coach and I hope things go well for him in England. He did impressive work at Malaga, as he had at other clubs before. I am sure things will go well for him there."
The chance to work with Pellegrini again was one point to consider, but not the only factor in his choice, Isco said.
"It is true that I know Pellegrini, how he works and the two years I have been with him at Malaga have been fundamental for my career," he said. "It is a point in favour that we have been together and to know how he works, but nothing definitive."
Read more at http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/213715.html#xi17gHHXA0ceiiYE.99
The Malaga attacker's sparkling performances at the current European Under-21 Championships in Israel, including a superb solo goal in Saturday's 3-0 semi-final victory over Norway, have underlined his talent and made the €35 million release clause in his current contract look very good value indeed.
Reports in the UK suggest new Manchester City manager Manuel Pellegrini is keen to bring the 21-year-old with him from the Andalucian club. Meanwhile, speculation in Spain maintains that Madrid president Florentino Perez is very keen to sign the youngster, and the player's father and lawyer were photographed driving to a meeting at the Estadio Santiago Bernabeu in late May.
The Malaga born player told AS that he had no real preference between the two suitors, but wanted his current side to be happy with whatever transfer was agreed.
"Well, these are two subjects which are on the table," Isco said. "I hope to decide quickly because I still have a contract with Malaga. I know that Manchester City and Real Madrid are two big clubs. I want the best for me and for Malaga. I do not mind [which club], what I want is to play football wherever it is, and to enjoy myself."
Isco admitted with a smile that his Spanish underage colleagues Dani Carvajal and Alvaro Morata, his room-mate in Israel, had spent their time together this week trying to persuade him to join them at the Bernabeu.
"The two guys are there trying it and insisting," he laughed.
Isco said he had not spoken with Pellegrini since the Chilean coach was confirmed in his new post last Friday.
"No, I have not spoken with him," he said. "I saw about his signing on the internet, when it happened, but he has not called me. He is a great coach and I hope things go well for him in England. He did impressive work at Malaga, as he had at other clubs before. I am sure things will go well for him there."
The chance to work with Pellegrini again was one point to consider, but not the only factor in his choice, Isco said.
"It is true that I know Pellegrini, how he works and the two years I have been with him at Malaga have been fundamental for my career," he said. "It is a point in favour that we have been together and to know how he works, but nothing definitive."
Read more at http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/213715.html#xi17gHHXA0ceiiYE.99
To be fair though, we do play in a system that requires our wide men to track back and protect the fullback, having a slow winger is definitely not ideal for that. Can you imagine us getting continually exposed down his flank and being pulled off for someone quicker like Young.
You have to cater for the systems you play although we don't know how that will be under Moyes, it would explain why Fergie thought him too short of pace for us.
i hope isco is going to choose real if it is true city and real are the only 2 clubs going for him. he would be a fantastic addition to any team, and i really hope it is not going to be any other PL club unless he signs for us. the thought of aguero-tevez-navas-isco-yaya-fernandiho would be devastating.
how on earth spain keep on producing top class talents lately. with the success of de gea i just hope we would go for more spaniards now.
how on earth spain keep on producing top class talents lately. with the success of de gea i just hope we would go for more spaniards now.
If you've been watching him lately, you'd see that this hype is justified. He's stood out in every game he's player in the euro's so far, and he was fantastic all year for Malaga as well. He is capable of producing some outrageous pieces of skill, so of course he will be hyped up, and rightly so. He has the potential to be probably as good as Iniesta is right now, and you can't give much more praise than that.
He's been playing football in an amazing fashion for well over a year now....it's just now he is coming to the attention of every Tom, Dick and Harry who doesn't see a football world beyond the hyper-bubble that is the Premier League.
He definitely has done enough to warrant the attention, you perhaps just haven't been watching closely enough.
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